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[Uncle Rico]

I was just looking at the Albion stats verse Depauw, was there a reason that Orr and Krauss didn't play?  Injuries?  That clearly had a huge effect on the offense with Albion putting up 3 points.  Will they be playing on Saturday/ the playoff's I wonder?

I was wondering the same thing....

[Uncle Rico]

Not to go against the grain, but I've already stated this, so I might as well stick by it, I think Albion wins a close one. Home field, a conference championship on the line, ect...plus Trine's inability to really contain scat backs, I think Orr has a big day and leads Albion to a win.

Albion already has the playoff qualifier locked up.  Where was Orr last week?  I think Trine's run defense has done fairly well overall.  According to the stats, they have given up an average of 3.3 yards per carry (328 carries for 1097 yards).  I like Trine better against a running team than a passing team. 

River Falls ran the ball 53 times to average a little over 5 yards per carry, but other than that no team has racked up big rushing numbers against Trine. 

Trine gave up 163 yards against LaGrange, but they ran the ball 47 times for a 3.5 average.  Adrian ran 32 times for 59 yards.  Hope ran 41 times to get 148 yards.   

[ThunderHead]

UR - by saying scat back, I'm thinking of a specific type of running back vs the 4 front of Trine.

If Orr and Krauss play, I think they could have good numbers againts Trine, time will tell.

[Uncle Rico]

UR - by saying scat back, I'm thinking of a specific type of running back vs the 4 front of Trine.

If Orr and Krauss play, I think they could have good numbers againts Trine, time will tell.

I know what that is, I just don't know during what game you saw that weakness unless you think that is a flaw of the defensive scheme in general.

[ThunderHead]

UR - I think it's a flaw of the scheme in general, and the only reason I pointed out "scat back" was because you listed a few schools that don't run with a scat back, although statically giving up 3.3 yards per carry on the year put's you at a very makeable 4th and .01 - so that was my other point.

I know that's a slightly an unrealistic way to look at, but I remember in high school playing for a coach who always stressed "3 yards and a cloud of dust" - uhg....so more then a few coaches go by that system of thought when they look at that stats...

I agree with you about Trine being better suited to stop the run then the pass, and there is no doubt Trine's pass defense is anything but intimidating, I just think if Krauss is on, then Orr can have a good day as well. And if Krauss isn't on, then I think Orr is the type of back that Trine will struggle with and could have a good day anyway.

It should be interesting, Albion playing for a chance to wrap up a conference championship, and Trine playing for nothing other then pride. 

[Uncle Rico]

UR - I think it's a flaw of the scheme in general, and the only reason I pointed out "scat back" was because you listed a few schools that don't run with a scat back, although statically giving up 3.3 yards per carry on the year put's you at a very makeable 4th and .01 - so that was my other point.

I know that's a slightly an unrealistic way to look at, but I remember in high school playing for a coach who always stressed "3 yards and a cloud of dust" - uhg....so more then a few coaches go by that system of thought when they look at that stats...

I agree with you about Trine being better suited to stop the run then the pass, and there is no doubt Trine's pass defense is anything but intimidating, I just think if Krauss is on, then Orr can have a good day as well. And if Krauss isn't on, then I think Orr is the type of back that Trine will struggle with and good have a good day anyway.

It should be interesting, Albion playing for a chance to wrap up a conference championship, and Trine playing for nothing other then pride.

Which teams did they play that I did not list had a scat back running back?  Because even the ones I did NOT list did not do all that well either.  Manchester had 3.2, Bluffton 2.4, Alma 2.6, Olivet 3.5, and Kzoo 2.6.  But I will also concede that none of the teams played so far had a Clinton Orr quality back and I believe he will probably get some decent numbers compared to other teams. 

Averaging 3 yards and a cloud of dust won't help if you gain 15 on the first play, and 0 yards on the next 4.       

[ThunderHead]

UR - I think it's a flaw of the scheme in general, and the only reason I pointed out "scat back" was because you listed a few schools that don't run with a scat back, although statically giving up 3.3 yards per carry on the year put's you at a very makeable 4th and .01 - so that was my other point.

I know that's a slightly an unrealistic way to look at, but I remember in high school playing for a coach who always stressed "3 yards and a cloud of dust" - uhg....so more then a few coaches go by that system of thought when they look at that stats...

I agree with you about Trine being better suited to stop the run then the pass, and there is no doubt Trine's pass defense is anything but intimidating, I just think if Krauss is on, then Orr can have a good day as well. And if Krauss isn't on, then I think Orr is the type of back that Trine will struggle with and good have a good day anyway.

It should be interesting, Albion playing for a chance to wrap up a conference championship, and Trine playing for nothing other then pride.

Which teams did they play that I did not list had a scat back running back?  Because even the ones I did NOT list did not do all that well either.  Manchester had 3.2, Bluffton 2.4, Alma 2.6, Olivet 3.5, and Kzoo 2.6.  But I will also concede that none of the teams played so far had a Clinton Orr quality back and I believe he will probably get some decent numbers compared to other teams. 

Averaging 3 yards and a cloud of dust won't help if you gain 15 on the first play, and 0 yards on the next 4.       

