FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[ThunderHead]

UR - I see your point, and yet the NFL is chalked full of guys who have finished at a school other then the one they started. Sometimes kids leave because the program isn't for them, or they just don't feel like they fit. Other times they just don't like the coaches or campus. In my experience its rare for akid to leave because of the depth chart, often its far more complicated then that.

I agree 100%...kids leave for a bunch of reasons, and many of them are legit.  My statement "Let them leave if they do not want to put the time in" was only referring to those kids that think they should have certain positions given to them based on their past laurels and what THEY think their capabilities are. 

Then in that case, I agree with you 100% 

[BOYA87]

Like I said in an earlier post I wish each unit had a leader to "punch them in the face" (not literally) if guys weren't "all in" together as a team.

I disagree, It is ok and even necessary for the leadership to quite literally PUNCH them in the face!  I can remember as a player having fights between the defense and offense several times during camp and then maybe even another time or two throughout the year!  that fire, passion, and competition is what makes football so great!  I think that kind of mutual desire to compete on the practice field and to not be beatin is something that builds a great amount of team respect and commrodery.  It made the team stronger as a unit.

TH-

I think its no secrect of who you are refering to and perhaps with your connections you may know of a certain player who is thinking about leaving.  My opinion on that is that if they dont want to be here then let them leave.  However your posts somewhat contradict themselves as far as the reasons people leave.  You have obviously shown displeasure with the coaching staff and the playing time for a certain player and you are now imply that said player may want to leave because of it.  This sounds like it is directly correlated to playing time.

I hope certain players dont leave, especially when they show a lot of promise, both talent and leadership wise.  But if it is a player that can't handle the wait or cant respect the path of earning a position rather than having a position given out of defult, then maybe they arent a player we want.  Because when things get tough in a game that is going to be the first kid to jump ship!

I had the rare opportunity to start for 4 years at Trine University but what a lot of people dont know about me is that my starting spot was replaced every single season by a more athletic, explosive player.  I look back on my career and smile big because I never once stopped working, learning, and growing.  I made it so that the coaches couldnt afford to not have me on the field.  I played every position on the entire offense (minus o-line, but including QB if you count revers passes).  I earned every practice rep and every saturday snap!  Theres an attitude and sense of entitlement with youth anymore and it has created a generation of quiters and whinners.

Thats just my opinion...toughin up, and start earning what you get!

[D306]

Good discussion re Trine

I am traveling today and have the USA Today newspaper in the Lobby while waiting for shuttle bus to Airport.

Great article about DIII footbal in Wisconsin in particular
Nice detail about reasons and family feel of DIII in Wisconsin in particular

[ThunderHead]

Boya,

Actually I don't get the chance to speak to Blackport, and I've never met his parents, as I haven't been to but one Trine game. As I've mentioned before I've seen him throw before at some FCA stuff, and once in Holland. Leaning on my background as a coach, I thought he was lights out. He was also incredibly nice to myself and my son. Thus he has a fan in me.  I don't have any insight into what he himself is doing. As a Trine fan I hope he stays, not just because I think he's a solid QB, but also because he seems to be a great kid, and there aren't enough of those anymore.

However regarding your "assumptions" on the attrition, I'm referring to a few parents who I do know well that have kids on the team for more then one year that are quite positive they're leaving. Though it makes sense for people to be defensive and say "well were better off without those type of kids" I don't think it's fair to assume that everything is always about playing time. In each of these cases, it's not about playing time, it's about the way the staff has handled things, and to that point. So while you may think "they can't handle things" maybe it has less to do with the kid and more to do with other things. Then again, maybe they're not happy being a part of a program that's just slightly above middle of the pack in the MIAA. Who knows....

As far as me speaking about the different situations regarding transfers, I was speaking from a standpoint of my coaching days, and why kids I have known have both transferred out, and transferred in.

[BOYA87]

If they have played at Trine for a couple of years than they have been a part of an ELITE TEAM IN THE NATION!  it has only been this year that they have been an average MIAA team.  If having a season like this is enough to make a kid question wanting to play for a program then I say "nice to know ya" and send them on their way!  We want kids that are going to come in and work.  Not kids who want to come in and just have rings given to them for standing on the sideline.

