FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[formerd3db]

Well, my prediction (not here, but to other friends of mine, some of whom have a connection to the school) was correct that Bill Cubit was on the way out at Western Michigan University as he was fired yesterday after they lost to Eastern Michigan.  After the very good one year they had about 4 years ago or so, they have seemed to go downhill.  Too bad.  I'm not sure who is on the "short list" - there are not that many "hot" names in the coaching ranks it appears as compared to some other years.

Would Tim Lester leave Elmhurst and return to his alma mater, where he starred at QB, for a second coaching stint if offered the opportunity or will he stay put at Elmhurst because of family considerations?  Thoughts anyone on any of this?

And...this is for Mr. Ypsi - how much longer do you think they will give Ron English at Eastern Michigan?

[UMUplayerdad]

Well, my prediction (not here, but to other friends of mine, some of whom have a connection to the school) was correct that Bill Cubit was on the way out at Western Michigan University as he was fired yesterday after they lost to Eastern Michigan.  After the very good one year they had about 4 years ago or so, they have seemed to go downhill.  Too bad.  I'm not sure who is on the "short list" - there are not that many "hot" names in the coaching ranks it appears as compared to some other years.

Would Tim Lester leave Elmhurst and return to his alma mater, where he starred at QB, for a second coaching stint if offered the opportunity or will he stay put at Elmhurst because of family considerations?  Thoughts anyone on any of this?

And...this is for Mr. Ypsi - how much longer do you think they will give Ron English at Eastern Michigan?

seems like such a long time ago, Cubit and o-line staff was recruiting my kid(of course a red shirt year involved) now while it would have meant lots less money and travel..... my son is a piss poor loser..... he's only  lost last game of the year the last 6 years, but blow outs? if he was on a team that took a 60 point whipping or a team that had a 50% win ratio he would take up golf. So when UMU came calling a little history via google and Vince K's  pep talk made UMU an easy choice(FOR HIM)  PS I was not impressed by Cubit FWIW

[formerd3db]

Well, my prediction (not here, but to other friends of mine, some of whom have a connection to the school) was correct that Bill Cubit was on the way out at Western Michigan University as he was fired yesterday after they lost to Eastern Michigan.  After the very good one year they had about 4 years ago or so, they have seemed to go downhill.  Too bad.  I'm not sure who is on the "short list" - there are not that many "hot" names in the coaching ranks it appears as compared to some other years.

Would Tim Lester leave Elmhurst and return to his alma mater, where he starred at QB, for a second coaching stint if offered the opportunity or will he stay put at Elmhurst because of family considerations?  Thoughts anyone on any of this?

And...this is for Mr. Ypsi - how much longer do you think they will give Ron English at Eastern Michigan?

seems like such a long time ago, Cubit and o-line staff was recruiting my kid(of course a red shirt year involved) now while it would have meant lots less money and travel..... my son is a piss poor loser..... he's only  lost last game of the year the last 6 years, but blow outs? if he was on a team that took a 60 point whipping or a team that had a 50% win ratio he would take up golf. So when UMU came calling a little history via google and Vince K's  pep talk made UMU an easy choice(FOR HIM)  PS I was not impressed by Cubit FWIW

Thanks for your sharing your experience.  While I never met Cubit, I had heard similar stories.  One of my former Hope teammates had two of his sons being recurited by them (and Eastern Michigan also).  When they took their recruiting trip to those schools at one of the games, there were only about 1,000 people in the stadium in attendance for the game (and perhaps a little over 2,000 for the other).  His son said to him..."heck, dad, Hope College gets more than this to most of their games and that was a big factor in his decision to go to his dad's (our ) alma mater (aside from the fact that his parents could afford to send him to Hope).  The other son actually did go to Western, but transferred to Hope after his first year at Western because despite being 2nd team, he apparently was told P.T. would be "not alot".  Both sons were/have been great players for Hope.

Also, Western Michigan's AD (Kathy Beauregard) is a Hope grad and a former star women's athlete at Hope.  She has done a good job down there, yet hopefully her own hire for FB coach will get them in the right direction.  I also assume that was why Hope got to play Western in basketball last year for a regular season game that counted (i.e. wasn't an exhibition game).  Hope got crushed by them, although I would dare say had it been about 5-6 years ago with the team that Hope had then, they would have beaten Western.  We don't have a game with them this year, but it was a great experience for the players last year.   

[Mr. Ypsi]

Re: Ron English.  I am certainly hoping that the win against WMU bought him at least one more chance.  You know my view that it is virtually impossible to build an actual winner at EMU (they are just way too overshadowed by the big boys down the street to get even much local media coverage); I just don't think any replacement for English is likely to be an upgrade.  And while it hasn't so far shown up on the field, I most ways I think he has significantly improved the program.

