FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[NCF]

See regarding population, I was told that Alma topped off at the 20,000+ back in it's hay day. At this last census we barely cleared the 8 grand mark. I also know the enrollment at the local high school is only 650ish so there's not exactly a ton of kids coming up either...

Basketball needs that boost, but with the energy and how the team was playing this year, I think hargraves is going to get people in seats and get this program more well known. Especially with next year's tri valley conference alumn greg silverthorn leading the charge (shepherd) along with a talented big from swan valley (also in tvc) that if you don't push away from the basket will dunk over you every time on the low block that is rumured to be coming here. There's also talk of getting a few from almas highly talented junior class, one of them being 6-5 Kyle slagell. So I think sams recruiting hard and he's keeping the local kids local, which terry didn't do until his last class that had ithacas pride in that creed kid (6-8 and good) along with Brett lackie but neither are still here...

Baseball wise, alma I think will finish 3rd and has a chance to win a playoff game. Folske is starting to get his fingers wrapped around recruiting here in his final seasons (he's like the joe la of Michigan small college baseball) and this years team is stocked with talent from local the area, including Blake Leddy (swan valley) who will make an impact as a freshman.

Things are turning around, but they're still missing something to get those extra people in seats, and I agree there has to be more community interaction with the college teams..

Just my opinion, but if the local media played up the college teams with the same enthusiasm they have for the high school teams, I think you might have more community interest in the college teams.

[Mr. Ypsi]

See regarding population, I was told that Alma topped off at the 20,000+ back in it's hay day. At this last census we barely cleared the 8 grand mark. I also know the enrollment at the local high school is only 650ish so there's not exactly a ton of kids coming up either...

Basketball needs that boost, but with the energy and how the team was playing this year, I think hargraves is going to get people in seats and get this program more well known. Especially with next year's tri valley conference alumn greg silverthorn leading the charge (shepherd) along with a talented big from swan valley (also in tvc) that if you don't push away from the basket will dunk over you every time on the low block that is rumured to be coming here. There's also talk of getting a few from almas highly talented junior class, one of them being 6-5 Kyle slagell. So I think sams recruiting hard and he's keeping the local kids local, which terry didn't do until his last class that had ithacas pride in that creed kid (6-8 and good) along with Brett lackie but neither are still here...

Baseball wise, alma I think will finish 3rd and has a chance to win a playoff game. Folske is starting to get his fingers wrapped around recruiting here in his final seasons (he's like the joe la of Michigan small college baseball) and this years team is stocked with talent from local the area, including Blake Leddy (swan valley) who will make an impact as a freshman.

Things are turning around, but they're still missing something to get those extra people in seats, and I agree there has to be more community interaction with the college teams..

Just my opinion, but if the local media played up the college teams with the same enthusiasm they have for the high school teams, I think you might have more community interest in the college teams.

Probably true, but don't hold your breath.  The parents of local high school athletes are potential subscribers/advertisers.  The parents of local college athletes, not so much.

[NCF]

Does anyone still subscribe to a newpaper anymore? I have kids in my class who have never read one.

[sflzman]

Does anyone still subscribe to a newpapae anymore? I have kids in my class who have never read one.

I know my family subscribed to two when I lived across the river from Portland, Oregon.  Nowadays, it's just daily trips to 7/11...

[NCF]

Does anyone still subscribe to a newpapae anymore? I have kids in my class who have never read one.

I know my family subscribed to two when I lived across the river from Portland, Oregon.  Nowadays, it's just daily trips to 7/11...

Hahaha...I'm a speedway regular, paper and caffeine! Growing up we got the Times and the neighborhood paper.

[Uncle Rico]

Although I get most of my news from the web, I still subscribe to the local paper and read it from front to back.  I prefer the printed media from a reading perspective, but find the web stuff more current and "live."

[NCF]

Although I get most of my news from the web, I still subscribe to the local paper and read it from front to back.  I prefer the printed media from a reading perspective, but find the web stuff more can be more current and "live."

I like to read the paper also, but if news breaks, the web is great to stay on top of unfolding events.