Oh I agree - thus my  face. I don't think it's a good way to put together a game plan, that's for sure. Yet some coaches do exactly that.

I think at times, when Trine's given up plays it's been to scat back type of athletes. I thought Jackson from Hope did a nice job, and the back from Kzoo had some very good runs when he was in. Trine is more likely to give up big yards to a scat back vs a power back. That was kinda my point. I think, given the talent that Orr is, and him as a featured back, will present problems for Trine.

If they load the box, I think Krauss is good enough to take advantage of that. That's why I think Albion wins this game.

[sac]

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[Mr. Ypsi]

don't even know how to introduce this one, but here it it...

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Thanks for the link, sac.  +k

With apologies to poets everywhere:

Except for Bo,
My fave was Joe.
But we all know
It's time to go.

R.I.P., reputation of Joe Paterno.

[hopewatcher]

I think many of you hit the nail on the head...The result of the Albion-Trine game will depend greatly on if or how much Orr and Krause play...and the options are farly broad on that topic...Given they already have the league championship and AQ locked up (although there may be some pride attached to the possibility if being co-champ), an argument could be made to hold Orr and Krause out, particularly if they were held out of the Depauw game due to injury...Obviously having them healthy would greatly improve their chances in round 1....I don't know why they didn't play...I do know Orr's playing time earlier due some injury issues...I also saw he only carried the ball 5 times in the 2nd half against Adrian (one in the 4th quarter), after carrying it 20+ times in the 1st half...I have no clue why Krause didn't play......But, although I think Trine is capable of pulling off the upset (is it really an upset when a 7-2 team beats a 5-4 team?), I think it will be much tougher with Orr and Krause healthy and playing the full game.....Orr, when at full speed is a really good player...a game changer.....and, obviously, having your starting QB matters alot....so, ultimately, like I always say about the Hope games....It depends on who shows up to play...and who gets it done......Obviously, Hope fans are hoping Trine can get it done....

Meanwhile, we're hoping that the Dutchmen get it done....Hope is capable of competing to beat anybody in the conference...they've proven that...they've also proven they can lose focus, make mistakes, and allow opponents to stay in a game......Saturday they cannot allow that to happen....they cannot look past or underestimate Olivet....they've invested an awful lot in this turnaround season.....learing how to win as a team again....So, Saturday they need to finish what they started......get it done....right from the beginning.....setting the stage for a potential co-championship, a productive off season and a fruitful 2012 season.....Go Hope!

   

[hopewatcher]

Formerd3db (and others)....sorry we didn't get caught up this last Saturday...or previously.....I tend to be a little tough to be around before and during the games, and am usually with the family catching up with my son on the field afterward.....but, I will make a better attempt as we go forward....I've really enjoyed all of you, or comments and insight....this board is great......Its going to be a great weekend for football and some fun games to watch......

[hopewatcher]

Also...Not to dominate the posting...am pretty excited about moving up off the JV to second stringer.   

[ThunderHead]

I think many of you hit the nail on the head...The result of the Albion-Trine game will depend greatly on if or how much Orr and Krause play...and the options are farly broad on that topic...Given they already have the league championship and AQ locked up (although there may be some pride attached to the possibility if being co-champ), an argument could be made to hold Orr and Krause out, particularly if they were held out of the Depauw game due to injury...Obviously having them healthy would greatly improve their chances in round 1....I don't know why they didn't play...I do know Orr's playing time earlier due some injury issues...I also saw he only carried the ball 5 times in the 2nd half against Adrian (one in the 4th quarter), after carrying it 20+ times in the 1st half...I have no clue why Krause didn't play......But, although I think Trine is capable of pulling off the upset (is it really an upset when a 7-2 team beats a 5-4 team?), I think it will be much tougher with Orr and Krause healthy and playing the full game.....Orr, when at full speed is a really good player...a game changer.....and, obviously, having your starting QB matters alot....so, ultimately, like I always say about the Hope games....It depends on who shows up to play...and who gets it done......Obviously, Hope fans are hoping Trine can get it done....

Meanwhile, we're hoping that the Dutchmen get it done....Hope is capable of competing to beat anybody in the conference...they've proven that...they've also proven they can lose focus, make mistakes, and allow opponents to stay in a game......Saturday they cannot allow that to happen....they cannot look past or underestimate Olivet....they've invested an awful lot in this turnaround season.....learing how to win as a team again....So, Saturday they need to finish what they started......get it done....right from the beginning.....setting the stage for a potential co-championship, a productive off season and a fruitful 2012 season.....Go Hope!

   

I am very sure that had Trine played Albions non-conference schedule, they would be 5-4 as well. I don't see Trine beating Wheaton or Butler. I say this as a credit to Albion, props for going after a tough non-conference schedule, it appears it served its purpose.

[ACMIAAD3]

Just curious if anyone out there believes that  Coach Cole is done at Alma after this year. Whether he resigns or is fired. The rumor I heard was that the AD convinced the President of the college to allow him to continue this year. Just curious as to other opinions.

[Raider 68]

Just curious if anyone out there believes that  Coach Cole is done at Alma after this year. Whether he resigns or is fired. The rumor I heard was that the AD convinced the President of the college to allow him to continue this year. Just curious as to other opinions.

sflzman.

Have any word of this?