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[formerd3db]

you dont speak facts though you speak your opinion, and that is a fact

Hey Thunderstorm, They are starting my boy. Nate Warra is a 4 year starting senior. Preseason all American. I assume your talking about Rauch. I don't follow UW Oshkosh very closely but I do know that they play a form of the triple option which is an offense that I'm sure they have taylored around Nates abilities. I would also have to add that if Rauch felt like he would go into Oshkosh 15,000 students and get the start he would be dreaming. (which I'm sure he didn't) Oshkosh cuts over 50 tryouts a year. I follow all the QB's in the WIAC and would not put Rauch at the top of the list. He did become a big interest to many in Wisconsin because he chose to attend Trine University instead of all the D1,D2,and WIAC teams that recruited him. (We think he liked and could learn a lot from Coach Simrel)
Wara is a very popular QB here much like Blanchard who is really my boy. ( Who the Bears cut the other day... sad) All I have heard about Rauch this year is that he threw a bunch of bombs against Dubuque a few weeks ago. He must be a big asset for Oshkosh but I'm sure you won't be seeing him start this year. I don't bash teams, I speak facts which many don't like to hear.

ThunderStorm_3peat:

With all due respect, I seriously doubt that wisd3fan2 would post blatent untruths on here.  While everyone is entitled to their opinions, including you, he and myself, if you have information that refutes/proves otherwise what wisd3fan2 has posted, then you need to share that here as opposed to simply alleging that someone isn't reporting "facts"...because you were the one who brought up the question/topic in the first place.  That's the way we operate our MIAA board here, even when all of us have differing opinions. Thanks.

[MasterJedi]

you dont speak facts though you speak your opinion, and that is a fact

Hey Thunderstorm, They are starting my boy. Nate Warra is a 4 year starting senior. Preseason all American. I assume your talking about Rauch. I don't follow UW Oshkosh very closely but I do know that they play a form of the triple option which is an offense that I'm sure they have taylored around Nates abilities. I would also have to add that if Rauch felt like he would go into Oshkosh 15,000 students and get the start he would be dreaming. (which I'm sure he didn't) Oshkosh cuts over 50 tryouts a year. I follow all the QB's in the WIAC and would not put Rauch at the top of the list. He did become a big interest to many in Wisconsin because he chose to attend Trine University instead of all the D1,D2,and WIAC teams that recruited him. (We think he liked and could learn a lot from Coach Simrel)
Wara is a very popular QB here much like Blanchard who is really my boy. ( Who the Bears cut the other day... sad) All I have heard about Rauch this year is that he threw a bunch of bombs against Dubuque a few weeks ago. He must be a big asset for Oshkosh but I'm sure you won't be seeing him start this year. I don't bash teams, I speak facts which many don't like to hear.

ThunderStorm_3peat:

With all due respect, I seriously doubt that wisd3fan2 would post blatent untruths on here.  While everyone is entitled to their opinions, including you, he and myself, if you have information that refutes/proves otherwise what wisd3fan2 has posted, then you need to share that here as opposed to simply alleging that someone isn't reporting "facts"...because you were the one who brought up the question/topic in the first place.  That's the way we operate our MIAA board here, even when all of us have differing opinions. Thanks.

Last year he said a D2 High School team would have no problem beating UWW and other similarly outrageous stuff. That's why he has negative karma, when he said all of this and everyone said they were bad opinions and not facts like he claimed.

[wisd3fan2]

Let me agree to agree. I speak opinion based on facts. By your name I see that your a Trine fan and I feel your a bit frustrated. Let me say that with coaches like Coach Land and Coach Simrel, Trine will come back to be a great team again. Because they are not just good coaches but great coaches. A lot of folks felt that Trine got so good because of Watt. However when you look deeper you can see that the success was that Watt was so well coached. He was not that good of a passer or a runner but he was very very smart. Great scrambler! Coached to limit mistakes and turnovers. And let me also say that the smartest players on the field have to be your lineman, not your skill positions and Trine has lost many or all of the lineman from those successful years. It takes time to rebuild. We started watching Trine because of our boy Rauch went there, but than we became so impressed with the team. Trine is such a small school but yet became such a powerhouse team. I bet dollars to dounuts that they will become great again!
As far as statements about Rauch, he is a pro style QB, a pocket QB. Trine saw a lot of success by getting Watt outside of the D end. That would be like telling Aaron Rodgers to throw from the flat. Rauch probably felt like he was on Mars. RG3 would have no problem with it. QB and Offense was a bad match. This is I'm sure their starting QB's challenge as well. (Don't remember his name)
When you do decide to go outside you risk holding calls, blocks in the back,QB fumbles, ETC. I think that is what Trine is working their way thru now. They just need some time!