[Cousin Eddie]

Haven't been checkin up on the site lately....but with all the reports coming out about the Saints/Redskins and the "Bounty" programs that Williams had running I thought I would jump on and see if there was any chatter on that.  I was suprised to not see anything, unless I missed a few posts. 

In hearing the information I am honestly not all that surprised that "Bounty" programs are in the NFL.  I am betting that they are more widespread than just in the places that Gregg Williams has coached.  The main issue I was suprised with is that the program was being run by the coach.  In all my time playing I have come across, not necessarily payments for hard hits, interceptions, fumbles, etc., but for sure players getting together to talk about who to target or a round of beers or shots for a pick 6 or big hit.  And at the levels I have played, this was not something coaches knew about or promoted, but it did go on amongst players (defense and offense alike).  Hell, I remember as a kid playing lacrosse in middle school and getting a "bounty".  The team I played for was bad and games were brutally boring for parents to watch.  My pops would put up $10 for every kid I knocked down $20 if the coach had to come out and check on the player.  Now I will say that money was not paid out to me if the hit was not legal and I made sure to keep hits clean, but still the mentality behind it is the same....make the game more exciting and interesting through physical means.

Hoping to get the thoughts of others.....I know that we have a number of ex-players that post and many of which we know the teams they played for.  I do not bring up this topic to try and accuse teams in the MIAA or other leagues of being dirty, just to get other opinions.  To see if others see it as I do, that many of the fans and media are naive to think that this is an isolated case.

[formerd3db]

Cousin Eddie:

I wasn't going to bring the topic up here, however, since you did, here goes. I will offer my opinion here and please note that I am only speaking for myself obviously.  While I have no problem whatsoever with hard legit hits and going for those as well as "helmet stickers" for good plays like many of the colleges (and some high schools) do and have done for many years, IMO, there is no place whatsoever for "bounties" in the sense that these idiots have done and are talking about, whether for $ or anything.  Intentionally targeting/going after some specific player to put them out of the game (and I'm not talking about legit double teaming a player, etc., etc.) has simply no place whatsover in the game on any level - period.  Any of those pros who say otherwise are jerks and just another reason why the NFL (and for that matter some of the big-time college football programs) have sunk to the low level they have.  For any colleges at our level with players who have that kind of juvenile mentality (even if the coaches knew nothing about it), that is shameful- those players have no right or any business in engaging in that type of activity or bragging about it.  They should be ashamed about it although I can bet you (if I were a betting man which I am not) they aren't nor would be honest enough to admit it and that is simply sad.  If I were a coach and found out about it, their individual responsibility would be held accountable to them and there would be consequences.  So that is my opinion, and I make no apologies for it.  While others may disagree with my opinion, I certainly respect their opinions, but will disagree.  That said, I hope the NFL "throws the book at those guys and anyone (coaches) who knew about it and did nothing.  They knew it was against the rules, however, like so many in today's society and in that game, sadly, they choose to break the accepted rules and don't care what anyone thinks other than themselves. What a pity.

[NCF]

Cousin Eddie:

I wasn't going to bring the topic up here, however, since you did, here goes. I will offer my opinion here and please note that I am only speaking for myself obviously.  While I have no problem whatsoever with hard legit hits and going for those as well as "helmet stickers" for good plays like many of the colleges (and some high schools) do and have done for many years, IMO, there is no place whatsoever for "bounties" in the sense that these idiots have done and are talking about, whether for $ or anything.  Intentionally targeting/going after some specific player to put them out of the game (and I'm not talking about legit double teaming a player, etc., etc.) has simply no place whatsover in the game on any level - period.  Any of those pros who say otherwise are jerks and just another reason why the NFL (and for that matter some of the big-time college football programs) have sunk to the low level they have.  For any colleges at our level with players who have that kind of juvenile mentality (even if the coaches knew nothing about it), that is shameful- those players have no right or any business in engaging in that type of activity or bragging about it.  They should be ashamed about it although I can bet you (if I were a betting man which I am not) they aren't nor would be honest enough to admit it and that is simply sad.  If I were a coach and found out about it, their individual responsibility would be held accountable to them and there would be consequences.  So that is my opinion, and I make no apologies for it.  While others may disagree with my opinion, I certainly respect their opinions, but will disagree.  That said, I hope the NFL "throws the book at those guys and anyone (coaches) who knew about it and did nothing.  They knew it was against the rules, however, like so many in today's society and in that game, sadly, they choose to break the accepted rules and don't care what anyone thinks other than themselves. What a pity.

