FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Mr. Ypsi]

TH, I happen to agree with you about the LOS battles - UM lost badly.

As to Heisman talk for Denard - did you see the first UM TD?  Classic D-Rob.   He turned a 5-yard sack into a TD!  If he was even an adequate passer (alas, I'm not holding my breath), he'd be easily the front-runner.  Easily the most exciting player in college football, whether or not the best.  (The first play he ever took at UM he fumbled the snap, picked it up and ran for a TD.)  He's Barry Sanders (and unfortunately probably passes no better than Barry)!

sac, have to agree with you about the ball-spotting today.  To balance my earlier remarks (now that I've cooled down a bit ), the time-out that Dantonio lost in the first half challenging the spot that gave UM 1st and ten on a 4th down play on the fake FG - I strongly suspect Dantonio was right, though the replays were not 'conclusive evidence' to overturn the ruling on the field.  I thought initially (and on replays) that he was probably 6 inches short.

[ThunderHead]

Oh I just had to share this, as I'm still laughing about it. Perhaps by my wood shed comment, Kovacs knew what I was talking about.


This is from Sports Illustrated:

So while they may call Michigan State a dirty team from their ivory towers 65 miles southeast in Ann Arbor, Narduzzi isn't worried. Michigan Men can call the Spartans dirty all they want. But they can't call them losers. "I know we're 4-0 against them in the past four years," Narduzzi said.

Indeed, Michigan State completed its first four-game sweep of Michigan since 1959-62, and everyone in green basked in the glow. The student section chanted "Little Sisters" at the Wolverines, and senior guard Jared McGaha carried the Paul Bunyan Trophy off the field Saturday while fellow senior guard Joel Foreman held up four fingers. The Spartans -- who bravely played on even after Nike accidentally delivered them a crate containing Colorado State's uniforms -- didn't have to call Michigan soft. The Wolverines did that themselves. "They were definitely more physical," Michigan safety Jordan Kovacs said. "They pounded us. They beat us up."


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The next time Robinson dropped back to throw, he threw directly to Michigan State's Lewis, who intercepted and returned it 39 yards for the clinching score. Teammates hoisted Lewis onto their shoulders. Still holding the ball, he hopped down and ran to the sideline to celebrate. As Lewis ran by, a Michigan manager stripped the safety of the ball, which is property of the University of Michigan. It was the best defensive play someone in maize and blue made all day.

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Here's a better question. Is this the same Michigan State team? The Spartans now must prepare for a visit from Wisconsin, which looks less like the team Michigan State beat last year in East Lansing and more like the Alabama team that annihilated the Spartans in the Capital One Bowl. If the Spartans want to prove something to the nation, they'll have to do it against the Badgers.

Because beating Michigan has just gotten too easy for Michigan State.


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And UR - maybe some day we can trade, I'll give you my Green and bronze glasses, and you can give me sip of that Trine Blue Gatorade you love so much...

[Uncle Rico]

TH...If you want to view things with your Green and White...er Green and Bronze colored glasses and call that a beat down you can do that all you want.     Coach D's well disciplined team did a fair job of keeping Michigan in the game with all the personal foul / penalties. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

TH...If you want to view things with your Green and White...er Green and Bronze colored glasses and call that a beat down you can do that all you want.     Coach D's well disciplined team did a fair job of keeping Michigan in the game with all the personal foul / penalties.

124 yards in penalties (would have been 140, but at least two were just 'half the distance to the goalline) will do that.  Some were simply dumb (the PF for a hit 3 yards out of bounds that wasn't even a fierce hit), others were flagrantly dirty.  Three of the PFs were obviously deliberate attempts to injure Denard (two late hits where the defender [offender!] then threw him down on his throwing shoulder, and the late hit after a Robinson run where Gholston grabbed his facemask and twisted it at least 120 degrees).  I was very disappointed to see it, but MSU today was flat-out a dirty team.  I generally root for any Michigan team against any out-of-state team (well, excluding IWU! ), but I sincerely hope Wisconsin puts up 70 on them next week.

[ThunderHead]

Regarding the "dirty plays"

"That's what we wanted - 60 minutes of unnecessary roughness." - Pat Narduzzi. MSU Defensive Coordinator.

