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Olivet College (DIII - MI): Former Grand Rapids Catholic Central head coach Tim Rogers has been named the new defensive coordinator at Olivet

Interesting.  He certainly has come full circle; Kalamazoo, to Cornell (Ivy League), DePauw, GRCC and now back to the MIAA with Olivet.  Although he's had some controversies at each stop, hopefully, this he will be able to help Olivet.  Olivet's new HC Pfifer is assembling his staff - this is 3 new coaches now.  I wonder how many from the previous staff will be retained (with regard to those who are in full-time positions at the college in additon to their coaching duties).  I'm sure we'll find out soon. 

[ThunderHead]

I suspect a couple of those PSU coaches will join Pitt's new staff.  Paul Chryst has taken a couple more Wisconsin coaches with him to Pitt, so Bielema has some vacancies to fill as well.

Also a strange rumor that Pat Narduzzi is being offered huge money to go down to Texas A&M.  Money that Michigan State probably can't WILL match.


It would seem like it would be pretty easy for Tom Bradley to land on his feet somewhere is he's not retained at Penn State.

Fixed it for you sac.  In all seriousness MSU is committed to football success and is finally shelling out the $$$ to make that happen. Look for Duzzi to stay Green, and make some too. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

I suspect a couple of those PSU coaches will join Pitt's new staff.  Paul Chryst has taken a couple more Wisconsin coaches with him to Pitt, so Bielema has some vacancies to fill as well.

Also a strange rumor that Pat Narduzzi is being offered huge money to go down to Texas A&M.  Money that Michigan State probably can't WILL match.


It would seem like it would be pretty easy for Tom Bradley to land on his feet somewhere is he's not retained at Penn State.

Fixed it for you sac.  In all seriousness MSU is committed to football success and is finally shelling out the $$$ to make that happen. Look for Duzzi to stay Green, and make some too. 

Should we UM fans go like St John's fans who spell St. Thomas U$T?  From now on it is M$U!

[sac]

I suspect a couple of those PSU coaches will join Pitt's new staff.  Paul Chryst has taken a couple more Wisconsin coaches with him to Pitt, so Bielema has some vacancies to fill as well.

Also a strange rumor that Pat Narduzzi is being offered huge money to go down to Texas A&M.  Money that Michigan State probably can't WILL match.


It would seem like it would be pretty easy for Tom Bradley to land on his feet somewhere is he's not retained at Penn State.

Fixed it for you sac.  In all seriousness MSU is committed to football success and is finally shelling out the $$$ to make that happen. Look for Duzzi to stay Green, and make some too. 

He's not getting paid the 1.5 million it was rumored TAM was offering which is just insane on top of insane. 

[ThunderHead]

I suspect a couple of those PSU coaches will join Pitt's new staff.  Paul Chryst has taken a couple more Wisconsin coaches with him to Pitt, so Bielema has some vacancies to fill as well.

Also a strange rumor that Pat Narduzzi is being offered huge money to go down to Texas A&M.  Money that Michigan State probably can't WILL match.


It would seem like it would be pretty easy for Tom Bradley to land on his feet somewhere is he's not retained at Penn State.

Fixed it for you sac.  In all seriousness MSU is committed to football success and is finally shelling out the $$$ to make that happen. Look for Duzzi to stay Green, and make some too. 

Should we UM fans go like St John's fans who spell St. Thomas U$T?  From now on it is M$U!

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Common now Mr. Ypsi - you know darn well that what you're paying your assistants at U of M doesn't give you any room to talk. 

And I don't know the details of Duzzi's offer, however I do know that it is "sufficient" and the entire staff will be getting fairly significant pay increases as well. It also makes sense for Duzzi to come back into a defense that should be top-notch (even with Worthy leaving early) as he is working toward a HC job of his own. (sustained success versus starting over at A&M) Although I get the fact that 1.5M is more money then a lot of head coaches make, there is nothing like running your own show. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Don't know about the other UM assistants, but I have seen that Greg Mattison is paid nearly twice what Bo ever got!  Sports salaries are going totally insane - but I guess if you wanna keep up with the Joneses (read: SEC) ...

