FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Gregory Sager]

AO is clearly not familiar with the long running and now 8 year old joke about DeVos' ketchup and mustard dispensers, the cadillac of all ketchup and mustard dispensers.  A posting of photos on the college website of the grand opening celebration showed the ketchup and mustard dispensers arrogantly posing along the concourse.


I'm sorry to say I believe those photos have been lost to website upgrades.

It is, truly sad that those photos are gone.  They were the sources of such a good long series of jokes, and could be counted on to show up at just the right time whenever tensions in the room got too high.  I'll admit that after seeing AO's post I spent a good deal of time trying to find those photos somewhere.  Alas, I eventually had to give up.

I believe I found one of the pictures:

majestic

Gregory:

Thanks for the image/engraving of "beating a dead horse"!  I love it.  I've been looking for one of those for a long time.

I think we get your message, although the thought has crossed my mind that perhaps you sent it because you have experienced those containers before at some point, if you've ever been up to DeVos!   Just kidding.

No, this particular gif, like the ketchup-and-mustard picture, has been a staple of the MIAA basketball room for ages.

[formerd3db]

AO is clearly not familiar with the long running and now 8 year old joke about DeVos' ketchup and mustard dispensers, the cadillac of all ketchup and mustard dispensers.  A posting of photos on the college website of the grand opening celebration showed the ketchup and mustard dispensers arrogantly posing along the concourse.


I'm sorry to say I believe those photos have been lost to website upgrades.

It is, truly sad that those photos are gone.  They were the sources of such a good long series of jokes, and could be counted on to show up at just the right time whenever tensions in the room got too high.  I'll admit that after seeing AO's post I spent a good deal of time trying to find those photos somewhere.  Alas, I eventually had to give up.

I believe I found one of the pictures:

majestic

Gregory:

Thanks for the image/engraving of "beating a dead horse"!  I love it.  I've been looking for one of those for a long time.

I think we get your message, although the thought has crossed my mind that perhaps you sent it because you have experienced those containers before at some point, if you've ever been up to DeVos!   Just kidding.

No, this particular gif, like the ketchup-and-mustard picture, has been a staple of the MIAA basketball room for ages.

Got it!   BTW, congrats on NPU win.  A good feeling for them  I'm sure.  Now, if they can build on it - just like Olivet. 

[Raider 68]

formerd3db,

Tough loss on Saturday, what are your thoughts on the upcoming game against surprising
Olivet?

[formerd3db]

formerd3db,

Tough loss on Saturday, what are your thoughts on the upcoming game against surprising
Olivet?

Good to hear from you.  Indeed, it was a tough loss and also since it was Homecoming.   Yet, as always after a loss like that, we need to re-group and try to stay positive.  I do not mean this as disrespectful to Olivet, however, up until now, I've kind of had a difficult time trying to convince myself they are really good. .  Some people would make the argument that they hadn't played any upper tier teams, although some could say the same thing about Hope prior to our playing Adrian, with the exception of our having played Illinois Wesleyan.

However, now that Olivet is 5-0, I believe they are the "real deal".  Any team that goes 5-0 at the start of the season has to be.  While sometimes that is a result of a "little luck" (think U of Michigan and some other DI's ), still starting out like that is not always a fluke.  Of course, we all know that there is always the possibility of a melt-down or implosion in the second half of the season, which any team has to be on guard for and Olivet will have to do the same.

Anyway, Hope always has a tough time playing down at Olivet, even when the latter has not been good.  So, Hope will have to get their offense back to what we did in the first two and one half games.  Defense has been good, except for reverting back to our old problem of 3-4 and 5 years ago of giving up those two long TD passes.  I think we have a chance to end Olivet's streak if we "are there" i.e. back to how we started out, however, if Olivet strikes quick, early and comes out "blasting", it could be a very tough task and game.  I remain confident, however, that we (Hope) will bounce back.  Of course, Olivet is thinking otherwise and that they don't want to "burst their own bubble".

Your Mount Union is steadily and quietly rolling along.  Hopefully, we'll all have good weather for Saturday's games.  I do not like October rain for football, but, then again, who doesn't?

Y 

[Pat Coleman]

I'd stop well short of saying Olivet is the real deal. Here's their wins again, this time with the Kickoff preseason ranking attached:

Overall record: 5-0 - Conference: 1-0
9/7    at No. 142 Wilmington •    W, 48-27   
9/14    vs. No. 90 Wisconsin Lutheran •    W, 14-10   
9/21    vs. No. 227 Rockford •    W, 34-7   
9/28    at No. 161 North Park •    W, 14-10   
10/5    at No. 210 Alma * •    W, 20-13   

Olivet certainly has outperformed the 192 ranking it started the season with but Wisconsin Lutheran (0-4) is the only true surprise here -- and also a surprise that WLC is 0-4.

However, Olivet is well on the road to recovery and that's good for the program and the conference.