I busted my ass off for 4 years to have the chance to win one ring.  I dont have much sympathy for some of these kids who have 3 rings and now want to complain because somehow things arent magically going our way.  Nothing is given in this world, you have to earn it!  and even then sometimes its not enough.

Just a little sick and tired of hearing mumbles and grumbles about a coaching staff that raised a program from the dead!  I am sorry we arent undefeated and competing for a national championship this year, but if you walk up to any DIII president and say "hey we are going to bring this coach in, he will win 3 conference titles in a row, produce a Gagliardi Trophy Winner, but that 4th year hes going to lose a few games"  I cant imagine many will decline that offer let alone bend over backwards to get that coach as party of their program!

Keep working hard Coach Land and staff!

[ThunderHead]

Boya,

"your sick of hearing mumbles and grumbles about the coaching staff"? - well, I don't know of any football program in the country that doesn't deal with that, at any level. 

[BOYA87]

Touche,

but Trine fans will respect what these coaches have done for this team and this program.  it is the fair weather fans that are the ones calling for peoples heads after one loss or after one season. 

I am a Notre Dame fan and although I have disagreed with some of their coaching hires in the past I am also a reasonable football fan and realize that coaches need their time to develop their programs.  A lot of those coaches probably got axed before they had that full opportunity because of the pressures of the job.

All Im saying is I wish there were more reasonable football fans out there rather than emotional football fans (ones that purely make their decisions based on feeling and recent events)

[adidas28]

BOYA87,

I have been a fan of your since your playing days and I agree with what you are saying 100%. Thunderhead is NOT a fan of the Trine Thunder, he is a fan a player or two or their parents. I know he is going to reply that he coached at the D1 level , and recruited at the D2 level, and actually had a hand in the birth of Christ and he know everything about football from the inner workings of Spygate with the Patriots to what Terrell owens eats at bed time but he is not a fan. Oh, and he'll add smiley faces too just so we don't think poorly of him.

Your right BOYA this staff turned around a program that had been left for dead and has generated the type of excitement that only the elite programs in the country expereience. Sure, everyone wants to be undefeated every year, it's just not going to happen. This team lost not only a talented group of Seniors but they were also leaders as were the previous championship teams. These kids need time to develope that leadership, and they will. They also had some coaching changes, as well as injuries. Yes, everyone has some armchair QB in him and will always say I would do this or that different. That is part of the being a fan. I, like you, diasagree with the fair weather fan that wants to blow up everything after an 8-2 or 7-3 season and start from scratch.

That's my two cents worth.

[Uncle Rico]

I am predicting ThunderStorms right about now....

[ThunderHead]

BOYA87,

I have been a fan of your since your playing days and I agree with what you are saying 100%. Thunderhead is NOT a fan of the Trine Thunder, he is a fan a player or two or their parents. I know he is going to reply that he coached at the D1 level , and recruited at the D2 level, and actually had a hand in the birth of Christ and he know everything about football from the inner workings of Spygate with the Patriots to what Terrell owens eats at bed time but he is not a fan. Oh, and he'll add smiley faces too just so we don't think poorly of him.

Your right BOYA this staff turned around a program that had been left for dead and has generated the type of excitement that only the elite programs in the country expereience. Sure, everyone wants to be undefeated every year, it's just not going to happen. This team lost not only a talented group of Seniors but they were also leaders as were the previous championship teams. These kids need time to develope that leadership, and they will. They also had some coaching changes, as well as injuries. Yes, everyone has some armchair QB in him and will always say I would do this or that different. That is part of the being a fan. I, like you, diasagree with the fair weather fan that wants to blow up everything after an 8-2 or 7-3 season and start from scratch.

That's my two cents worth.

Seriously though, good analysis, you always bring well though out points to the board, and your so darn clever...I'd like to reply, but I'm honestly confused.

So I'm NOT a fan, but I am a "fan"? I'm a "player" or I'm "two players" or I'm "a parent"? Interesting - so by deduction according to your post, here is what I am NOT based on what you think I AM, I'm not a non-football loving person (fan) I'm not a non-ex or current football player (player) I am not one person (a player or two) and I'm not someone who doesn't have kids (their parents), I bet your not real good at the "who done-it" type of games are you buddy. But again, nice analysis, as always, your anything but accurate. (oh, and here is your smiley face so you think well of me. Just in case the above were not enough for you.) 

[TUAngola]

I am predicting ThunderStorms right about now....

