FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

Despite the above post, and the disgust I feel with the way Jim Lyall was let go so callously I do support the hiring of Jim Deere as the head coach in the aftermath.  Jim Deere is a good man and one of the two smartest football minds I have ever met in my life.  He will carry on the love of the college and the program that Jim Lyall had as the head coach and bring  an enthusiasm that I know well to the sidelines and practice.  If there is one silver lining from this situation it is that a coach so competent and able as Deere will get a chance to show what he can do as he toiled in the background at Adrian for years.  I hope that Jim Deere can pick up and not miss a beat where Jim Lyall left off, hopefully he can win a championship as that appears to be the only bench mark that matters.  He has three years to do it and I hope that I can see him accomplish this so that he does not have to even think of suffering the same fate as his predecessor.

[formerd3db]

DAWG:

Of course, I (and I'm sure others) wish Deere all the best too in his new position.  However, let's hope that he is able to "not be looking over his shoulder all the time" in the next year or so.  Some big shoes to fill and some high expectations.  Then, I guess, every new head coach faces the same no matter what school it is.

[HOF]

I shake my head at this and wonder why the change was made.  I mean really, why was this needed?  Sad day in the MIAA. 

ADAWG:  Jim Deere, the new head coach, didn't he have a pony tail coaching a couple of years ago?  If so, I never thought he'd be in control, not saying a guy with a pony tail couldn't be a head coach, but from the sounds of it, the president at AC probably wouldn't let the pony tail back on the sidelines, LOL.  I remember some great stories provided about that guy from friends that played with him.  Congrats to him!

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

HOF: 

Coach deere did have the pony tail and a glorious pony tail it was!  I wish he could grow it back but the admin doesnt like long hair or facial hair so thats not an option.  Hes a great man who will do a great job, like I said I just hope he has the success the admin wants so he doesnt have to look over his shoulder as formerd3db stated.

[BoredatWork56]

Congratlations to all the players recognized as all conference selections.  Expecially to all the Trine players who are well represented again this year, and to Eric Watt who won the offensive player of the year

All-MIAA First Team
Offense
QB – Eric Watt, Trine** (junior from Kentland, Ind./South Newton HS)
RB – Kent Biller, Trine* (sophomore from Nappanee, Ind./NorthWood HS)
RB – Tim Elzinga, Hope* (junior from Grand Rapids/GR South Christian HS)
WR – Andrew Schaar, Alma** (junior from DeWitt/DeWitt HS)
WR – Kyle Dietrich, Hope* (junior from Gobles/Gobles HS)
WR – Jimmy Semelsberger, Kalamazoo** (senior from Bloomfield Hills/Lahser HS)
TE – Nick Leeman, Trine* (senior from Noblesville, Ind./Hamilton Heights HS)
OL – Cameron Reichow, Albion** (senior from Albion/Albion HS)
OL – Kelly Durr, Alma* (senior from Bad Axe/Bad Axe HS)
OL – Josh Droppers, Hope* (sophomore from Kalamazoo/Portage Northern HS)
OL – James Greenlee, Trine (senior from Columbus, Ind./North HS)
OL – Bryce Sims, Trine* (junior from Columbia City, Ind./Columbia City HS)
* - Number of years All-MIAA First Team

Defense
DL – Gino Panza, Adrian** (senior from Monroe/Jefferson HS)
DL – Charles Green, Albion* (senior from Chattanooga, Tenn./The McCallie School)
DL – Austin Rodgers, Albion** (junior from Dexter/Chelsea HS)
DL – Matt Medina, Trine* (junior from Decatur, Ind./Adams Central HS)
LB – Jared Kwiatowski, Adrian* (junior from Warren/Cousino HS)
LB – Zach Jones, Hope* (junior from Three Rivers/Three Rivers HS)
LB – Brandon Foutz, Kalamazoo* (senior from Grand Blanc/Grand Blanc HS)
LB – Jake Vance, Trine* (junior from Fenton/Lake Fenton HS)
DB – John Parvin, Adrian* (senior from White Lake/Walled Lake Northern HS)
DB – Chris Greenwood, Albion* (sophomore from Detroit/Martin Luther King HS)
DB – Kyle Warren, Hope* (junior from Grandville/Hudsonville Unity Chrisitan HS)
DB – Aaron Selking, Trine* (junior from Decatur, Ind./Adams Central HS)

