FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[DBQ1965]

Adrian 13-3 ... halftime.

[DBQ1965]

Midway of 3rd quarter ... Adrian up 13-10.

[DBQ1965]

Time to switch over to my alma mater. No more Adrian-Albion scores.

[RuleBritannia]

Controversial ending in Albion as the officials rule Albion's Darrin Williams down short of the goal line on an all-or-nothing 2 point conversion in overtime. Congratulations to Adrian on their MIAA championship.

[sac]

Adrian 20, Albion 19, ot
Trine 49, Olivet 21
Kalamazoo 17, Alma 13

[sac]

Here's the Albion take on the game
http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/5062-inches-short

Really can't disagree with the decision to go for two after the penalty

[Raider 68]

Congrats to the Adrian Bulldogs for winning the conference and are now in the playoffs!
Can they get past the first round, assuming they will be in the North bracket?

[formerd3db]

Here's the Albion take on the game
http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/5062-inches-short

Really can't disagree with the decision to go for two after the penalty

I guess I am a little more conservative.  I would not have gone for two (unless it was in the O.T. period that requires a team to do so (i.e. after 3rd OT or is it the 2nd one?).  You are going "all or none" and while a PAT is not guaranteed obviously, I think they would have had a better chance of making it than going for 2 at that particular point.  Then, by tying the game, you can always go for the win - when you have to in one of the later potential situations i.e. your last chance of winning the game after they might have scored OR again, being required to go for two per the rules.  Just MO.

Anyway, congratulations to Adrian for winning the title and now hopefully they will get past the first round of the playoffs - after they focus on winning their last regular season game next week, of course.

As far as Alma, wow - I thought they would beat Kazoo.  At the same time, although Kazoo lost several games in a row, some of those were close like this win was for them. 

Will Olivet win a game this year anyone?

[formerd3db]

Controversial ending in Albion as the officials rule Albion's Darrin Williams down short of the goal line on an all-or-nothing 2 point conversion in overtime. Congratulations to Adrian on their MIAA championship.

What was controversial about it?  Was it an incorrect i.e. botched call or are you calling it controversial because they went for two?  If you are alleging it was an incorrect call, will the films show it and/or were you or any of your colleagues down on the sidelines close enough to make the observation?  Just curious.

[waxx]

[quote author=formerd3db link=topic=3548.msg1460947#msg1460947 date=1352064847
What was controversial about it?  Was it an incorrect i.e. botched call or are you calling it controversial because they went for two?  If you are alleging it was an incorrect call, will the films show it and/or were you or any of your colleagues down on the sidelines close enough to make the observation?  Just curious.
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It was a controversial call because of how close it was. You can view the final play here http://www.ustream.tv/channel/albionsports, it starts at about 2:45. We obviously have a terrible view of it, so there is no way to say if he made it or not, but you can see how close it was.

I am curious to know from anyone that was there what was "classless," as the announcers put it, about the Adrian celebration.  By the time the camera panned over, it just looked like Adrian was celebrating midfield. Did the Adrian players do something before that? If that's all that took place, I don't see what's wrong with that.

[vandyboy]

[quote author=formerd3db link=topic=3548.msg1460947#msg1460947 date=1352064847
What was controversial about it?  Was it an incorrect i.e. botched call or are you calling it controversial because they went for two?  If you are alleging it was an incorrect call, will the films show it and/or were you or any of your colleagues down on the sidelines close enough to make the observation?  Just curious.

It was a controversial call because of how close it was. You can view the final play here http://www.ustream.tv/channel/albionsports, it starts at about 2:45. We obviously have a terrible view of it, so there is no way to say if he made it or not, but you can see how close it was.

I am curious to know from anyone that was there what was "classless," as the announcers put it, about the Adrian celebration.  By the time the camera panned over, it just looked like Adrian was celebrating midfield. Did the Adrian players do something before that? If that's all that took place, I don't see what's wrong with that.
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I was at the game and it was impossible to tell if he crossed the goal line.  My son who was on the field for that play said he thought he got it but it was very close.
I think what the announcers were referring to was the fact that Adrian would not line up to shake hands after the game.  Which I agree with his assessment 100%.