[Captain_Joe08]

I'd stop well short of saying Olivet is the real deal. Here's their wins again, this time with the Kickoff preseason ranking attached:

Overall record: 5-0 - Conference: 1-0
9/7    at No. 142 Wilmington •    W, 48-27   
9/14    vs. No. 90 Wisconsin Lutheran •    W, 14-10   
9/21    vs. No. 227 Rockford •    W, 34-7   
9/28    at No. 161 North Park •    W, 14-10   
10/5    at No. 210 Alma * •    W, 20-13   

Olivet certainly has outperformed the 192 ranking it started the season with but Wisconsin Lutheran (0-4) is the only true surprise here -- and also a surprise that WLC is 0-4.

However, Olivet is well on the road to recovery and that's good for the program and the conference.

I'm surprised that WLC is sitting at 0-4 here as well. Outside of the Hope game they could have easily been at least 2-2 or 3-1.

[formerd3db]

Pat:

I understand where you are coming from for sure, indeed, the competition as you have shown was...not upper tier as I mentioned.  Nonetheless, I'm saying that Olivet is still "the real deal" for us this week and until proven otherwise. (i.e. no thinking that they are going to be an automatic win, even if a tough game, like we've had a tendency to do historically in past years when Hope was much better team than we have been in recent years). I totally agree with you that Olivet is on the road to recovery and that is good all the way around as you stated. As we all know and I also mentioned, the key for them is to try and prevent the "implosion" scenario.  

Anyway, IMO, in the overall scheme, anyone who goes 5-0 initially is obviously not to be taken lightly.  A reverse scenario example, just for discussion and comparison, is what happened back in 2006 when Hope lost their first 3 games and came back to run the table.  There were some who said Hope was not the "real deal" then, but they persevered to win the title and AQ, until we got blasted by Mount Union in the first round and "the train came off the tracks !

I and others were surprised at Kazoo beating Trine this weekend.  Yet, like Olivet, the real tests will come in the next 2-3 weeks to see how they all play out against league competition.  Hope could have beaten Adrian, however, obviously did not deserve to win because of poor play.  I and some of my Hope former teammates were discussing the 3 weeks that, at least then, we thought the difference in Hope's team this year from the last couple of years, was the ability to come back and score after the other team did and/or a turnover.  They did that and seemed to be markedly improved until the last 2 weeks, reverting to not being able to "bounce back and score when they needed to".   Anyway, the MIAA always gets crazy at this time of year.  It will be interesting to see "who blasts who" and "knocks who" out of the race!     

[formerd3db]

I'd stop well short of saying Olivet is the real deal. Here's their wins again, this time with the Kickoff preseason ranking attached:

Overall record: 5-0 - Conference: 1-0
9/7    at No. 142 Wilmington •    W, 48-27   
9/14    vs. No. 90 Wisconsin Lutheran •    W, 14-10   
9/21    vs. No. 227 Rockford •    W, 34-7   
9/28    at No. 161 North Park •    W, 14-10   
10/5    at No. 210 Alma * •    W, 20-13   

Olivet certainly has outperformed the 192 ranking it started the season with but Wisconsin Lutheran (0-4) is the only true surprise here -- and also a surprise that WLC is 0-4.

However, Olivet is well on the road to recovery and that's good for the program and the conference.

I'm surprised that WLC is sitting at 0-4 here as well. Outside of the Hope game they could have easily been at least 2-2 or 3-1.

Yes, kind of like what I was talking about when Hope went opened the season winless in the first games 2006.  Sometimes, it is just a matter of a "play here or there".  Look at Olivet's win against Alma this past weekend.  If they make the PAT, they win in regulation even if Alma makes the FG as they did.  Now, do I think Alma is as good as Olivet?  I do not, but as we all know, sometimes the unexpected happens.

[formerd3db]

Okay, what are you predictions for this weekend, friends? Here are mine:

Hope @ Olivet - I pick Hope, of course, although as I said, it is always tough for us down at Olivet's stadium/field.

Alma @ Adrian- obviously Adrian.

Trine @ Albion-have to go with Albion after Trine's performance last weekend vs. Kazoo and also since this one is at Albion.

Kalamazoo, of course, has their "bye" weekend this Saturday.

P.S. As you can see, I'm taking the cheap way out and not predicting any scores, only the winners.  Our league is too crazy and unpredictable to try predicting scores, although I guess that just gives me another excuse to support why I'm a terrible gambler and also not a betting man!

[formerd3db]

Pat:

Obviously, it is still early in the process, however, what do you think the chances are for the IMG (Florida) bid being accepted by the NCAA as the location for the Stagg Bowl when the current contract with Salem, VA is done as noted in the newspaper article link on your front web page of this site?  Does Salem still want to keep the Stagg Bowl there?