Specialists
K – Jeremy Howard, Trine** (junior from Elkhart, Ind./Concord HS)
P – Ryan Patten, Olivet*** (senior from Charlotte/Charlotte HS)
RS – Andrew Schaar, Alma* (junior from DeWitt/DeWitt HS)


All-MIAA Second Team
Offense
QB – Brandon Luczak, Kalamazoo (senior from Rochester Hills/Rochester HS)
RB – Clinton Orr, Albion (freshman from Buchanan/Buchanan HS)
RB – Mike Martin, Olivet (sophomore from Caledonia/Wayland HS)
WR – Eric Suttie, Adrian (senior from Sylvania, Ohio/Northview HS)
WR – Paul Curtis, Trine (junior from Cassopolis/Ross Beatty HS)
WR – Mario Brown, Trine (sophomore from Battle Creek/Battle Creek Central HS)
TE – Nick Hemmingsen, Adrian (senior from Clinton Twp./Chippewa Valley HS)
OL – Brett Rude, Albion (senior from Waterford/Kettering HS)
OL – Shane Jesiel, Albion (freshman from Sterling Heights/Henry Ford II HS)
OL - Jared Andrzejewski, Kalamazoo (senior from Saint Johns/Saint Johns HS)
OL - Deryck Jefferies, Trine (senior from Fort Wayne, Ind./Homestead HS)
OL – Tyler Terry, Trine (junior from Stroh, Ind./Prairie Heights HS)

Defense
DL - Austin Fritz, Adrian (junior from Ayersville, Ohio/Ayersville HS)
DL – Justin Judd, Adrian (junior from Grosse Ile/Grosse Ile HS)
DL – Jeremy Green, Albion (junior from Chattanooga, Tenn./The McCallie School)
DL – Cody Stripling, Alma (senior from Haslett/Haslett HS)
LB – Danny Taylor, Adrian (junior from Commerce Twp./White Lake Lakeland HS)
LB – Conrad Bovee, Alma (sophomore from Ithaca/Ithaca HS)
LB – Chris Behnke, Olivet (junior from Bellevue/Olivet HS)
LB – Aaron Shoemaker, Trine (sophomore from Onsted/Onsted HS)
DB – Jacob Lee, Albion (senior from Spring Lake/Spring Lake HS)
DB – Robbie Moffett, Albion (junior from Chelsea/Chelsea HS)
DB – Bart Blystone, Alma (senior from Mount Pleasant/Mount Pleasant HS)
DB - Ryan Rickaby, Trine (sophomore from Adrian/Adrian HS)

Specialists
K – Justin Warner, Adrian (senior from Paw Paw/Paw Paw HS)
P – Mychal Galla, Albion (junior from Muskegon/Catholic Central HS)
RS – Joey Beehler, Adrian (senior from Wakarusa, Ind./Mishawaka Penn HS)

[4852lkrick]

And out of those 15 Trine players listed, only 3 are seniors.....   

[BoredatWork56]

I vaguely remember this topic being discussed last year around playoff time, but for those who my not know, or those who need a refresher, I will pose the question again.

Why does the NCAA limit the number of players allowed to dress to in the playoffs to less than in regular season road games?  Is this due to travel costs?  I think this rule hurts deep teams that use a lot of players either in rotations or on special teams, by forcing them to leave kids home that contribute on a weekly basis.

Does anyone know the reasoning behind this rule?  Any other thoughts?

[Mr. Ypsi]

I vaguely remember this topic being discussed last year around playoff time, but for those who my not know, or those who need a refresher, I will pose the question again.

Why does the NCAA limit the number of players allowed to dress to in the playoffs to less than in regular season road games?  Is this due to travel costs?  I think this rule hurts deep teams that use a lot of players either in rotations or on special teams, by forcing them to leave kids home that contribute on a weekly basis.

Does anyone know the reasoning behind this rule?  Any other thoughts?

Since the NCAA picks up the tab in the playoffs, I'm sure you correctly guessed that it is holding down costs.  While some players who might have seen action during garbage time in a blow-out may be left home, I seriously doubt any team uses SO many players during competitive games that any such player is absent.

[BoredatWork56]

Mr. Ypsi-

Thanks for clearing up the reasoning.  But I know that players who contribute get left off of the playoff rosters.  Just an example:  A second string linebacker who has started games this season and gets regular playing time gets left off for a 4th string linebacker who is on kickoff.  In these situations, one contributing player has to be left home no matter how the coaches decide to cut the roster. 