Former: You pretty much hit the nail on the head with this post.  As my son plays defense and it is awesome to see him make a great hit-I would be disappointed in him if he ever deliberately tried to "take someone out" on any play. That is not what athletics are about and it is sickening to hear "professionals" talk and act in such an unprofessional manner.

[formerd3db]

Cousin Eddie:

I wasn't going to bring the topic up here, however, since you did, here goes. I will offer my opinion here and please note that I am only speaking for myself obviously.  While I have no problem whatsoever with hard legit hits and going for those as well as "helmet stickers" for good plays like many of the colleges (and some high schools) do and have done for many years, IMO, there is no place whatsoever for "bounties" in the sense that these idiots have done and are talking about, whether for $ or anything.  Intentionally targeting/going after some specific player to put them out of the game (and I'm not talking about legit double teaming a player, etc., etc.) has simply no place whatsover in the game on any level - period.  Any of those pros who say otherwise are jerks and just another reason why the NFL (and for that matter some of the big-time college football programs) have sunk to the low level they have.  For any colleges at our level with players who have that kind of juvenile mentality (even if the coaches knew nothing about it), that is shameful- those players have no right or any business in engaging in that type of activity or bragging about it.  They should be ashamed about it although I can bet you (if I were a betting man which I am not) they aren't nor would be honest enough to admit it and that is simply sad.  If I were a coach and found out about it, their individual responsibility would be held accountable to them and there would be consequences.  So that is my opinion, and I make no apologies for it.  While others may disagree with my opinion, I certainly respect their opinions, but will disagree.  That said, I hope the NFL "throws the book at those guys and anyone (coaches) who knew about it and did nothing.  They knew it was against the rules, however, like so many in today's society and in that game, sadly, they choose to break the accepted rules and don't care what anyone thinks other than themselves. What a pity.

Former: You pretty much hit the nail on the head with this post.  As my son plays defense and it is awesome to see him make a great hit-I would be disappointed in him if he ever deliberately tried to "take someone out" on any play. That is not what athletics is about and it is sickening to hear "professionals" talk and act in such an unprofessional manner.

"Right on", newcard.  I am with you on this one.

[NCF]

Cousin Eddie:

I wasn't going to bring the topic up here, however, since you did, here goes. I will offer my opinion here and please note that I am only speaking for myself obviously.  While I have no problem whatsoever with hard legit hits and going for those as well as "helmet stickers" for good plays like many of the colleges (and some high schools) do and have done for many years, IMO, there is no place whatsoever for "bounties" in the sense that these idiots have done and are talking about, whether for $ or anything.  Intentionally targeting/going after some specific player to put them out of the game (and I'm not talking about legit double teaming a player, etc., etc.) has simply no place whatsover in the game on any level - period.  Any of those pros who say otherwise are jerks and just another reason why the NFL (and for that matter some of the big-time college football programs) have sunk to the low level they have.  For any colleges at our level with players who have that kind of juvenile mentality (even if the coaches knew nothing about it), that is shameful- those players have no right or any business in engaging in that type of activity or bragging about it.  They should be ashamed about it although I can bet you (if I were a betting man which I am not) they aren't nor would be honest enough to admit it and that is simply sad.  If I were a coach and found out about it, their individual responsibility would be held accountable to them and there would be consequences.  So that is my opinion, and I make no apologies for it.  While others may disagree with my opinion, I certainly respect their opinions, but will disagree.  That said, I hope the NFL "throws the book at those guys and anyone (coaches) who knew about it and did nothing.  They knew it was against the rules, however, like so many in today's society and in that game, sadly, they choose to break the accepted rules and don't care what anyone thinks other than themselves. What a pity.

