FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Uncle Rico]

Seems to me, that although Hanover is located at the southern end of Indiana, still, that is not an exessive long-distance trip. 

Not sure, d3db, but recollection was about 7hrs between Madison, IN and Mt. Pleasant (story attached to that bit of trivia for another time and place  ) - 8 (or 8.5 if not for "sloppy Toms") with a fowl, obligatory stop at Turkeyville, enroute. 

We have been tempted to take the Turkeyville exit many times on our way to Trine but have never done so.  What are we missing?  Is it to turkeys like Frankenmuth is to chicken?

[cave2bens]

A bit more "down on the farm" than Zehnder's or Bavarian Inn, Uncle R.  Plain and simple, but pretty decent food and good spot for a stretch before that last 35 minutes into scenic Steuben County.  www.turkeyville.com

[formerd3db]

That is interesting sflzman; Hanover's decision doesn't make sense - they must have their reasons.  Anyway, as far as potentially filling the open slot with a DII school, I have no problem with that - I've always been in favor of such (I won't reiterate the reasons as we've discussed all that here in the past many times).  As I mentioned, we'll keep on the "look out" for what Alma eventually schedules.

Cave2, Uncle R:
I've never been to Turkeyville either, although my wife has.  I've heard it is a great time.  Maybe we should all meet there sometime on the way to a game!   It is not far from Olivet i.e. "The Big O"!

[sflzman]

This Turkeyville sounds interesting...

I agree with you formerd3db, I would love to see a D2 team on the schedule...

[Raider 68]

sflzman,

What about North Coast Conference teams for Alma in 2012?

1. Wittenberg
2. Wabash
3. Allegheny
4. Wooster
5. Ohio Wesleyan
6. Denison
7. Kenyon
8. Oberlin
9. Hiram
10. DePauw

[formerd3db]

This Turkeyville sounds interesting...

I agree with you formerd3db, I would love to see a D2 team on the schedule...

As the others have mentioned, the turkey dinners and atmosphere is very enjoyable (so I've heard from my wife and others who have been there).  While it is open in the summer, I would think the in the fall is the best atmosphere (you, know, the fall "nostalgia" thing i.e. turkey in the fall) to go, although that is probably not the most opportune time for any of us to go with regards to the football season.  Unless, as I mentioned, some of us could meet for a quick dinner on the way home from one of the area games - who knows?!

Anyway, yes, as you know, Alma has played DII schools in the past (of course KWU last year, even though they are non-scholarship DII), but also Gannon, Tiffin as well and they usually have their final pre-season scrimmage against Northwood - the latter of which I think is a good thing to do and really prepares them for the season against DIII competition.  And in years "way back" they used to play Ferris State (similar to Hope playing a DII school on occasion "way back in my day" ). Some people here (on the d3boards, not necessarily our board) have not been in favor of this practice, in part, due to the powere rankings for the plahyoffs- although that pertains mainly to those schools who do not have the AQ.  For us in the MIAA, IMO, that doesn't matter because we do have the AQ and besides...it gives the players a neat opportunity to play against the "next level" of competition.  Just MO.

[sflzman]

former: I agree with you that d2 games are good, and I personally would try to put one on the schedule every year. As you know there were those countless games against CMU, MSU, EMU, and WMU back a LONG time ago, but the Northwood scrimmages have been more recent. The coaches opted out of Northwood last year because they didn't want Heidleberg to have access to any scouting reports or film...they went "secretly" to play North Park at Lakeshore High School and lost by a TD...

Raider68: I haven't seen schedules on most of the websites of the schools in region, and the ones I do see have all ten slots filled. But yes the North Coast is a possibility, the only thing that the coaches want to do is make sure it's an in-region game...

Another MIAA school playing up is the annual Home-and-Home for Albion with Butler, a 1-AA non-scholarship team...Even though it's non-scholarship, how would you like to be on a team that is D1 and have to go to a little D3 school for two of your four years (or even possibly 3/5)?

[formerd3db]

sflzman:

Regarding the Albion/Butler series, I think that is great.  Some people (critics ) on the various boards have argued that most of the DI-AA non-scholarship teams are essentially eqivalent to DIII teams and on occasion, some upper tier DIII teams.  While I think that is for the most part true, I disagree in that it is not always true.  There have been some years when some DI-AA teams have been what I would compare to as good as some of the lower tier DI-AA scholarship teams (a few years ago, Dayton beat Yale and also another example was Jim Harbaugh's last University of San Diego team).  I would conceed, however, that in the current era, those non-scholarship DI-AA (actually they are now classified as FCS  non-scholarship) are equivalent to DIII (at least in our greater region) and I believe a big part of that is due to the rise in DII schools offering scholarships.  Some current FCS non-scholarship schools have decided to return to scholarship football, such as Fordham, Bucknell and I believe that even Butler is now considering that move in its eventual future plans (as they've upgraded the Butler Bowl and from what I've heard "through the grapevine" from various sources).