I'm sure these are some of the hardest decsions of the season for the coaching staff and I wouldnt want to be in their situation.  The emotion must run high for both the players and coaches when these situations come about.  It must be a tough pill to swallow knowing that someone who has played in ten games in a season wont be there with his teammates in the most important game of the season.

I guess this is the unfortunate reality that happens when playoffs roll around.

[formerd3db]

BAW and Mr. Ypsi:

Valid comments absolutely.  Indeed, this topic has been discussed on the boards in past years.  I won't reiterate all those aspects but rather share this.  I agree with yuo BAW in your opinion, although other people do not agree with us.  When I first found out about this rule several years ago (in watching the Stagg Bowl), essentially the same situation had occured regarding some players who had to be left off the roster.  I wrote a personal letter to the NCAA President (who was a former Albion College student-athlete) inquiring about this.  He did not have the courtesy to reply to me, but rather had his "assistant" do it, who happened to be very involved in the entire DIII playoff administration committee.  The answer he gave me was, yes, in regard to $, however, it was also very lame in all the other "reasoning" aspects, among them being that they had to limit the number of players on the sidelines "because it was too crowded for media, TV camera men and sideline announcers, NCAA and other personel with all their equipment in addition to all the players, coaching staffs and support people (trainers, team doc, equipment people), etc.. etc.  What a crock - give me a break!   They allow much more personel on the sidelines for the "big-time" teams at the bowl games, so that particular lame excuse doesn't wash with me.

Moreover, the $ aspect is riduculous IMO as well (again, others disagree with me but their entitled to their opinion also).  If the NCAA is so worried about the $ (heck, they get it from the big-time TV contracts from the DI basketball tournament as we understand it to fund championships in all NCAA sports and they have enough to cover additional players), then let the colleges and/or parents fund the extra players.  Some argue that is worthless because the majority of these "extra players" will not get in the game.  However, I would argue that making it to the playoffs and certainly to the Stagg Bowl is a once in a lifetime experience (except, of course if you are Mount Union, Wis Whitewater or St. Johns, etc. ) and I know many of these kids would cherish the opportunity to just be suited up on the sidelines, even if they knew it was highly unlikely they wouldn't get to play.  But...the powers that be don't see it my way and that's just the way it is.  Anyway, just my own opinion here.

[maripp2002]

First time posting here. I tend to agree that you should be able to take as many players as you want. It's always disappointing when guys who bust their humps don't get to suit up. This also brings up another great point. We know that d3 is without scholarships so rosters can be pretty wide ranging. I mean some schools are in the high 100's and others can be around 50. I say give schools a travel allotment for a certain number of players and then if there are more they want to bring have the school cover it.  There ought to be a way that teams can bring all the players they want.

[4852lkrick]

I didn't realize about the limited roster (only being my second year in MIAA)....  That's awful!  Everyone needs everyone at that point.


Nice article today on Trine on D3.  Sounds like it should be a great game!

[BoredatWork56]

Former -

Those reasons that the rep from the NCAA sent you almost poured salt in the wound.  I thought they would at least have a legitimate reasoning behind the rule.  I dont know the exact numbers allowed on the roster, but when you cut your traveling roster from around 60 players to 50 players, you can't tell me that cutting a roster by 15% wont effect a team.  You are losing key backups or special teams players. 

I dont think teams should be able to bring however many kids they want, 100 players on a sideline for a playoff game would be too many.  But I do think there should be the regular travel roster.  Its just not fair for a player who has made the travel list his entire career be left off a playoff roster because of this NCAA rule.

Does anyone know how this works in other levels of NCAA football?  I believe DI takes the entire roster to bowl games.  thats easilly 100+.  I'm sure they dont get in the way of media or anything...

[LetItRain]

I was told yesterday that Trine can dress 52 players for the game on Saturday.

[altor]

From page 21 of the Division 2009 Division III Football Championship Handbook.

Official Traveling Party
[Reference: Per Diem and Transportation in the Division III General Section.]
Transportation and per diem expenses will be provided for the official traveling party of 62 (including a maximum of 52 players in uniform).

Division II is 70 in the party with a maximum of 54 in uniform.
Division I-AA is 130 in the party with a maximum of 60 in uniform for the first three rounds.  For the championship game, 140 can be in the party with a maximum of 70 in the uniform.