Can't blame the kids for playing the way they're called to by PN. While I have a mixed reaction, I think it's a fine line. I haven't seen the film, so I'll reserve comment, and of course, seeing it live isn't the same as seeing things up close.

[Uncle Rico]

TH...If you want to view things with your Green and White...er Green and Bronze colored glasses and call that a beat down you can do that all you want.     Coach D's well disciplined team did a fair job of keeping Michigan in the game with all the personal foul / penalties.

124 yards in penalties (would have been 140, but at least two were just 'half the distance to the goalline) will do that.  Some were simply dumb (the PF for a hit 3 yards out of bounds that wasn't even a fierce hit), others were flagrantly dirty.  Three of the PFs were obviously deliberate attempts to injure Denard (two late hits where the defender [offender!] then threw him down on his throwing shoulder, and the late hit after a Robinson run where Gholston grabbed his facemask and twisted it at least 120 degrees).  I was very disappointed to see it, but MSU today was flat-out a dirty team.  I generally root for any Michigan team against any out-of-state team (well, excluding IWU! ), but I sincerely hope Wisconsin puts up 70 on them next week.

I am figuring they will lay an egg like last year at Iowa or in whatever bowl game they go to.   I will say that both Michigan and msu were taken to the wood shed in last seasons bowl games.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Regarding the "dirty plays"

"That's what we wanted - 60 minutes of unnecessary roughness." - Pat Narduzzi. MSU Defensive Coordinator.

Can't blame the kids for playing the way they're called to by PN. While I have a mixed reaction, I think it's a fine line. I haven't seen the film, so I'll reserve comment, and of course, seeing it live isn't the same as seeing things up close.

One can hope that referees of all future MSU games read that quote!

Unless he "misquoted himself", I do not believe Narduzzi belongs in coaching.  The Mafia, perhaps, but not coaching.

[ThunderHead]

 

TH...If you want to view things with your Green and White...er Green and Bronze colored glasses and call that a beat down you can do that all you want.     Coach D's well disciplined team did a fair job of keeping Michigan in the game with all the personal foul / penalties.

124 yards in penalties (would have been 140, but at least two were just 'half the distance to the goalline) will do that.  Some were simply dumb (the PF for a hit 3 yards out of bounds that wasn't even a fierce hit), others were flagrantly dirty.  Three of the PFs were obviously deliberate attempts to injure Denard (two late hits where the defender [offender!] then threw him down on his throwing shoulder, and the late hit after a Robinson run where Gholston grabbed his facemask and twisted it at least 120 degrees).  I was very disappointed to see it, but MSU today was flat-out a dirty team.  I generally root for any Michigan team against any out-of-state team (well, excluding IWU! ), but I sincerely hope Wisconsin puts up 70 on them next week.

I am figuring they will lay an egg like last year at Iowa or in whatever bowl game they go to.   I will say that both Michigan and msu were taken to the wood shed in last seasons bowl games.

UR - I know a lot of my fellow Trine people like to live in the land of last season  but last year was last year. BTW I didn't know you drove that bus, I seen it half time of home coming, pretty neat.

Mr. Ypsi - like I said, I think it's a fine line. PN definitely belongs in football, maybe not elementary education, but football - yes, he definitely does. It's an emotional game, that was a good win for them, and he's coaching the number one overall defense in the country that shut down Denard "the greatest player in college fooball" Robinson and company statistically.

I'm sure he may not mean exactly what he said, and I don't think we should look to far into it. After all, what is necessary roughness? 

[sac]

I'll help you out TH



That is William Gholston, he was flagged for it and somehow not thrown out of the game.  Then Mr. Zero Tolerance disciplinarian put him right back in the ball game.

and since you're fond of quoting national news media to make your points.......from CBS Sports

"Will Gholston had a fine day for the Spartans, but he probably shouldn't have been on the field for the fourth quarter. In the third quarter, Gholston was flagged for piling on Denard Robinson well after the play was over, then wrenching Robinson's helmet around for good measure. Later in the quarter, Gholston was being manhandled away from the play by Michigan OL Taylor Lewan, and when Gholston made it to his feet, he summarily punched Lewan in the facemask. Famed referee Mike Pereira said on Twitter that he would have ejected Gholston, and it's entirely possible that MSU or the Big Ten will suspend Gholston next week when Wisconsin comes to town."