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Thunderhead:
I'll jump in here to the discussion, if I may. I'm sorry, but IMO, no assistant coach is worth that kind of $ (I'm assuming that you are agreeing with me/the others. ).  Not when people who work their arses off all their lives, have far more responsibilities and risks/liabilities and make a fraction of that ever.  So I have to agree with sac and Mr. Ypsi - that is insane and, unfortunately, that is a corruption that many of the DI schools have created. Yeah, I know, you are going to say that..."that is just the system", however, while that is true, no one can argue that it is absurd in the true realm of what is most important in life.  As much as you and I love football and have been coaches, I can't but think that deep down you also agree that for some assistant coach to be making that kind of $, when professors are being paid a "measley" 60k, is just not right.  But...as you and I know, that is just the way it is and no one is going to change it.  And, of course, the other side to that arguement is the comparision to Wall Street and all the greedy CEO's making millions - yeah, it's the system, it's unfair and doesn't make it right, but...that's just the way it is.    

A friend of mine, whose brother has been a DI assistant coach for 22+ years, was at a Big Ten school (I won't mention which one other than to say it was not either of those in our state here); he was making about $66,000 per year and was offered 3 times that per year at a then (hint, hint) Big 12 school. He did not want to leave the Big Ten school he was at, however, the HC there told him that while he didn't want him to leave either, he would be crazy if he didn't.  He took the opportunity, made the $ and then they (the staff) were fired after about 4 years, so I can't blame him for taking the opportunity.  However, that is far different than someone getting 1.5 million per year to be a coordinator.  As has been said, that is insane, but it's not going to stop.  Anyway, that's my opinion

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Thunderhead:
I'll jump in here to the discussion, if I may. I'm sorry, but IMO, no assistant coach is worth that kind of $ (I'm assuming that you are agreeing with me/the others. ).  Not when people who work their arses off all their lives, have far more responsibilities and risks/liabilities and make a fraction of that ever.  So I have to agree with sac and Mr. Ypsi - that is insane and, unfortunately, that is a corruption that many of the DI schools have created. Yeah, I know, you are going to say that..."that is just the system", however, while that is true, no one can argue that it is absurd in the true realm of what is most important in life.  As much as you and I love football and have been coaches, I can't but think that deep down you also agree that for some assistant coach to be making that kind of $, when professors are being paid a "measley" 60k, is just not right.  But...as you and I know, that is just the way it is and no one is going to change it.  And, of course, the other side to that arguement is the comparision to Wall Street and all the greedy CEO's making millions - yeah, it's the system, it's unfair and doesn't make it right, but...that's just the way it is.    

A friend of mine, whose brother has been a DI assistant coach for 22+ years, was at a Big Ten school (I won't mention which one other than to say it was not either of those in our state here); he was making about $66,000 per year and was offered 3 times that per year at a then (hint, hint) Big 12 school. He did not want to leave the Big Ten school he was at, however, the HC there told him that while he didn't want him to leave either, he would be crazy if he didn't.  He took the opportunity, made the $ and then they (the staff) were fired after about 4 years, so I can't blame him for taking the opportunity.  However, that is far different than someone getting 1.5 million per year to be a coordinator.  As has been said, that is insane, but it's not going to stop.  Anyway, that's my opinion

Is your argument or disapproval of salary an issue you have with the coaches, administration, or fans? (for buying the stuff, spending the money at the games, and watching it on TV, supporting the TV revenue)

[Mr. Ypsi]

TH, I won't presume to speak for formerd3db, but in my case it is (admittedly!) partially sheer envy, but also lamenting how much unfettered 'free enterprise' has skewed value.  I find it distasteful that coaches (and pro athletes and entertainers) make 10-100 times as much as cops, firefighters, teachers, etc.  (Though at least they entertain; some of the folks who crashed the whole friggin' economy make 1,000 times as much as cops, etc., and 10,000 times as much as now laid-off cops, etc. )

[RuleBritannia]