I know that in the past, other MIAA teams have played (former) DI-AA teams incuding Hope, Alma and Olivet and I can tell you that in some of those years, those DI-AA teams were a step above most DIII teams - and in some other years they were not.  IMO, it all depends on the year, at least back then.  However, again, I think much of that has changed and we will now be seeing only an occasional FCS non-scholarship team (whether in the Pioneer League or not) being a truly step above DIII.  I think it can and will still happen on occasion, although not often.  Nonetheless, like playing DIII schools as we've been discussing, IMO, I certainly have no problem with scheduling an FCS non-scholarship team on occasion. In regards to the latter and your last paragraph in your previous post about what the Butler players might think about playing a DIII, I'm not sure.  Most likely, if they (Butler for example) are truly thinking of going to the "next level" the players might not be overly enthusiastic about playing a DIII team, however, they obviously don't have a say in that!  On the other hand, a program has to go through that transition period in its scheduling to get to that next leve - i.e. examples Central Florida, South Florida, etc.

Of course, I'm sure there will be some people on these boards that disagree with me on all of the above, however, that is MO and what I've personally observed in past years.

   

[Raider 68]

former: I agree with you that d2 games are good, and I personally would try to put one on the schedule every year. As you know there were those countless games against CMU, MSU, EMU, and WMU back a LONG time ago, but the Northwood scrimmages have been more recent. The coaches opted out of Northwood last year because they didn't want Heidleberg to have access to any scouting reports or film...they went "secretly" to play North Park at Lakeshore High School and lost by a TD...

Raider68: I haven't seen schedules on most of the websites of the schools in region, and the ones I do see have all ten slots filled. But yes the North Coast is a possibility, the only thing that the coaches want to do is make sure it's an in-region game...

Another MIAA school playing up is the annual Home-and-Home for Albion with Butler, a 1-AA non-scholarship team...Even though it's non-scholarship, how would you like to be on a team that is D1 and have to go to a little D3 school for two of your four years (or even possibly 3/5)?

sflzman,

Hope they look at the NCAC in the next few years, since it would be a good opportunity if the distance is not a problem!

[sflzman]

former: I agree with you that d2 games are good, and I personally would try to put one on the schedule every year. As you know there were those countless games against CMU, MSU, EMU, and WMU back a LONG time ago, but the Northwood scrimmages have been more recent. The coaches opted out of Northwood last year because they didn't want Heidleberg to have access to any scouting reports or film...they went "secretly" to play North Park at Lakeshore High School and lost by a TD...

Raider68: I haven't seen schedules on most of the websites of the schools in region, and the ones I do see have all ten slots filled. But yes the North Coast is a possibility, the only thing that the coaches want to do is make sure it's an in-region game...

Another MIAA school playing up is the annual Home-and-Home for Albion with Butler, a 1-AA non-scholarship team...Even though it's non-scholarship, how would you like to be on a team that is D1 and have to go to a little D3 school for two of your four years (or even possibly 3/5)?

sflzman,

Hope they look at the NCAC in the next few years, since it would be a good opportunity if the distance is not a problem!

Honestly I just hope we can get another game...I don't care it's at...

[Raider 68]

sac, formerd3db,

Will U of M land any top Rivals recruits, they could sure use some?

[sflzman]

Boo Michigan! They stole our jug!

[sac]

Boo Michigan! They stole our jug!

Someone needs a history lesson.

As Yost and the team came into Minneapolis, student manager Thomas B. Roberts was told to purchase something to carry water. Yost was somewhat concerned that Gopher fans might contaminate his water supply. Roberts purchased a five-gallon jug for 30¢ from a local variety store.

Twenty thousand fans watched the matchup between the two teams in an overflowing Northrop Field. Minnesota held the fabled "point-a-minute" squad to just one touchdown, but hadn't yet managed to score a touchdown of their own. Finally, late in the second half, the Gophers reached the endzone to tie the game at 6–6. As clouds from an impending storm hung overhead, pandemonium struck when Minnesota fans stormed the field in celebration. Eventually the game had to be called with two minutes remaining. The Wolverines walked off the field, leaving the jug behind in the locker room of the University of Minnesota Armory.[3]

The next day custodian Oscar Munson brought the jug to L. J. Cooke, head of the Minnesota athletics department, and declared in a thick Scandinavian accent: "Yost left his jug." Exactly how Munson came to possess the jug is a bit of a mystery. Some accounts say that Munson purposely stole the jug in the chaos that ended the game, although most believe it was accidentally left behind. Thomas Roberts, writing in 1956, stated that the jug had served its purpose, so he intentionally left it sitting on the field.