[UMUplayerdad]

Well, my prediction (not here, but to other friends of mine, some of whom have a connection to the school) was correct that Bill Cubit was on the way out at Western Michigan University as he was fired yesterday after they lost to Eastern Michigan.  After the very good one year they had about 4 years ago or so, they have seemed to go downhill.  Too bad.  I'm not sure who is on the "short list" - there are not that many "hot" names in the coaching ranks it appears as compared to some other years.

Would Tim Lester leave Elmhurst and return to his alma mater, where he starred at QB, for a second coaching stint if offered the opportunity or will he stay put at Elmhurst because of family considerations?  Thoughts anyone on any of this?

And...this is for Mr. Ypsi - how much longer do you think they will give Ron English at Eastern Michigan?

seems like such a long time ago, Cubit and o-line staff was recruiting my kid(of course a red shirt year involved) now while it would have meant lots less money and travel..... my son is a piss poor loser..... he's only  lost last game of the year the last 6 years, but blow outs? if he was on a team that took a 60 point whipping or a team that had a 50% win ratio he would take up golf. So when UMU came calling a little history via google and Vince K's  pep talk made UMU an easy choice(FOR HIM)  PS I was not impressed by Cubit FWIW

Thanks for your sharing your experience.  While I never met Cubit, I had heard similar stories.  One of my former Hope teammates had two of his sons being recurited by them (and Eastern Michigan also).  When they took their recruiting trip to those schools at one of the games, there were only about 1,000 people in the stadium in attendance for the game (and perhaps a little over 2,000 for the other).  His son said to him..."heck, dad, Hope College gets more than this to most of their games and that was a big factor in his decision to go to his dad's (our ) alma mater (aside from the fact that his parents could afford to send him to Hope).  The other son actually did go to Western, but transferred to Hope after his first year at Western because despite being 2nd team, he apparently was told P.T. would be "not alot".  Both sons were/have been great players for Hope.

Also, Western Michigan's AD (Kathy Beauregard) is a Hope grad and a former star women's athlete at Hope.  She has done a good job down there, yet hopefully her own hire for FB coach will get them in the right direction.  I also assume that was why Hope got to play Western in basketball last year for a regular season game that counted (i.e. wasn't an exhibition game).  Hope got crushed by them, although I would dare say had it been about 5-6 years ago with the team that Hope had then, they would have beaten Western.  We don't have a game with them this year, but it was a great experience for the players last year.   

straight up this family has hated losing from candyland to risk to statego(which btw I am undefeted for 57ys)     no one cheats, no one is a good losser.... I figure tween  UMUreputation  and vince K's pep talks it cost me over 100k(out of state/ 12mpg gallon vehichle for 4 years) and the "never reaching for  their wallet habit of the in laws)    we have smashed over20 Xbox controlers because of refuse to lose idealogyy     I am guilty of 8 of them..... alliace is a small odd town(notice i did not say bad)- ODD   I subscribe to  the paper for entertainmnet value(beside UMU sports      y'all got GREAT sports med/docs/ surgeons and the townies dont hate the college kids)although law enforcement is a tad uh aggressive.... its tolerable   i was most certinly not going 75 on rt 62   I got a high tech radar JAMMER/combo detector-nicelaw    cops says you are speeding?   You are based on his experience -and piss on the expensses, i think the big long moppy haired galoot made the right decision-goodl ord 56  700 mile so far round trip minimum and I gotta say its worth it-ESP IF HE HITS 60 AND WINS THE LAST ONE

If your kids has d2 talent or better but# 1 hates to lose(treally hates it) and wants continuity and consistenccy  #2 can stand the pressure and ompetition     UMU is the place to go....... practicesscrimmages are at least as agressive/mean as most of the games are

[GRIZ_BACKER]

Some additional thoughts regarding Adrian's playoff game:

DAWG, what's with only 1475 attending the game?  I would think that with it having been Adrian's first appearance in the DIII playoffs since 1988 (at least for me, it is difficult to believe it was that long ago and that was back in the selection/invitation system at that i.e. before the AQ system was implimented) and also since Adrian was hosting, that there would have been many more than the listed announced attendance for the game.  That is a little disappointing, also given that the students were still on campus and had not left as yet before the Thanksgiving holiday break.  Perhaps most of the attendance was students and, of course, parents of the players.  Still, it is somewhat disappointing to see that even after Adrian rewarded their students/fans (and the administration no less - you know what I'm talking about in that regard ) with an MIAA championship and the playoff berth, that simply more people would have shown up for that game. 