The wrenching of Denard's helmet was clearly an act intent to injure, it brought up memories of Robert Reynolds vs Wisconsin.  I suspect Dantonio will suspend Will for Sunday's film session. 

[Uncle Rico]

TH...If you want to view things with your Green and White...er Green and Bronze colored glasses and call that a beat down you can do that all you want.     Coach D's well disciplined team did a fair job of keeping Michigan in the game with all the personal foul / penalties.

124 yards in penalties (would have been 140, but at least two were just 'half the distance to the goalline) will do that.  Some were simply dumb (the PF for a hit 3 yards out of bounds that wasn't even a fierce hit), others were flagrantly dirty.  Three of the PFs were obviously deliberate attempts to injure Denard (two late hits where the defender [offender!] then threw him down on his throwing shoulder, and the late hit after a Robinson run where Gholston grabbed his facemask and twisted it at least 120 degrees).  I was very disappointed to see it, but MSU today was flat-out a dirty team.  I generally root for any Michigan team against any out-of-state team (well, excluding IWU! ), but I sincerely hope Wisconsin puts up 70 on them next week.

I am figuring they will lay an egg like last year at Iowa or in whatever bowl game they go to.   I will say that both Michigan and msu were taken to the wood shed in last seasons bowl games.

UR - I know a lot of my fellow Trine people like to live in the land of last season  but last year was last year. BTW I didn't know you drove that bus, I seen it half time of home coming, pretty neat.

Except for the here and now, this very moment, isn't everything in the past?  I am just referring to the most recent time they were in a bowl game, and the most recent time they played Iowa.  I am just sharing other woodshed moments.   

[sac]

Here found a video of Gholston's wrenching Denard's facemask......there is simply no place in the game for this.  Note the penalty is for the late hit, not the facemask which makes me believe the refs missed this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM18sAZRnIU&feature=player_embedded

Here's the video of his punch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AhbZoU4w-Xo

[ThunderHead]

UR - common, you left the door open, I had to walk through it. 

sac - thanks for the film, from that short clip you showed me, it looked over the line. Though there maybe more to it then that. I don't know. I trust Coach D or the Big Ten to make the correct call. Sometimes even as a coach you miss things in the heat of the moment, and can't appropriately comment or pass judgment on it until after the game. Obviously the play was to other side and down field, so it's not impossible that the staff wasn't looking at it and won't see it till film tomorrow.

I will say at the NW game it looked to me like a Michigan player tried to rip the head off a NW player with intent, actually grabbing his face-mask on later replay. So, I know this isn't uncommon to some degree.

Regarding the article, ironically I know Mike Pereira, I was unaware however, that he twittered. 

I'm sure you're disappointed with Michigan's performance though SAC, but realistically the team was quite over hyped. Hang in there, I'm sure over the next few years Hoke will get them to the point of creditability within the conference again. 

[sac]

Here's a little gem from today's homecoming weekend at Hope.

Hope v Albion football attendance: 3,380

Hope v Calvin soccer attendance:  3,527

[ThunderHead]

I do want to point out one thing, as I've seen it posted by Michigan fans on the video clips, the comment is: "Coach Dantonio recruits thugs" - while not an all together surprising take by Michigan fans, I think I should point out that Michigan recruited him hard and also offered him a scholarship. He choose MSU over Michigan, Alabama, Florida, Wisconsin, and USC to name a few.

[Uncle Rico]

I do want to point out one thing, as I've seen it posted by Michigan fans on the video clips, the comment is: "Coach Dantonio recruits thugs" - while not an all together surprising take by Michigan fans, I think I should point out that Michigan recruited him hard and also offered him a scholarship. He choose MSU over Michigan, Alabama, Florida, Wisconsin, USC to name a few.

They all might have recruited thugs, but the thugs choose msu.       Just kidding!  That was too easy!