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formerd3db go back and read some of his post you have got to be kidding me.  as for wisd3fan2 I really don't know where to start I just don't see how you can say some of the things you say I mean read what you just wrote in your first paragraph how does half of that make any sense I feel the need to quote or better paraphrase the Principal from the movie Billy Madison "Mr. wisd3fan2, what you've just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this board is now dumber for having read to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." 

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also good point MasterJedi

[wisd3fan2]

I do not want to prolong this conversation, I don't think anyone cares. However my statement last year was about a high school team in wisconsin that is D2 but has been the #1 team in the state for many many years. I beleive they have been 5 years without a loss. Waunakee
They destroy every high school team they play. Many games like 70 to 0. My statement was that Waunakee vs. Whitewater would be a bloodbath. I was talking about their 2010 team. They averaged 292 across their o-line, had great speed, and are coached by the best coach i know personally. I never said they would win, I just stated that it would be a war!!!!   and I stand by what i said. I know Coach Liepold of UWW pretty well and he would agree that 2010 Waunakee was the best High School Team he has ever seen.

[formerd3db]

Thunderstrom and MasterJedi:

No, it"s the other way around - you guys have to be kidding me.  You are missing the entire point here.  I don't care whether you disagree with his opinions regarding possibilities and/or how this team and players are this or that.  We all have differing opinions many times regarding these topics AND it is absolutely inappropriate for anyone to throw negative karma at someone just because you disagree with that person's opinions.  If someone "crosses the line" and inappropriately posts some personal attack or gets nasty, inappropriate language, etc., on someone, that is one thing.  It is entirely another to do otherwise just because you don't like that person's opinion.

However, if someone makes a mis-statement about some stat or something i.e. makes a statement that is simply not true, it is certainly appropriate to call them out on that and present your own information refuting that if it will prove otherwise that the original infor mation was wrong and thus, share that with the readership here.  Otherwise, you guys are getting in a "p****** match" and, while you are welcome here to post with us, we don't need the former here on our board - take it to your own. Thanks.     

[ThunderStorm_3peat]

""Trine Football caught my interest last year after seeing the good game they played against UW Whitewater and the fact that one of our best high school QB's had decided to attend there. I posted and found myself arguing with Thunderhead about the QB he liked and our guy from Wi. Now that the season is over, I see how silly that arguement was. Both of these guys probably figured out the situation with-in days of arriving. In stead of being mentored they were most likely given the plays and thrown out to the lions. This shows them that they chose to play for very lazy coaching. Can you imagine the Badgers treating Wilson in this fashion?? I have not posted much since but have been reading your board. I now see that thunderhead is a very smart guy that really knows his stuff.
I read his posts and saw how critical he was about the coaching staff at Trine and now see that his statements were under statements. In my opinion this coaching staff walked in on a great bunch of players in the class of 2010 and took the credit for their success.
I read posters saying that the players on the sidelines were not cheering for the players on the field. This alone shows the failure of the coaching staff. Moral is one of the primary jobs of a coaching staff and after seeing one of their games was shocked, for this is what we noticed too.
People on this board need to listen to Thunderhead for he tells it as it is, even when  it is painful.
The class of 2010 not only won championships but created a strong recruiting envirnment. I think that the coaching staff not only lost games with probably the best team but also destroyed that edge in recruiting.
I think that the defensive coaches did ok, being very stiff especially in the red zone all year. However the offensive coordinator, O-line coach, and QB coaches are very bad. The calls often times made us laugh. They play like teams of the '50's and '60's. Its 2011!!!
The players were the bright spot, I think they did real well despite poor coaching.
We also feel that the best coach on the team was Ryan Hargraves. This kid did a great job this year. We thought he played scared but now feel that it is not the opponent he feared but was his own coaches.
D3 football is so pure because the players play for the love of the game, however it is very evident that this coaching staff steals that love, shooting themselves in the foot. Changes need to be made!
One  another note, the MIAA champs scored only 3 points against an average WIAC team this year.
Congrats to Albion but play-offs will be a very steep slope.
JUST MY OPINION!!!!
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North Region football / Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« on: October 02, 2011, 05:01:06 pm »
Hi There MIAA
I was not going to post until the end of the season but I think i will post now. All 5 of us QB's gave up the Wis vs Neb game to drive down to Trine Sat. Alverez had great box seats for us:((( We won't be doing that again! I'm not going to pound on Hargraves because I think Thunderhead did that just fine. I also know that many of you will not like to hear what we thought of the game. You think we are bias and you want your home boys to be the stars. However this is our opinion.
7 picks, three luckily dropped, two fumbles, recievers open all over the field and we sit and watch Rauch on the side lines. WHAT??? Rauch is one of Wisconsins top QB,s. This kid is cool as a stone. POISED. Huge arm. Two losses during his high school career. Two undefeated regular seasons as a varsity QB, Two conference champs as a varsity QB. Played in Wi toughest conf!!
Black Belt, Eagle Scout, One of States top ranked Snow Skiers and I could go on and on and on.
He would have blown that team out. Rauch does not loose!
We tryed to talk to him after the game but he had many Wisconsin fans and family around him and we did not want to be rude. (not that he would have told us anything anyways) I have to say that he looked a little upset with the loss but still came off cool and collected. We have no idea what in the world that coaching staff is doing. We are all QB's not coaches. (3 in the NFL) It seems like they are trying to break this kid down and trust me that will not happen. The tougher the team, the colder, the muddier, snow, wind, the better he plays.
We all hope that both Trine and Rauch get it together and get him winning games. And we hope that the offensive coaches really start working with him. The offensive coaching looked real bad!
We were shocked at what we saw. We know you are rebuilding but you have a solid D1 QB on your bench. One other point, Blackport would have done no better than Hargraves did, probably worse. The kid has not played in 3 years. We watched him very close during warm-ups and he looks untrained and all over the place.(mechanics)
I do not post this for debate, it is merely our opinion, what ever thats worth.
If Rauch reads this which I'm sure he won't, we are all behind you. Keep up your hard work. Work every day to get better. Your poise in the pocket is what makes NFL QB,s. You and only you control your destiny!!!!!!!! Wisconsin is proud of Rauch!""



there you go Formerd3db

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and then he has this gem " A lot of folks felt that Trine got so good because of Watt. However when you look deeper you can see that the success was that Watt was so well coached. He was not that good of a passer or a runner but he was very very smart. Great scrambler! Coached to limit mistakes and turnovers. And let me also say that the smartest players on the field have to be your lineman, not your skill positions and Trine has lost many or all of the lineman from those successful years"

you kidding ME

[formerd3db]

and then he has this gem " A lot of folks felt that Trine got so good because of Watt. However when you look deeper you can see that the success was that Watt was so well coached. He was not that good of a passer or a runner but he was very very smart. Great scrambler! Coached to limit mistakes and turnovers. And let me also say that the smartest players on the field have to be your lineman, not your skill positions and Trine has lost many or all of the lineman from those successful years"

you kidding ME

You just made/proved my point.  All the above is his opinion; and BTW, some of it is true. (I'll leave you to spend your time figuring that out. Time to move on from this topic, friend.

[ThunderStorm_3peat]

haha wow, the wooshing sound you hear thats the sound of this going over your head

[hopewatcher]

Hardly.....this seems to be a personal deal between the two of you (or you with him)....take it to another board or PM and settle it.......or better yet let it go....his comments were almost a year ago...here we'd just like to focus on the topics at hand......for fun....and entertainment.....with a little non-personal light banter thrown in......

[hopewatcher]

Sorry I haven't posted sooner on the Hope-Millikin game....I'm just getting to the point that I can talk about it  ....I was there and actually little analysis is needed.....Hope didn't execute or play with passion in any phase of the game......got down 49-6....and although Hope did score the last 2 touchdowns of the game, it was long after it was over.......Millikin is pretty good, but it should have been a more competitive game than it was....I had high hopes for the season...and its way too early to set those aside, but the first two games were too much like a pattern of behavior from last year....it entirely depends on which Hope Team shows up as to whether the game will be competitive or not. Hopefully, the boys learned a lesson last week and will play with far more emotion and execute the way they are capable of.......injuries have been a bit of an issue, but they are putting a good team on the field and should be able to play over that......Regardless, we gotta get this fixed before the MIAA schedule begins.....We'll see what happens this Saturday.
Go Hope!

[wisd3fan2]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1029311/index.htm

[sflzman]

haha wow, the wooshing sound you hear thats the sound of this going over your head

Not to try to step in and fight formers fights because I know for a fact he can fight them himself. But as a fellow poster, as this is a person I respect a lot inside and outside of this board I feel the need to voice my opinion.

Do you not realize how incredibly stupid and ignorant you're sounding? Going over HIS head? Take a step back and re read everything that he has posted. You're ridiculously blinded by your own anger for whatever the reason is and you're not even making sense of this. Don't come on here and start bashing a WIAC poster just because his qb decided he was better than trine and don't sit and bash former because you are failing to comprehend the conversation that is going on here. Wake up. Step back. Cool your jets. And admit that you're in the wrong here.