I assume that Adrian will be essentially in the same category as far as returning talent next year so as to be the favored team and/or certainly one of the top contenders for the league title again (without checking the roster for who you lose in seniors and key positions).

Adrian crowd was sparse for a team that hasn't been in the playoffs since 1988 or so.  Nice stadium though.

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

Some additional thoughts regarding Adrian's playoff game:

DAWG, what's with only 1475 attending the game?  I would think that with it having been Adrian's first appearance in the DIII playoffs since 1988 (at least for me, it is difficult to believe it was that long ago and that was back in the selection/invitation system at that i.e. before the AQ system was implimented) and also since Adrian was hosting, that there would have been many more than the listed announced attendance for the game.  That is a little disappointing, also given that the students were still on campus and had not left as yet before the Thanksgiving holiday break.  Perhaps most of the attendance was students and, of course, parents of the players.  Still, it is somewhat disappointing to see that even after Adrian rewarded their students/fans (and the administration no less - you know what I'm talking about in that regard ) with an MIAA championship and the playoff berth, that simply more people would have shown up for that game. 

I assume that Adrian will be essentially in the same category as far as returning talent next year so as to be the favored team and/or certainly one of the top contenders for the league title again (without checking the roster for who you lose in seniors and key positions).

Formerd3db:

Looking at the stands I thought there were more than that there, stadium seats around 3K I believe and I didnt see it as half empty. I will say that as far as community support the school suffers, I am not sure why and never really will be I guess but it has been the case as long as I have been associated with the program (going on 13 years). Siena Heights adding a team and Coach Lyall being there also resulted in something of a community shift to the other side of town to follow an NAIA school which is disappointing. Students were still on campus but their attendance has always been hit or miss, even when things are good there is an apathetic streak in some of them, which is disheartening and a large portion of the school still disappears on weekends to go home for whatever reason. The fans that were there were much appreciated and at least for the first half we did have a solid student section in the endzone. Hopefully with this season and if we can carry over and improve on it next year the community will become more supportive and we will have a better crowd should we host the playoffs again.

Adrian does return a large number of starters next year, I believe losing only two defensive starters and 4 offensive starters albeit one is Justin Hemm who will be missed. Im sure the coaches will do an excellent job recruiting again as well, I know this was just the first step in the plan like any program the goal is to compete nationally, not just for MIAA titles (though those are nice too!).

GRIZ_BACKER:

Glad you liked the stadium, its a far improvement from the stadium we played Franklin in when I was a junior, back when we shared Maple Stadium with the local high school. The administration has done great things in terms of facilities and giving teams what it takes to win as well as making large scale improvements to the academic side of campus as well, both of which were needed and they took care of. From what I remember of my senior year, 2003, the stadium you guys have is pretty nice as well, lots of red brick if I recall and a nice layout. Thought the visitors locker rooms were about a half mile away from the field from what I recall! If you liked the football stadium you should have checked out the baseball field and complex out back, they are top notch and even have some Division I coaches envy.

[DBQ1965]

Maybe a dumb question ... what is UMU.

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

Maybe a dumb question ... what is UMU.

University of Mount Union. Thats Mount Unions official name, though I cant recall really hearing them referred to as such very often.

[DBQ1965]

Maybe a dumb question ... what is UMU.

University of Mount Union. Thats Mount Unions official name, though I cant recall really hearing them referred to as such very often.

Thanks.  Now that I see it spelled out ...I should have known that.

[Uncle Rico]

Well, my prediction (not here, but to other friends of mine, some of whom have a connection to the school) was correct that Bill Cubit was on the way out at Western Michigan University as he was fired yesterday after they lost to Eastern Michigan.  After the very good one year they had about 4 years ago or so, they have seemed to go downhill.  Too bad.  I'm not sure who is on the "short list" - there are not that many "hot" names in the coaching ranks it appears as compared to some other years.

Would Tim Lester leave Elmhurst and return to his alma mater, where he starred at QB, for a second coaching stint if offered the opportunity or will he stay put at Elmhurst because of family considerations?  Thoughts anyone on any of this?

And...this is for Mr. Ypsi - how much longer do you think they will give Ron English at Eastern Michigan?

seems like such a long time ago, Cubit and o-line staff was recruiting my kid(of course a red shirt year involved) now while it would have meant lots less money and travel..... my son is a piss poor loser..... he's only  lost last game of the year the last 6 years, but blow outs? if he was on a team that took a 60 point whipping or a team that had a 50% win ratio he would take up golf. So when UMU came calling a little history via google and Vince K's  pep talk made UMU an easy choice(FOR HIM)  PS I was not impressed by Cubit FWIW

Thanks for your sharing your experience.  While I never met Cubit, I had heard similar stories.  One of my former Hope teammates had two of his sons being recurited by them (and Eastern Michigan also).  When they took their recruiting trip to those schools at one of the games, there were only about 1,000 people in the stadium in attendance for the game (and perhaps a little over 2,000 for the other).  His son said to him..."heck, dad, Hope College gets more than this to most of their games and that was a big factor in his decision to go to his dad's (our ) alma mater (aside from the fact that his parents could afford to send him to Hope).  The other son actually did go to Western, but transferred to Hope after his first year at Western because despite being 2nd team, he apparently was told P.T. would be "not alot".  Both sons were/have been great players for Hope.