...that made me laugh!

What Trine is missing the most this year, in my own "non-coach, non-former player" opinion, is "intensity".  Maybe this is why the coaching staff is shaking things up by selecting new captains.  Going back to that very first scrimmage against St Francis, this is one of the things I noticed about this years group.  Boya was there, he observed the same thing and made it known verbally to the team by giving them heck from the stands.  Well, the fire just hasn't been there this year and that mojo is going to be hard to get back for the remainder of the games.  There also doesn't seem to be the comraderie (sp) of the guys from what I've witnessed in prior years teams.  The difference in attitude from the players on the sidelines and field from the Trine/Hope game were as different as night and day.  I could hear the Hope players yelling and exhorting their guys moreso than the Trine guys who were only a few yards away from the stands.

Yes Boya, I agree that maybe a literal "punch in the face" is what the guys need right now. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

I am predicting ThunderStorms right about now....

...that made me laugh!

What Trine is missing the most this year, in my own "non-coach, non-former player" opinion, is "intensity".  Maybe this is why the coaching staff is shaking things up by selecting new captains.  Going back to that very first scrimmage against St Francis, this is one of the things I noticed about this years group.  Boya was there, he observed the same thing and made it known verbally to the team by giving them heck from the stands.  Well, the fire just hasn't been there this year and that mojo is going to be hard to get back for the remainder of the games.  There also doesn't seem to be the comraderie (sp) of the guys from what I've witnessed in prior years teams.  The difference in attitude from the players on the sidelines and field from the Trine/Hope game were as different as night and day.  I could hear the Hope players yelling and exhorting their guys moreso than the Trine guys who were only a few yards away from the stands.

Yes Boya, I agree that maybe a literal "punch in the face" is what the guys need right now. 

Just be sure it is to your own teammate, not an opponent.  You wouldn't want to end up as Will Gholston (or Woody Hayes)!

[ThunderHead]

or these clowns...right mr. ypsi. 

http://www.youtube.com/v/zPYueAc5XAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEFvus0rGs8

[Uncle Rico]

or these clowns...right mr. ypsi. 

http://www.youtube.com/v/zPYueAc5XAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEFvus0rGs8

Since we like to play with videos....Compare and contrast....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b53VBwWLCPI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM18sAZRnIU&feature=related

I must admit that Bo would probably have been pissed with Denard for that....

[adidas28]

BOYA87,

I have been a fan of your since your playing days and I agree with what you are saying 100%. Thunderhead is NOT a fan of the Trine Thunder, he is a fan a player or two or their parents. I know he is going to reply that he coached at the D1 level , and recruited at the D2 level, and actually had a hand in the birth of Christ and he know everything about football from the inner workings of Spygate with the Patriots to what Terrell owens eats at bed time but he is not a fan. Oh, and he'll add smiley faces too just so we don't think poorly of him.

Your right BOYA this staff turned around a program that had been left for dead and has generated the type of excitement that only the elite programs in the country expereience. Sure, everyone wants to be undefeated every year, it's just not going to happen. This team lost not only a talented group of Seniors but they were also leaders as were the previous championship teams. These kids need time to develope that leadership, and they will. They also had some coaching changes, as well as injuries. Yes, everyone has some armchair QB in him and will always say I would do this or that different. That is part of the being a fan. I, like you, diasagree with the fair weather fan that wants to blow up everything after an 8-2 or 7-3 season and start from scratch.

That's my two cents worth.

Seriously though, good analysis, you always bring well though out points to the board, and your so darn clever...I'd like to reply, but I'm honestly confused.

So I'm NOT a fan, but I am a "fan"? I'm a "player" or I'm "two players" or I'm "a parent"? Interesting - so by deduction according to your post, here is what I am NOT based on what you think I AM, I'm not a non-football loving person (fan) I'm not a non-ex or current football player (player) I am not one person (a player or two) and I'm not someone who doesn't have kids (their parents), I bet your not real good at the "who done-it" type of games are you buddy. But again, nice analysis, as always, your anything but accurate. (oh, and here is your smiley face so you think well of me. Just in case the above were not enough for you.) 

Yeah I probably should have proof read that huh? I really hope that doesn't hurt my karma. It should have read:

He is a fan of a player or two (not the program), or friends with their parents. I should have just added the smiley face with the really big smile and then everything is forgiven tight?