Still, Cooke and Munson were excited to have this little bit of memorabilia, proceeding to paint it brown (it had originally been putty-colored and currently is painted half blue, which is Michigan's color) and commemorate the day by writing "Michigan Jug – Captured by Oscar, October 31, 1903" on the side along with the score "Michigan 6, Minnesota 6". Of course, in the spirit of the moment, Minnesota's score was written many times larger than that of Michigan.

Later, Yost wanted the jug back, and sent a letter asking it to be returned. Cooke wrote in response: "We have your little brown jug; if you want it, you'll have to win it." Michigan did exactly that when the teams met up again in 1909, and repeated the performance in 1910. Minnesota and Michigan met up again in 1919 after Michigan rejoined the Big Ten Conference, marking the first year that Minnesota won the Jug outright.


It is quite cleary our jug and the history of scores doesn't dispell that either. 

[sac]

sac, formerd3db,

Will U of M land any top Rivals recruits, they could sure use some?

Depends on what you mean by top.

They weren't going to have a full class anyway, something like only 20 scholarships available.  They have a few 4-star kids..

Brennan Byer DE
Chris Bryant OL
Blake Countess DB
Justice Hayes RB
Raymon Taylor ATH

11 of the 17 are defensive players, which ya know Michigan might need a couple of those......and a Kicker.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/commitments/2011/michigan-29;_ylt=Ai09T.Vmoa7WA5LkIP1d1C1JPZB4

Justice Hayes is the only top 100 kid and not just because he has a sweet name.


Rivals has them #28 with only 17 kids, the fewest of anyone in their top 30 by far.  The thinking I've read is that they're only after 6 more kids, with 3 of them pretty likely UM commits and another a "feel good" he will commit, the other two "gravy"


Michigan returns 20 of 22 starters so it isn't like any of these Freshmen are absolute need to contribute right away guys.  I think the biggest positive from this class will be the rebuilding of depth on the defense.  4 or 5 of these guys may contribute next year, but they won't be playing 8 Fr. at a time on defense like like last year.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Boo Michigan! They stole our jug!

Someone needs a history lesson.

As Yost and the team came into Minneapolis, student manager Thomas B. Roberts was told to purchase something to carry water. Yost was somewhat concerned that Gopher fans might contaminate his water supply. Roberts purchased a five-gallon jug for 30¢ from a local variety store.

Twenty thousand fans watched the matchup between the two teams in an overflowing Northrop Field. Minnesota held the fabled "point-a-minute" squad to just one touchdown, but hadn't yet managed to score a touchdown of their own. Finally, late in the second half, the Gophers reached the endzone to tie the game at 6–6. As clouds from an impending storm hung overhead, pandemonium struck when Minnesota fans stormed the field in celebration. Eventually the game had to be called with two minutes remaining. The Wolverines walked off the field, leaving the jug behind in the locker room of the University of Minnesota Armory.[3]

The next day custodian Oscar Munson brought the jug to L. J. Cooke, head of the Minnesota athletics department, and declared in a thick Scandinavian accent: "Yost left his jug." Exactly how Munson came to possess the jug is a bit of a mystery. Some accounts say that Munson purposely stole the jug in the chaos that ended the game, although most believe it was accidentally left behind. Thomas Roberts, writing in 1956, stated that the jug had served its purpose, so he intentionally left it sitting on the field.


Still, Cooke and Munson were excited to have this little bit of memorabilia, proceeding to paint it brown (it had originally been putty-colored and currently is painted half blue, which is Michigan's color) and commemorate the day by writing "Michigan Jug – Captured by Oscar, October 31, 1903" on the side along with the score "Michigan 6, Minnesota 6". Of course, in the spirit of the moment, Minnesota's score was written many times larger than that of Michigan.

Later, Yost wanted the jug back, and sent a letter asking it to be returned. Cooke wrote in response: "We have your little brown jug; if you want it, you'll have to win it." Michigan did exactly that when the teams met up again in 1909, and repeated the performance in 1910. Minnesota and Michigan met up again in 1919 after Michigan rejoined the Big Ten Conference, marking the first year that Minnesota won the Jug outright.


It is quite cleary our jug and the history of scores doesn't dispell that either. 

Now be fair, sac.  Just because WE paid the 30 cents for it, and have won it over 70% of the time, doesn't mean it is ours.

Right.