FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

rule changes for football

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6361845

[DBQ1965]

Relative to the discussion a few days ago about college LAX in the area, this story was in the Grand Rapids Press today.

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2011/04/ultimate_guys_sport_lacrosse_g.html

[ThunderHead]

I just want to go on record and say that although Trine may have a LAX team I have zero interest in that sport.  I watched a few matches and could never get into it. I suppose it would be different if I had a kid who played or played myself.

Football on the other hand - that's another story. I love football.

Go Trine

[formerd3db]

Welcome to our MIAA board, ThunderHead.  No problem about your lack of interest in lacrosse.  While I like the sport and am associated with it/follow it at Hope, I am still a college football guy at heart, including from my own playing days at Hope "way back when"   Anyway, we'll look forward to your contributions and sharing of opinions/thoughts here.  I think you'll like our guys here on the board - they're level-headed and diplomatic, even when we might disagree on some aspects, unlike some on the other other boards.  

[formerd3db]

DBQ1965:

Thanks for posting the lacrosse article from the GR Press.  Nice article, although the writer did concentrate more on Davenport.  Admittedly, Davenport has been a tough, strong team from the inception of its program and, unfortunately, Hope has never beaten them.  However, while they handed Hope our first loss of the season, that game was totally not indicative of how Hope's team is this year.  Hope played terrible, lackluster and, in the opinion of some, reverted back to how we were 3-4 years ago at a truly "club level" talent.  I dare say we are beyond/above that former level at this point in regards to talent and experience, yet, we didn't show it on Thursday night.  I'm sure the Davenport team doesn't think so, nor do they probably care, however, that being said, they certainly have no idea of how good Hope has played against some of the other teams prior to this, particularly a good Ferris State University team.  Anyway, it is good to see that the local press is starting to take notice of the college lacrosse programs that have emerged in recent years.

[formerd3db]

sac:
Thanks to you also for posting the new rule changes.  Yes, I saw those in the media yesterday as well.  Some interesting, some perhaps not.  I do like the rules for penalities regarding taunting and showboating.  I guess the safety one against tripleteaming a lineman on extra points and/or FGs is warrented so that someone doesn't get "creamed" anymore, however, it will make it harder to block those kicks now in that no one will be able to overload an area, including from the sides/ends.  I guess that means there is less excuse for the kickers now if they miss kicks!

[Raider 68]

sac:
Thanks to you also for posting the new rule changes.  Yes, I saw those in the media yesterday as well.  Some interesting, some perhaps not.  I do like the rules for penalities regarding taunting and showboating.  I guess the safety one against tripleteaming a lineman on extra points and/or FGs is warrented so that someone doesn't get "creamed" anymore, however, it will make it harder to block those kicks now in that no one will be able to overload an area, including from the sides/ends.  I guess that means there is less excuse for the kickers now if they miss kicks!

Formerd3db,


The new blocking rule may be tough to call and catch! The extra point changes make the crucial at one time (1 pt) a non-event now!

[sflzman]

sac:
Thanks to you also for posting the new rule changes.  Yes, I saw those in the media yesterday as well.  Some interesting, some perhaps not.  I do like the rules for penalities regarding taunting and showboating.  I guess the safety one against tripleteaming a lineman on extra points and/or FGs is warrented so that someone doesn't get "creamed" anymore, however, it will make it harder to block those kicks now in that no one will be able to overload an area, including from the sides/ends.  I guess that means there is less excuse for the kickers now if they miss kicks!

Really? That was the thing I saw and automatically thought "wow. that's a terrible rule"

How can you take points off the board. I'm all for a 15 yard penalty, but you can't take a touchdown off the board. If a basketball players dunks over you and then lands and yells in your face do they get rid of the basket, no! I one hundred percently disagree with this rule and think it takes awayy some of the fun of the game. Let the guys have fun.

Really NCAA? You're going to worry about this? Why don't you worry about the guys cheating on tests and getting money or gifts or whatever you want to call it.

I don't know why, but this really bugs me.

--Just my opinion....

[ThunderHead]

Thanks for the welcome to the board, I've trolled for a long time and I figured I might as well join the party. Besides I think Trine will have another great season if they can fill Eric Watts shoes. So hopefully I'll have a lot this year to give all you non-Trine fans a hard time about.

As far as the the taunting subject...

Certainly not every touchdown deserves a party, but some do. Football is an emotional game, it's payoff; the W. The Win comes as a result of a "score". 95% of the time "excessive celebration" penalties result from exactly that, a manifestation of apparently to much happiness. NOT as a result of taunting the opposing team or players.

But if player goes beyond celebrating and starts "taunting" a specific target, then while I'm not sure taking points of the board is the best option, it seems something more serious then 15 yards, but less serious then an ejection should be enforced. Football as an entity often goes out of the way to promote the "there is no "I" in team" concept. So it seems odd that they would give one person the ability to have a drastic outcome on a sport so team oriented by allowing the "removal of points" for a single players actions. It also puts tremendous pressure on the officials. The reality is "taunting" is interpretable. What in one game could be called a 15 yarder now becomes a point removal in another, based on "in game chatter" that only those in ear shot of the conversation can hear. And even then, one officials tolerance for trash talk is going to different then another officials tolerance.

Such a penalty would have to be "obvious in written form" and be "obvious" from afar (visual hand or body signals by the player flagged) to be correctly and fairly enforced. Otherwise they will open up a can of worms that didn't need to be opened, and it will only frustrate players, coaches, and fans.

Anyway - just my two cents.

Go Trine!

[Pat Coleman]

Such a penalty would have to be "obvious in written form" and be "obvious" from afar (visual hand or body signals by the player flagged) to be correctly and fairly enforced. Otherwise they will open up a can of worms that didn't need to be opened, and it will only frustrate players, coaches, and fans.

