FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

I was in Erie, pa. 2 days ago. I win.

I've never heard of being in Erie as a win.

Fred Biletnikoff Field  is in Erie.

[Gregory Sager]

I was in Erie, pa. 2 days ago. I win.

Fred Biletnikoff Field  is in Erie.

I'd never go see a game there. The fans probably stick to every seat and railing they touch.

[Pat Coleman]

Mr. Ypsi and I along with others have discussed that attendance topic on many occasions here regarding some DI schools i.e. Eastern Michigan (there are other DI's in the FCS this would apply to also) and some DII schools having less attendance at some games as compared to many of the DIII schools.

Do you mean FBS? Lots of FCS schools struggle with attendance but there is no requirement for attendance at the FCS level.

[formerd3db]

Mr. Ypsi and I along with others have discussed that attendance topic on many occasions here regarding some DI schools i.e. Eastern Michigan (there are other DI's in the FCS this would apply to also) and some DII schools having less attendance at some games as compared to many of the DIII schools.

Do you mean FBS? Lots of FCS schools struggle with attendance but there is no requirement for attendance at the FCS level.

Oops! Yes, meant FBS (typo).  As you know, that's one of the reasons why there has always been some question (in the various discussions here in the past) as to just how, for example, Eastern Michigan and some others maintain their FBS status.

Pat, can you please list the current FBS attendance requirements for us if you have them just for an FYI update?  Do those still entail having a stadium that will seat 30,000 and also having to meet a minimum home attendance average every three years?  Just curious.  I don't have a current copy of the NCAA guidelines, although could probably look it up in the NCAA online manuals-just thought you probably had the info right at hand.  Thanks.

[waxx]

Average at least 15,000 in actual or paid attendance for all home football contests over a
rolling two-year period. [Bylaw 20.9.7.3]

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/AMA/Division%20I%20Forms/2010-11%20FBS%20Forms/Football%20Bowl%20Subqa%2012%208%2010.pdf

Pretty interesting read.

[formerd3db]

Average at least 15,000 in actual or paid attendance for all home football contests over a
rolling two-year period. [Bylaw 20.9.7.3]

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/AMA/Division%20I%20Forms/2010-11%20FBS%20Forms/Football%20Bowl%20Subqa%2012%208%2010.pdf

Pretty interesting read.

waxx:
Thanks for the link.  It appears that the attendance requirement has been lowered slightly as I seem to recall it being 17,000 originally.


RE:  MIAA results this past weekend:
As I suspected the Trine/Olivet game was a barnburner.  From what I heard, it was a good game.  Too bad Olivet lost since it was their Homecoming and they had several special activities going on including honoring the 1974 Championship team.  And the crowd listed at 4350 must be a record if not near it for attendance there.  The loss by Olivet might take put a little damper on the hyper for this weekend's Olivet/Hope game at Hope, although perhaps not (well...at least it should not with regard to the players !!) since who ever loses will be essentially eliminated from the league title race by virtue of having 2 league losses then.  It is Hope's Homecoming and I would expect a huge crowd as usual and especially since the 1984 undefeated Hope football team is being honored (the only undefeated team in our history-unfortunately that team was not selected to participate in the NCAA DIII playoffs that year as there were a couple of other mid-west teams ranked ahead of Hope in the overall national/regional rankings).  As far as weather, probably not going to be anything near the great weather everyone had this past weekend.  Oh well. 

I was surprised that Alma was shutout in their game-thought they'd at least score since they had performed better the past two games.  The Albion/Kazoo game was no surprise though-and probably the largest crowd that Kazoo's team will play in front of this year-unfortunately for them.

I hope everyone has a good week.  Things will be shaping up in the MIAA race this weekend I believe. 

[vandyboy]

Great day for football yesterday.  Weather was fantastic in Albion.  First night game I have attended.  Lights were a welcome addition a couple of years ago. 

I too was surprised by the Trine/Olivet result.  I figured Olivet would have won by a touchdown or so.  Maybe Trine is not as down as I thought.  Should be an exciting game next week in Holland.

Albion came out hitting on all cylinders.  They had just shy of 500 yards of total offense at half time.  Kzoo may not win a game this year.  They moved the ball on Albion through the air but keep shooting themselves in the foot.  We had way too many penalties (O line must have had 6 holding calls on them).  Both teams came away injury free which is always good to see.

[formerd3db]

vandyboy:

You've had two consecutive Saturday's with great weather at Albion for the games! A great atmosphere for college football there.  I agree with you that now having the opportunity for an occasional night game makes for an enjoyable different type of experience with the lights.  Wow, nearly 500 yards offense in the first half-that is amazing, even if it comes against a not so good team.  Obviously, I think that Albion is still the favorite to win the title, yet, will still need to guard against a let down for Olivet and Trine. 

I agree with you also that Trine does seem to be better than some people predicted.  But as for Kalamazoo, I am baffled as to why they have taken a dive.  This was supposed to be the year they turned the corner and build further on the foundation and progress that had seemed to be firmly the past couple of years including with more players recruited and on the team.  I'm sure Coach Zerbo is perplexed.