Florida sounds great, however, as I recall, one of the problems they had when it was held down there before was the attendance factor.  Yet, looking at those figures, it wasn't all that bad in comparison to some of the lower attendance years at Salem or was it?  Just curious as to your thoughts as you are obviously much closer to this and "in the know" than most of us.

[sac]

Massey doesn't give Alma much of a chance Saturday, predicting a 30-0 Adrian win with 100% chance of Adrian victory.

picks Hope over Olivet 20-7 85% chance

picks Albion over Trine 24-21  56%

[Pat Coleman]

Pat:

Obviously, it is still early in the process, however, what do you think the chances are for the IMG (Florida) bid being accepted by the NCAA as the location for the Stagg Bowl when the current contract with Salem, VA is done as noted in the newspaper article link on your front web page of this site?  Does Salem still want to keep the Stagg Bowl there?

Florida sounds great, however, as I recall, one of the problems they had when it was held down there before was the attendance factor.  Yet, looking at those figures, it wasn't all that bad in comparison to some of the lower attendance years at Salem or was it?  Just curious as to your thoughts as you are obviously much closer to this and "in the know" than most of us.

I'd say the chance of the Florida bid being accepted (fully admitting I have not read it) are slim and none. The NCAA isn't going to add to the expense of the playoff brackets in this economic climate and they won't take a championship away from a host that has done it for 20 years and wants to keep doing it.

[formerd3db]

Pat:

Obviously, it is still early in the process, however, what do you think the chances are for the IMG (Florida) bid being accepted by the NCAA as the location for the Stagg Bowl when the current contract with Salem, VA is done as noted in the newspaper article link on your front web page of this site?  Does Salem still want to keep the Stagg Bowl there?

Florida sounds great, however, as I recall, one of the problems they had when it was held down there before was the attendance factor.  Yet, looking at those figures, it wasn't all that bad in comparison to some of the lower attendance years at Salem or was it?  Just curious as to your thoughts as you are obviously much closer to this and "in the know" than most of us.

I'd say the chance of the Florida bid being accepted (fully admitting I have not read it) are slim and none. The NCAA isn't going to add to the expense of the playoff brackets in this economic climate and they won't take a championship away from a host that has done it for 20 years and wants to keep doing it.

I agree with you on all aspects-cost and the wonderful service/dedication of the current Salem administrators are the factors.  The Salem folks have gone out of their way to do everything possible to make it a great venue and it is.  So it would be essentially a "slap in the face", IMO, and just not make sense, even though Florida is a nice location. 

[formerd3db]

Absolutely gorgeous day for college football today.  Hope bursts Olivet's "5-0 bubble" with a solid and convincing 47-14 win.  Hope's QB Atwell was back to his top form today and the offense played like they did in the first 3 wins.  Had they done that the last two weeks, we would be undefeated. Olivet is not a bad team and while I know there will be some who say "I told you so" because their wins had come against not so good teams and some close wins, nonetheless, their offense just could not get anything going.  IMO, I compared that exact situation as to what Hope's offense did in our two losses.

At any rate, it was a sun-drenched day and Olivet had an excellent crowd of 3785 for their Homecoming even though they lost.  It was pretty neat to see all the seats filled in the stadium, their band in the stands, all the people tailgaiting before and after the game, the old buildings and old sorority and fraternity houses on campus all decked out for their Alumni.  A great college football atmosphere.

As to the other MIAA games, Albion had a nice Homecoming crowd of 4164 listed in their win against Trine today, just a few miles from the Olivet/Hope game.  Same weather.  Adrian is beating Alma at Adrian; halftime score listed as 27-0 so far.

So as sac mentioned a earlier in the week, it will be interesting to see how the MIAA "scrum" plays out in the next couple of weeks.

[NCF]

Absolutely gorgeous day for college football today.  Hope bursts Olivet's "5-0 bubble" with a solid and convincing 47-14 win.  Hope's QB Atwell was back to his top form today and the offense played like they did in the first 3 wins.  Had they done that the last two weeks, we would be undefeated. Olivet is not a bad team and while I know there will be some who say "I told you so" because their wins had come against not so good teams and some close wins, nonetheless, their offense just could not get anything going.  IMO, I compared that exact situation as to what Hope's offense did in our two losses.

At any rate, it was a sun-drenched day and Olivet had an excellent crowd of 3785 for their Homecoming even though they lost.  It was pretty neat to see all the seats filled in the stadium, their band in the stands, all the people tailgaiting before and after the game, the old buildings and old sorority and fraternity houses on campus all decked out for their Alumni.  A great college football atmosphere.

As to the other MIAA games, Albion had a nice Homecoming crowd of 4164 listed in their win against Trine today, just a few miles from the Olivet/Hope game.  Same weather.  Adrian is beating Alma at Adrian; halftime score listed as 27-0 so far.

So as sac mentioned a earlier in the week, it will be interesting to see how the MIAA "scrum" plays out in the next couple of weeks.

Congrats to Hope!