Couldn't agree with you more here. This could be really problematic. Hope it's only used in the most obvious cases.

[formerd3db]

I agree with all of you as well regarding the points being taken off for taunting.  That is a ridiculous rule, however, the rule against taunting directed at other players and/or bringing attention to one's self after scoring i.e. excessive celebration (which is actually referred to as unsportsmanlike conduct) is warrented.  I agree that the NCAA has taken that celebration rule to an absurd extent - players should be allowed to exhibit their emotion - as long as is not that extreme individual, over excessive and arrogant bringing attention to one's self that many players do.  IMO, that has no place in the game and as you said goes against the truth that "there is no 'I' in the team concept".  And in that regard, I don't buy the theory that "kids are kids" - they know better and particularly if they are told about this, just as they are about NCAA rules violations regarding agents, taking $ from boosters, etc.  The "poor kid" from the ghetto excuse doesn't fly in that either, although that is another topic for another time   All that being said, I totally agree with you guys that the NCAA will have to make sure this rule is "written in stone" so that the officials know how to enforce this in a consistent manner.  It can be done - the NCAA just has to make sure they do their job correctly in this regard - something of which they have fallen pitifully short of in many other aspects.  Just MO. 

[formerd3db]

Raider68:

I think you are right on that as well i.e. regarding the difficulty in trying "catch and call" the now outlawed tripleteaming rule - or as I call it...the "Getting Creamed Prevention" Rule!

They prohibited the "Flying Wedge" V a long time ago and I liked that play (especially since it worked so well in the main Hope College cafeteria when trying to get your food through the mass of students crowding around certain sections.   However, I guess safety comes first.

[formerd3db]

Oh my gosh!  The DIII full feature length film by former DIII player Marshall Cook, the trailer of which is previewed on the front webpage of this site, looks hilarious. After seeing this, I immediately thought it brings us back to the "Animal House" mentality of our/my (yes, I'll admit to it also ) college playing days and (secretly ) I laughed my arse off while viewing the trailer . Of course, I'm much more matured and refinded now. However, I will also add/ask this: a) I'm not sure many of our DIII college administrators, presidents, AD's, coaches, etc., would/will be pleased in seeing this when it comes out and b) do you not think it might reflect in, shall we say a not so flattering, or quite frankly an unfavorable way on DIII football?  What say 'ye, my fellow DIII'er's?

[ThunderHead]

Any movie with Andy Dick I normally laugh when watching. I'm one of those dry humor guys and way to often I laugh at my own jokes while others around me just give me blank faces  . But who cares...as long as I still find those junks funny they are worth telling.

Anyway - I'm sure some will not think favorably of the movie, perhaps those who are administrators will shake their collective heads and sigh. But who cares. Most people don't even know there is such thing as D3 football, I like the exposure. Sure it may lead some to think it's bush league, underfunded, and not worth the price of admission to watch. But - that's 98% of the populations view anyway. Just look at attendance in "general". It's a far cry from the big D1 programs that most people associate "college football" with. And that's no knock on our beloved D3 universe.

We are lucky at Trine, we have a great product to watch on the field with great facilities that in large part have come as result of "winning" to such an extent that it would make Charlie Sheen jealous. The town has really been waiting for Trine to come into its own, as there isn't much to do in Angola believe it or not. So having a recent college football power, even at the D3 level, is still better then not having a team at all. (or a losing one). For every team in the MIAA, I'm sure the players enjoy playing in front of a "large" excited crowd. Over the last few years Trines lead the MIAA in attendance and we're proud of that, yet that's still on or under 5,000 people. So - it's not like we're filling the Horse Shoe and I think that simply reflects the level of interest in D3 football as a whole. If we were in a big city would we sell as well? Maybe, and maybe not.

So what damage could a movie do? Maybe attendance will go up, simply because people will think the comedy mimics real D3 football, but they might just come back. Not because it's funny like the comedy, but because they have become fans.

Just my two cents.

Go Trine!

[Raider 68]

Any movie with Andy Dick I normally laugh when watching. I'm one of those dry humor guys and way to often I laugh at my own jokes while others around me just give me blank faces  . But who cares...as long as I still find those junks funny they are worth telling.

Anyway - I'm sure some will not think favorably of the movie, perhaps those who are administrators will shake their collective heads and sigh. But who cares. Most people don't even know there is such thing as D3 football, I like the exposure. Sure it may lead some to think it's bush league, underfunded, and not worth the price of admission to watch. But - that's 98% of the populations view anyway. Just look at attendance in "general". It's a far cry from the big D1 programs that most people associate "college football" with. And that's no knock on our beloved D3 universe.

We are lucky at Trine, we have a great product to watch on the field with great facilities that in large part have come as result of "winning" to such an extent that it would make Charlie Sheen jealous. The town has really been waiting for Trine to come into its own, as there isn't much to do in Angola believe it or not. So having a recent college football power, even at the D3 level, is still better then not having a team at all. (or a losing one). For every team in the MIAA, I'm sure the players enjoy playing in front of a "large" excited crowd. Over the last few years Trines lead the MIAA in attendance and we're proud of that, yet that's still on or under 5,000 people. So - it's not like we're filling the Horse Shoe and I think that simply reflects the level of interest in D3 football as a whole. If we were in a big city would we sell as well? Maybe, and maybe not.

So what damage could a movie do? Maybe attendance will go up, simply because people will think the comedy mimics real D3 football, but they might just come back. Not because it's funny like the comedy, but because they have become fans.

Just my two cents.

Go Trine!

Thunderhead,

Welcome to the MIAA board from a guest of this board! The MIAA posters have been very kind to a OAC poster. Know you will enjoy them as I do! +k