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[Uncle Rico]

Whomever is QB is not going to be burdened with having to do it all...they will have a very good running game.  There will still be a balanced offense.   Pick your poison. 

I think Hargraves game time experience, knowing the system, having been able to work with the offense, recievers, and coaches for a couple of years does give him an advantage.  Whomever gets the nod at QB will have earned it against good competition.  I don't think the coaches will feel rushed into putting someone into the position.

[ThunderHead]

Uncle Rico - I agree, except on the issue of "being in the system longer". If this was a D1 program, no doubt that would be a HUGE factor, but I just don't see it at the D3 level. Him getting mop up-time I don't think equates to an advantage, and I don't think the learning curb regarding that offense will be all that difficult given the past experience of the new comers.

I do think familiarity with the receivers and familiarity with the coaches does favor Ryan though, that much I agree with you on. But maybe Trines best receiver is a incoming freshman too! Wouldn't that be cool.

You are absolutely right on to say the coaches will take their time picking a guy, and who ever wins the job will be worthy of it. It also seems like it will keep the pressure on whoever the winner is to study and play hard, given the guys waiting in the wings...whoever they may be.

Either way, it' good for Trine. And anything good for Trine, is good with me.

Go Trine!

[sflzman]

Uncle Rico - I agree, except on the issue of "being in the system longer". If this was a D1 program, no doubt that would be a HUGE factor, but I just don't see it at the D3 level. Him getting mop up-time I don't think equates to an advantage, and I don't think the learning curb regarding that offense will be all that difficult given the past experience of the new comers.

I do think familiarity with the receivers and familiarity with the coaches does favor Ryan though, that much I agree with you on. But maybe Trines best receiver is a incoming freshman too! Wouldn't that be cool.

You are absolutely right on to say the coaches will take their time picking a guy, and who ever wins the job will be worthy of it. It also seems like it will keep the pressure on whoever the winner is to study and play hard, given the guys waiting in the wings...whoever they may be.

Either way, it' good for Trine. And anything good for Trine, is good with me.

Go Trine!

Yeah, you never know. You might get stuck with an Alma situation from last year.

Freshman gets the job. Junior quits. Freshman ruled ineligable. Then you're left with no QB.....

I'm sure Trine's 3rd and 4th QB situations are much better than our's last year.

[BOYA87]

Hey everybody!  It has been awhile but glad to see the discussion is still alive and kicking! 

First of all, welcome Thunderhead!  Nice to have another Trine poster on here.

Secondly I wanted to touch on the topic of Hargraves experience in the system.  At this level experience in a system is a HUGE advantage!  Take Eric Watt for example.  He had the amazing opportunity to start for 4 years in our program. Now Eric has always been a phenominal athlete.  Over his 4 years he did a great job improving his strength and skills but regarless he has always been a phenominal athlete.  However his freshman year was still very shakey and a struggle to get to 6-4 (which 6-4 was a pretty amazing year for us at the time). But at that time our nationally ranked defense covered up a lot of holes and mistakes in the offense. Even with his sophmore year undefeated season he still made some young mistakes but had a much better understanding of the system and allowed the offense to put more and more into the playbook to utilitze his abilities and to make ourselves harder to scout.  His experience and knowledge over his 4 years is what set him up for the ability to make such an amazing run for the team and himself winning the Gagliardi trophy.

There have been countless numbers of athletes who were the best player in their respected HS leagues and expected to continue being the best in their college careers.  But needless to say those players either didnt have the heart to work or the mind to adapt to new systems and their careers ended with quitting or transfering.

I think Hargraves should feel very positive about his position an opportunity at hand.  It is his job for the taking with a lot of hard work and heart

[Uncle Rico]

Well said, BOYA87.  I would +K ya but I don't rank high enough yet. 

[Uncle Rico]

Uncle Rico - I agree, except on the issue of "being in the system longer". If this was a D1 program, no doubt that would be a HUGE factor, but I just don't see it at the D3 level. Him getting mop up-time I don't think equates to an advantage, and I don't think the learning curb regarding that offense will be all that difficult given the past experience of the new comers.

Hargraves had a fair amount of playing time in "NON" mop up when Watt was hurt this past season.  He got time in with the starters, and he handled it well.

[ThunderHead]

 I hear what you guys are saying, and I think there is a lot of merrit to your points.

May the best guy win. Either way it will help Trine football. I just think if a guys smart he's smart. I wouldn't count anyone out, including Ryan. I just think trines offense and D3 defensive sets are not overly complicated, it comes down to execution, and I think execution is about more then just experience, as I'm sure these new guys have come from complicated systems too. I don't think they'll be so over whelmed it will effect their production by this fall. There is always a learning curb, no doubt. I just don't see that curb as being a mountian that can't be overcome.

But who knows, like I said, i think coach land will make the best choice. 

[Green Dragoon]

I hear what you guys are saying, and I think there is a lot of merrit to your points.

May the best guy win. Either way it will help Trine football. I just think if a guys smart he's smart. I wouldn't count anyone out, including Ryan. I just think trines offense and D3 defensive sets are not overly complicated, it comes down to execution, and I think execution is about more then just experience, as I'm sure these new guys have come from complicated systems too. I don't think they'll be so over whelmed it will effect their production by this fall. There is always a learning curb, no doubt. I just don't see that curb as being a mountian that can't be overcome.

But who knows, like I said, i think coach land will make the best choice. 

Yoder is also a 3.91 GPA student.

[ThunderHead]

  Oh boy....

[cave2bens]

I hear what you guys are saying, and I think there is a lot of merrit to your points.

May the best guy win. Either way it will help Trine football. I just think if a guys smart he's smart. I wouldn't count anyone out, including Ryan. I just think trines offense and D3 defensive sets are not overly complicated, it comes down to execution, and I think execution is about more then just experience, as I'm sure these new guys have come from complicated systems too. I don't think they'll be so over whelmed it will effect their production by this fall. There is always a learning curb, no doubt. I just don't see that curb as being a mountian that can't be overcome.

But who knows, like I said, i think coach land will make the best choice. 

I really hope you mean "curve" and not "curb?"   

[Flying Dutchman56]

Hi All,

While I'm a new posting member of this board, I have been a regular viewer since my playing days several years ago now.  Hopefully I can add some positive in-sights and observations on this board to my fellow MIAA followers.

Just as an fyi the below was released today from Hope.

‎2011 Hope College Football Captains Have Been Elected By The Team:
Senior safety Kyle Warren, Junior fullback Brian Lynn, Senior offensive tackle Josh Droppers, and Senior defensive lineman, Ben VanAusdall.

PS - I apologize if I make some rookie posting mistakes - I'm sure I'll get the "blocking and tackling" of using this board before too long!

[Pat Coleman]

Welcome aboard! How long ago did you graduate?

[Raider 68]

Flying Dutchman56,

Welcome to the Boards, You join a very highly regarded member in formerd3db!

[ThunderHead]

Ha - yup I sure did mean curve and not curb, thanks for catching that.

Spring game was great today, probably a few hundy there. Decent weather and a lot of fun.

[Flying Dutchman56]

Pat,

Back in the spring of 2008, so not too long ago - I've been "active" watching this board since my high school days though!

Thanks Raider 68!