Also, Western Michigan's AD (Kathy Beauregard) is a Hope grad and a former star women's athlete at Hope.  She has done a good job down there, yet hopefully her own hire for FB coach will get them in the right direction.  I also assume that was why Hope got to play Western in basketball last year for a regular season game that counted (i.e. wasn't an exhibition game).  Hope got crushed by them, although I would dare say had it been about 5-6 years ago with the team that Hope had then, they would have beaten Western.  We don't have a game with them this year, but it was a great experience for the players last year.   

straight up this family has hated losing from candyland to risk to statego(which btw I am undefeted for 57ys)     no one cheats, no one is a good losser.... I figure tween  UMUreputation  and vince K's pep talks it cost me over 100k(out of state/ 12mpg gallon vehichle for 4 years) and the "never reaching for  their wallet habit of the in laws)    we have smashed over20 Xbox controlers because of refuse to lose idealogyy     I am guilty of 8 of them..... alliace is a small odd town(notice i did not say bad)- ODD   I subscribe to  the paper for entertainmnet value(beside UMU sports      y'all got GREAT sports med/docs/ surgeons and the townies dont hate the college kids)although law enforcement is a tad uh aggressive.... its tolerable   i was most certinly not going 75 on rt 62   I got a high tech radar JAMMER/combo detector-nicelaw    cops says you are speeding?   You are based on his experience -and piss on the expensses, i think the big long moppy haired galoot made the right decision-goodl ord 56  700 mile so far round trip minimum and I gotta say its worth it-ESP IF HE HITS 60 AND WINS THE LAST ONE

If your kids has d2 talent or better but# 1 hates to lose(treally hates it) and wants continuity and consistenccy  #2 can stand the pressure and ompetition     UMU is the place to go....... practicesscrimmages are at least as agressive/mean as most of the games are

It sounds like Mt Union was a good move for your son.  My son was attracted to Trine because we wanted to be part of the challenge of building up the program, rather than joining a program already set and established.  And he was recruited by Mt Union and we did visit the campus.  When we were leaving Alliance after his visit, he had already been to Trine and said "it would be nice to go to a place where we might win a championship, but I want to help Trine get to that point."  He bought in to the system that new coach Land was putting in.  Before my son arrived, Trine was 2-8.  The four years he played, they went 6-4, 10-1, 10-2, and 11-1.  He was just one part of the team, and I think he and his teammates from that class got a great deal of satisfaction in building it up themselves.  The other factor, and in the long run was even more important, was that they offered a solid educational program in his field of interest.

[UMUplayerdad]

Maybe a dumb question ... what is UMU.

University of Mount Union. Thats Mount Unions official name, though I cant recall really hearing them referred to as such very often.

the change in name was made 2 years ago, at the time the change was made you would be corrected early and often if you referred to them as mount union and I fell into the habit, sorry for any confusion

[formerd3db]

Maybe a dumb question ... what is UMU.

University of Mount Union. Thats Mount Unions official name, though I cant recall really hearing them referred to as such very often.

the change in name was made 2 years ago, at the time the change was made you would be corrected early and often if you referred to them as mount union and I fell into the habit, sorry for any confusion

No problem. Although they are technically/officially UMU, I still refer to the school as Mount Union, just like we all usually use only the first name of any of the schools and not attach the "College" or "University" portion to it.

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

Maybe a dumb question ... what is UMU.

University of Mount Union. Thats Mount Unions official name, though I cant recall really hearing them referred to as such very often.

the change in name was made 2 years ago, at the time the change was made you would be corrected early and often if you referred to them as mount union and I fell into the habit, sorry for any confusion

No problem. Although they are technically/officially UMU, I still refer to the school as Mount Union, just like we all usually use only the first name of any of the schools and not attach the "College" or "University" portion to it.

Once Mount Union, always Mount Union! Much like I still call "Trine" Tri State, old habits die hard and its what I know! I had to do some research to find out it was called University of Mount Union, just seemed like the logical abbreviation though.

[Raider 68]

Best Wishes to all the MIAA posters for a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving!