FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sflzman]

From the Alma job posting:

demonstrated commitment or experience working with diverse populations

Lol we're one of the whitest teams/campuses you'll find

[sac]

So the Big East realigned itself today with a few new additions.  I found their new logo.

[Raider 68]

So the Big East realigned itself today with a few new additions.  I found their new logo.

sac,

Well done! +k

[ThunderHead]

It's interesting to me that the MIAA hoops board is so "alive" with many posters.

To what do we attribute this to? The number of games played, the lack of things to do in the winter, or is hoops just more popular at most MIAA schools? OR does Hope and Calvin run the show over on the MBB forum? 

[Mr. Ypsi]

It's interesting to me that the MIAA hoops board is so "alive" with many posters.

To what do we attribute this to? The number of games played, the lack of things to do in the winter, or is hoops just more popular at most MIAA schools? OR does Hope and Calvin run the show over on the MBB forum? 

The hoops board is probably at least 80% Hope and Calvin posters, and they probably make at least 90% of the posts.  The absense of the Hope-Calvin rivalry in football I'm sure dramatically cuts into football posting.

I'm not at all sure that bball is more popular than fball across the MIAA, but fball lacks THE big rivalry.

[formerd3db]

I would agree with you Mr. Ypsi in that football has historically been "king" in the MIAA and, of course, Albion's Stagg Bowl national championship in 1994.  The Hope/Albion rivalry has (admittedly ) arguably been the major football focus for many years despite the slight decline in overall "upper tier" results for both of those programs in recent years.  Basketball has essentially been the Hope/Calvin rivalry for several decades with the high success of both those programs and Calvin's two national championships for men (although Hope and Alma's women's teams have won the national championship in basketball - Alma once, Hope twice).  With bias, of course, for me, football will always be "king" here.

[sflzman]

I would agree with you Mr. Ypsi in that football has historically been "king" in the MIAA and, of course, Albion's Stagg Bowl national championship in 1994.  The Hope/Albion rivalry has (admittedly ) arguably been the major football focus for many years despite the slight decline in overall "upper tier" results for both of those programs in recent years.  Basketball has essentially been the Hope/Calvin rivalry for several decades with the high success of both those programs and Calvin's two national championships for men (although Hope and Alma's women's teams have won the national championship in basketball - Alma once, Hope twice).  With bias, of course, for me, football will always be "king" here.

There's a few big rivalries in the MIAA Football, just not necessarily as publicized.

Albion/Alma I believe is the oldest (or most games played - somethin along those lines), while Albion Olivet (or is it Kzoo Olivet? OC_SID should be able to help since he provided the info to ESPN) was on ESPN's College football live a few summers ago when it did the 50 states in 50 days thing.

[Mr. Ypsi]

There has been talk on the bball board that (with the retirement/dying off of the most adamant opponents) Calvin may finally be close to taking up football.  Anyone have updates?

Since Hope/Calvin seems to be THE big rivalry (not discounting others, but that one is right up there with Wabash/DePauw and Amherst/Williams in d3, and probably comparable to Michigan/Ohio St., Duke/UNC, etc., at any level), I suspect that within a short time the MIAA fball board would be cranking out the pages like the MIAA bball board.

[Though my hope would be that the fball board would stay more balanced in terms of participation than the bball board tends to be. ]

[ThunderHead]

Ok thanks for the input on all this.

[sflzman]

There has been talk on the bball board that (with the retirement/dying off of the most adamant opponents) Calvin may finally be close to taking up football.  Anyone have updates?

Since Hope/Calvin seems to be THE big rivalry (not discounting others, but that one is right up there with Wabash/DePauw and Amherst/Williams in d3, and probably comparable to Michigan/Ohio St., Duke/UNC, etc., at any level), I suspect that within a short time the MIAA fball board would be cranking out the pages like the MIAA bball board.

[Though my hope would be that the fball board would stay more balanced in terms of participation than the bball board tends to be. ]

It's hard to get anything in on the bball board that's not about hope or calvin I'd hate to see the fball board like that

[Mr. Ypsi]

There has been talk on the bball board that (with the retirement/dying off of the most adamant opponents) Calvin may finally be close to taking up football.  Anyone have updates?

Since Hope/Calvin seems to be THE big rivalry (not discounting others, but that one is right up there with Wabash/DePauw and Amherst/Williams in d3, and probably comparable to Michigan/Ohio St., Duke/UNC, etc., at any level), I suspect that within a short time the MIAA fball board would be cranking out the pages like the MIAA bball board.

[Though my hope would be that the fball board would stay more balanced in terms of participation than the bball board tends to be. ]

It's hard to get anything in on the bball board that's not about hope or calvin I'd hate to see the fball board like that

But I haven't sensed any hostility from Hope or Calvin posters to others; in fact, they seem to welcome their input.  The others simply get drowned out by the sheer volume of Hope/Calvin inputs.  Barring a descent into irrelevance by one or both or them (whch seems unlikely), I doubt that will change.  The solution is simply for posters supporting other schools to POST more often!

As we've seen on this board with the dramatic increase in Trine boosters, success leads to posters.  Balance occurs if loyal supporters remain loyal regardless of this year's (or even this decade's) success.  I'm a big fan of sflzman since he has continued despite an incredibly disappointing season for what I sure thought was a contender.  And kudos to those Trine supporters who are still around after what was an unexpectedly disappointing season.

[sflzman]

Awwe you gave me that fuzzy feeling feeling mr ypsi haha

[formerd3db]

Actually, in terms of the earliest start date, Albion/Olivet is the oldest rivalry as they began in 1884 with two games.  However, since that rivalry was interrupted for several years when Olivet temporarily discontinued its membership in the MIAA, that rivalry does not have the most games within its total count.  Indeed, as sflzman has pointed out, Albion/Alma is a very heated rivalry and, just thinking "off the top of my head" without checking the book MIAA FOOTBALL , perhaps it might have the most total games, although I could be wrong, since Olivet/Kazoo and Kazoo/Albion both were started before the Alma/Albion rivalries.   Hope/Kazoo is an old one, however, Hope was not in the MIAA when that started after the turn of the last century.  Anyway, it is interesting to review the MIAA history of these rivalries.

Also, I have not heard any updates with regard to the Calvin consideration of adding football.  As to our board, we have had tremendous participation this year and good discussions and, yes, good banter here, even when we have disagreed on various aspects.  We have a good board IMO.

[sac]

Most played MIAA rivalries

Albion-Kalamazoo  126 games (also most played in basketball)
Albion-Olivet 111 games
Albion-Alma  110 games
Alma-Kzoo -101 games
Olivet-Kzoo - 102 games

---------------------

Unfortunately yes the basketball board is dominated by Hope/Calvin posters.  I've done my best to keep the info on other teams involved but it gets drowned out a lot.   It also seems that most contributions from posters about other teams have either been to ...

A) bitch about Hope or Calvin
B) bitch about not talking about other teams enough
C)  our team got screwed by the refs vs Hope or Calvin.
D)  all of the above, sometimes in one post.

Its unfortunate but people want to focus on their own teams, there's nothing wrong with that.  I can understand the frustrations of seeing nothing but posts about Hope and Calvin.   Hope has led D3 in basketball attendance for several years, and Calvin is almost always in the top 3 when they haven't led it themselves.  There are just a lot more Hope and Calvin posters who care about basketball.  They are also the two biggest schools in the MIAA by a lot.

[Raider 68]

sflzman,

Congrats on reaching the +100k!  +k