[sac]

It was a controversial call because of how close it was. You can view the final play here http://www.ustream.tv/channel/albionsports, it starts at about 2:45. We obviously have a terrible view of it, so there is no way to say if he made it or not, but you can see how close it was.

That is dang close, but championship teams can move the ball 1 1/2 yards.   Any coach will tell you that.

[Mr. Ypsi]

WOW - what a rough way to lose a game (and a likely title and playoff bid) - looked good to me, but it is true that the angle makes it impossible to know for sure.

I can understand the controversy!

[formerd3db]

Well, let's be perfectly honest here. 

First, unless any of you were down on the field and in direct line with vision of the line of scrimmage (like I was during our game with Trine last week in which Hope's QB definitely crossed the goal line to score on both attempts, which was clearly a blown call by the officials), then no one can say for sure that the Albion player scored.  You simply cannot tell from the angle of the film that is presented here in the link (his knee might have touched first even, but again, you can't tell from that video angle).

Secondly, I think it is somewhat disingenuous for Albion supporters (including the announcers of that video clip we've seen) to imply that ALL of the Adrian players did a classless act in not shaking hands with the Albion players.  The video shows without a doubt that several Adrian players did in fact come over to shake hands and congratulate Albion players.  That said, for those other Adrian players who did not do so (and there were certainly a large number who did not), that was indeed showing a lack of class.  Yet, again to imply that all Adrian people did so is simply a false statement - period (and that is certainly what is implied by the comments of the announcers on the audio of the video clip shown).  As such, I hope that the Adrian coaches said something to their players about the appropriate display of sportsmanship after the game regardless of whether you lose or win.

I would agree with Mr. Ypsi, though, that it is a tough and disappointing way for any game to end regardless of whether it is for a championship or not.  I think we would all agree, however, that it just hurts a little more for the losing team when it is such a perhaps more important game for the "higher stakes" such as this one was.  Lastly, it somewhat comes back to my previously expressed personal opinions that the quality of the officiating in the MIAA has unfortunately started declining again this year back towards what it was 3 and 4 years ago and that is very disappointing.


 

[vandyboy]

formerd3db, I was in the stands at that end of the field approximately at the 30 yard line.  I could not tell from my angle.  I have even watched a different video, same angle mind you and you can not tell.  Like I said in my previous post, my son was on the field during that play and he thought Darren had gotten in.  Gutsy call either way.  I have not seen the view from the platform lift in the end zone.  I would think that might be more definetive.  Mute point either way, the call was what it was.  I do not think it was a poorly officiated game.  Not the best but not generally I feel all of the calls made were correctly Saturday.

As to my comment agreeing with the commentators in the video, I stand by my statement.  I was at the game and witnesses first hand what I saw.  If you rewatch the video, right after the play at 3:13 a fan comes into frame from the end zone, how he got there that fast I do not know.  He was dressed in a yellow/black Adrian jacket.  He walks up to our players crossing his arms and in a censored quote, he was telling our players they were 'freakin female genitials'.  It went down hill from there.  At 3:33 you see our AD in Khaki pants and a lt grey jacket.  At 4:00 at about the 40 yard line an Adrian 'personel' in team gear came over was trying to get into an altercation with our team.  He and the AD can be seen 'talking and pointing fingers'.  Again, I witnessed this first hand and was told by our players what was being said by this person.  I am sure not all Adrian players were acting in this way, but I do know that the coaches did not have control of their players and they did not line up to shake hands.  To top all of this on the field off, some time later, after we had visited with our son on the field, in the parking lot next to the Kellogg Center, two Adrian players, still in the uniforms mind you, and 3-4 people in team sweat outfits walked through the parents tailgating area yelling and getting in verbal rants with parents. We were walking back to visit our son at his Frat house and did not stick around to see where this went.  I can only imagine how bad it could have gotten.

I will say how proud I am of our team the way they have played these last few weeks with the injuries that we have incurred.  They could have packed it in a couple of weeks ago but have soldiered on.