Former: You pretty much hit the nail on the head with this post.  As my son plays defense and it is awesome to see him make a great hit-I would be disappointed in him if he ever deliberately tried to "take someone out" on any play. That is not what athletics is about and it is sickening to hear "professionals" talk and act in such an unprofessional manner.

"Right on", newcard.  I am with you on this one.

I would hope most people would feel the same way.

[Cousin Eddie]

Cousin Eddie:

I wasn't going to bring the topic up here, however, since you did, here goes. I will offer my opinion here and please note that I am only speaking for myself obviously.  While I have no problem whatsoever with hard legit hits and going for those as well as "helmet stickers" for good plays like many of the colleges (and some high schools) do and have done for many years, IMO, there is no place whatsoever for "bounties" in the sense that these idiots have done and are talking about, whether for $ or anything.  Intentionally targeting/going after some specific player to put them out of the game (and I'm not talking about legit double teaming a player, etc., etc.) has simply no place whatsover in the game on any level - period.  Any of those pros who say otherwise are jerks and just another reason why the NFL (and for that matter some of the big-time college football programs) have sunk to the low level they have.  For any colleges at our level with players who have that kind of juvenile mentality (even if the coaches knew nothing about it), that is shameful- those players have no right or any business in engaging in that type of activity or bragging about it.  They should be ashamed about it although I can bet you (if I were a betting man which I am not) they aren't nor would be honest enough to admit it and that is simply sad.  If I were a coach and found out about it, their individual responsibility would be held accountable to them and there would be consequences.  So that is my opinion, and I make no apologies for it.  While others may disagree with my opinion, I certainly respect their opinions, but will disagree.  That said, I hope the NFL "throws the book at those guys and anyone (coaches) who knew about it and did nothing.  They knew it was against the rules, however, like so many in today's society and in that game, sadly, they choose to break the accepted rules and don't care what anyone thinks other than themselves. What a pity.

Former: You pretty much hit the nail on the head with this post.  As my son plays defense and it is awesome to see him make a great hit-I would be disappointed in him if he ever deliberately tried to "take someone out" on any play. That is not what athletics is about and it is sickening to hear "professionals" talk and act in such an unprofessional manner.

"Right on", newcard.  I am with you on this one.

I would hope most people would feel the same way.

formerd3 and newcard:  Very good comments by both.  I do agree with you that intentionally targeting or seeking to injure a player has no place in any sport.  And as I mentioned before it is made that much worse when such a program and type of play is supported and directed by a coach.  It is not nearly the same, and I hope this doesn't sound like I am saying the two are equal, but "helmet stickers" that are given out for big hits or a good crackback/blindside block can have a similar affect on players.  Stickers that are given out for such can lead a player to look more often for those hits or take more risks to continue getting recognition for such play.  Which unitentionally can lead to pushing the line on legal and illegal play.  But I would be lying if I said I didn't believe targeting of particular players doesn't happen.  That is the whole reason for scouting reports....to know who the better players are on the other team.  formerd3, you mention the legit double team and adjusting schemes for particular players, but that is not where the targeting ends.  The informal talk among players becomes the chance of looking for the opportunity more often for big hits on those players...holding the man up so someone else can come in and finish up, or knocking down a particular player standing around the pile.  Now from my time playing and hearing such talk the intent was not to injure, but obviously to wear down, make that player not want to keep playing as hard or taking those hits.  I agree that many professionals or players at other levels that do play with the intent to injure will not be willing to own up to or be honest about the way they play...and that is sad.  Should only play the game in a way that you can take responsibility for your actions.