I think the thing people overlook when talking about coaching salaries (or player salaries in the pros), is that it has little to nothing to do with what's fair or just. In fact, I'm not sure if I've ever heard the beneficiary of this money arguing that it was so, (other than in relative terms compared to other players, coaches, but not the system as a whole). However, it doesn't matter, coaches will be played what the market can bare. Universities want to get bigger, have more money, do more. They do that by increasing applications, allowing them to be bigger, or my highly selective, or both. One of the chief ways universities accomplish this is by having large, successful athletic programs. Few athletic programs make money, only a handful even break even. In "big money sports" most athletic programs lose money, but universities feel the exposure they get through them justifies the cost, and the cost of having a large and most critically "successful"  athletic program is through hiring top notch coaches and getting top notch coaches involves paying them top dollar. It's all about the market. I think the only way to stop something like that is either the law of diminishing returns will slow down the inflation pressures, as paying 2 million for your D-coordinator gets you increasingly marginally improved results versus paying them 1.5 million, OR, the NCAA imposes limits on salaries for coaches.

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Excellent points all (TH, Mr. Ypsi, RuleBritannia).  And I admit, I feel the same way as Mr. Ypsi.  Indeed, we all know that the system is not fair (much in life is not and we weren't promised that ) and is driven by the market.  The fact that most universities/colleges lose $ on their athletic programs is more reason to cut back/control the salaries rather than continued escalation - the same exact problem we have now/are facing because of our government/Congress and Executive branch.  Of course we know that fans pay the ticket prices - they have to in order to go see/enjoy the games of a sport they love.  The option of having the NCAA impose limits on salaries is a viable idea, however, you would then have more people screaming at that organization because of too much control (in many situations that is true and I am among many who do not agree with a large number of policies the NCAA has and/or how they oversee those ) as well as the fact that it would not be legal.  The one good thing about all this $ is that the major networks that provide the funding (from the basketball tourney) to sponsor all the national championships for the NCAA sports at all the levels.  Yet, overall, the bottom line is just as you said- it is all about the market and we all know that's what is necessary for free enterprise/capitalism system we have in our country.  It does have its drawbacks and has to have some regualtion to a degree.

Yet, I guess, with the system in place, who can blame coaches for going seeking/taking such outrageous salaries if they can get those/i.e. those are offered.  But, that also brings me back to my earlier point...how much is not enough? Those like Saban are set for life with even just one of those contracts and he's had several.   Which brings up another topic, albeti tangent - when T.O. (T. Owens) was crying about not making enough $ to feed his family.  Now that he spent all his $ and is out of football, I guess all the rest of us will now really be supporting him on food stamps. (Sorry, but I just had to throw that one in there, although I have no sympathy for T.O. as he is totally responsible for his own problems. ).   

So you see, this is a relevent discussion because our young people need to know that the debates on economy/free market systems and capitalism affects just another aspect of our/their lives i.e. sports.

[sac]

No football coach should be paid more than the President of the University, or be the highest paid state employee.  It's massively out of whack.

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No football coach should be paid more than the President of the University, or be the highest paid state employee.  It's massively out of whack.

sac,

I strongly agree, but we know in so many cases that is not so!

[Mr. Ypsi]

No football coach should be paid more than the President of the University, or be the highest paid state employee.  It's massively out of whack.

sac,

I strongly agree, but we know in so many cases that is not so!

OSU President Gordan Gee inadvertently illustrated the problem.  When asked if he would fire Tressel, he infamously responded: "Are you kidding?!  I just hope he doesn't dismiss me."

[Raider 68]

No football coach should be paid more than the President of the University, or be the highest paid state employee.  It's massively out of whack.

sac,

I strongly agree, but we know in so many cases that is not so!

OSU President Gordan Gee inadvertently illustrated the problem.  When asked if he would fire Tressel, he infamously responded: "Are you kidding?!  I just hope he doesn't dismiss me."

Mr. Ypsi,

Gee and the OSU athletic Smith should have been removed. Tressel departure should have happen, but those guys deserved it as well, IMHO!