Hope's game against Rockford, while a solid win, was a bit lackluster at times and despite Rockford not being such a good team (I give Rockford credit for not quitting, however).  Nonetheless, it was a needed boost to get back into a positive mind frame.  Hope will need to put together a staunch effort against Olivet this weekend for Homecoming.  I expect Olivet to come out in a whirlwind in offense, so the defensive secondary will need to play better than last week.  Obviously, once we've all had a chance to see the remaining teams on our respective schedules, we'll have a better idea as to just how good each really is (as opposed to what we thought they were on paper in the pre- and early season projections, taking into consideration, of course, an all out simply bad game by any of them on one of those occasions).     

[DBQ1965]

From the "for what its worth department" following up on some previous posts.

1.  I think one big reason for Kzoo's fall off in football this season has to do with the decision of last year's starter at QB (I cannot remember his name) not to return to football for his junior year.  An exciting player last year, he apparently decided to get involved in other on campus activities for this Fall.  A real loss to the program, I think.

2.  I attended last Saturday's Olivet-Trine game and it was exciting, primarily due to the absence of consistently good defense by either team ... as reflected by the 88 points total scored by both teams.  The Comets played well for 3 quarters and then, it seemed to me, just began to unravel.  I think a key turning point came (late in the 3rd. qrtr. I think) when Olivet held the Trine  offense in check, and then on 3rd and 15 when Trine had an incomplete pass to bring up 4th and long, an Olivet defender committed a dead-ball personal foul on the sidelines right in front of the Olivet coach.  That gave new life to the Trine offense which led to the first of three TDs to overcome Olivet's 42-24 lead.  The offending player, by the way, was taken out by the coach for the rest of the game. 

3.  The game itself was marked by inconsistent officiating and a few obviously missed calls on both sides of the ball.  I've read posts before in here regarding the poor state of officiating in the MIAA and Saturday was an example.  I'm not sure where the MIAA gets it officials and how much they get paid, but fans-in-the-stands deserve better.

4.  I hope to be in Holland this coming Saturday for what should be a pretty good match-up.  I haven't seen the Flying Dutchmen yet this season (out of the country for 3 weeks in September) but I expect to see a pretty competitive contest. 

[TrineDad]

I agree with a couple of points I've read above.  First, Trine isn't as "down" as some were thinking before the season began.  There are some issues yet to resolve but there is a lot of talent on this team and they could cause some trouble for people.  Second, about the officiating, I was at the Trine-Olivet game as well and the officiating crew was hands down the worst I have seen at any level of football ever!   Someone in the Trine stands yelled that they should "go back to working high school"  and then another guy said they should "go back to Foot Locker"!   Best line of the game.  Anyway, it was a beautiful football day and obviously, for me, a great result.

[sac]

I was in Erie, pa. 2 days ago. I win.

Fred Biletnikoff Field  is in Erie.   

I'd never go see a game there. The fans probably stick to every seat and railing they touch.

Just to complete the thought, I only caught a look at the field in the time it takes to wait for a red light.  Its old, and looks like maybe its only used for youth football.  Around the corner is Central Tech High School or something like that with a much nicer, but still old looking stadium.

I didn't see Gannon or Mercyhurst but was able to see the relevant Erie, Pa D3 school PSU-Behrend.  A nice campus in a lovely wooded setting on a hilly section of land above the city.

[sac]

This doesn't seem like a bad thing for Hope
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/article/20141013/SPORTS/141019725/10972/SPORTS

[Uncle Rico]

RE:  MIAA results this past weekend:
As I suspected the Trine/Olivet game was a barnburner.  From what I heard, it was a good game.  Too bad Olivet lost since it was their Homecoming and they had several special activities going on including honoring the 1974 Championship team.

I have to admit I am not at all feeling sorry for Olivet losing their homecoming game, but I am a little biased.  I think this game has a little extra spice to it as there are some former Trine coaches at Olivet now.  The Trine win makes me extra happy! 

[formerd3db]

RE:  MIAA results this past weekend:
As I suspected the Trine/Olivet game was a barnburner.  From what I heard, it was a good game.  Too bad Olivet lost since it was their Homecoming and they had several special activities going on including honoring the 1974 Championship team.

I have to admit I am not at all feeling sorry for Olivet losing their homecoming game, but I am a little biased.  I think this game has a little extra spice to it as there are some former Trine coaches at Olivet now.  The Trine win makes me extra happy! 

Now there's a "blast from the past"!   Good to hear from you and have you post, Uncle Rico.  It has been a long time.  I did not mean to impair the jubilation of our Trine posters here for their win at Olivet last Saturday.  It, indeed, was a great win for them.  But it would have been a great win for Olivet as well.  I only intended my post as being sympathetic for Olivet as they lost at their Homecoming (that had some very special additional activities going on) and as I would have for anyone's college and team in similar circumstances.  Regardless, I know what you mean with regard to a somewhat more interesting rivalry since the current Olivet staff has former Trine coaches, including Head Coach D.P.   

It will be interesting to see who further emerges for the title race after Saturday's games are completed.   

[Uncle Rico]

I still check on this site every so often, but with my oldest son graduated from Trine I admit it is harder for me to keep up with what is happening.  I don't have much of an inside scoop any more.  My youngest is a sophomore in high school, and plays in the high school band so it gives me an additional reason to catch the high school games, though.   

You certainly did not impair our Trine jubilation   I do not think Olivet has yet to beat Trine with DP at the helm, and for that I am happy.  There have been a couple really tight games, though.  Hope you are doing well.