[NCF]

Cousin Eddie:

I wasn't going to bring the topic up here, however, since you did, here goes. I will offer my opinion here and please note that I am only speaking for myself obviously.  While I have no problem whatsoever with hard legit hits and going for those as well as "helmet stickers" for good plays like many of the colleges (and some high schools) do and have done for many years, IMO, there is no place whatsoever for "bounties" in the sense that these idiots have done and are talking about, whether for $ or anything.  Intentionally targeting/going after some specific player to put them out of the game (and I'm not talking about legit double teaming a player, etc., etc.) has simply no place whatsover in the game on any level - period.  Any of those pros who say otherwise are jerks and just another reason why the NFL (and for that matter some of the big-time college football programs) have sunk to the low level they have.  For any colleges at our level with players who have that kind of juvenile mentality (even if the coaches knew nothing about it), that is shameful- those players have no right or any business in engaging in that type of activity or bragging about it.  They should be ashamed about it although I can bet you (if I were a betting man which I am not) they aren't nor would be honest enough to admit it and that is simply sad.  If I were a coach and found out about it, their individual responsibility would be held accountable to them and there would be consequences.  So that is my opinion, and I make no apologies for it.  While others may disagree with my opinion, I certainly respect their opinions, but will disagree.  That said, I hope the NFL "throws the book at those guys and anyone (coaches) who knew about it and did nothing.  They knew it was against the rules, however, like so many in today's society and in that game, sadly, they choose to break the accepted rules and don't care what anyone thinks other than themselves. What a pity.

Former: You pretty much hit the nail on the head with this post.  As my son plays defense and it is awesome to see him make a great hit-I would be disappointed in him if he ever deliberately tried to "take someone out" on any play. That is not what athletics is about and it is sickening to hear "professionals" talk and act in such an unprofessional manner.

"Right on", newcard.  I am with you on this one.

I would hope most people would feel the same way.

formerd3 and newcard:  Very good comments by both.  I do agree with you that intentionally targeting or seeking to injure a player has no place in any sport.  And as I mentioned before it is made that much worse when such a program and type of play is supported and directed by a coach.  It is not nearly the same, and I hope this doesn't sound like I am saying the two are equal, but "helmet stickers" that are given out for big hits or a good crackback/blindside block can have a similar affect on players.  Stickers that are given out for such can lead a player to look more often for those hits or take more risks to continue getting recognition for such play.  Which unitentionally can lead to pushing the line on legal and illegal play.  But I would be lying if I said I didn't believe targeting of particular players doesn't happen.  That is the whole reason for scouting reports....to know who the better players are on the other team.  formerd3, you mention the legit double team and adjusting schemes for particular players, but that is not where the targeting ends.  The informal talk among players becomes the chance of looking for the opportunity more often for big hits on those players...holding the man up so someone else can come in and finish up, or knocking down a particular player standing around the pile.  Now from my time playing and hearing such talk the intent was not to injure, but obviously to wear down, make that player not want to keep playing as hard or taking those hits.  I agree that many professionals or players at other levels that do play with the intent to injure will not be willing to own up to or be honest about the way they play...and that is sad.  Should only play the game in a way that you can take responsibility for your actions.

I completely agree that most professionals do not intentionally set out to injure someone, but it its always the few bad apples that give the majority a bad name. Good, hard hitting football is great-intentionally targeting someone is not.

[formerd3db]

Cousin Eddie:

Thank you.  But you have also just pointed out the exact difference we are all talking about here (again, I think you, newcard, me and the others are all on the "same page" with this).  There is nothing wrong with targeting a key player in the scouting plans for a game and that includes among the players themselves, so long as the hits and action plans are legal and within the safety rules.  The difference here that is involved in the NFL is that they were intentionally targeting certain body parts on players to put them out of action and as we've said, actually, I'll take it a step further - that is plain evil and mean spirited.  Helmet stickers are, indeed, intended to enthuse the players, yet the latter who let it get out of hand and/or context should know better (I would say that if they are honest about it, the majority know what is right and wrong) and if they step over the line, they need to be held accountable.  Some coaches like the helmet sticker system, some do not.  I know when I played at Hope, our coach(es) did not nor do they still.  However, personally, as I mentioned, I have no problem with it as long as it is kept in the right restraints and that is the responsibility of the coaches in keeping that in the open forefront as well as the responsibility of the players to know the difference between what is allowed and what is inexcusable.  Anyway, thanks again for your comments and the others as well.  I think we've established the "norm" for this here.