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[formerd3db]

Unreal.  Doesn't Tommy Tuberville ever stay in one place?  He just took the Cincinnati job today after only a short time at Texas Tech.  As you all recall, he left, Mississippi for Auburn, then jumped ship to Texas Tech.  For some reason, I have this feeling that he is trying to emmulate "The Nomad" i.e. Saban.   Sheeeesh....!

[sac]

Unreal.  Doesn't Tommy Tuberville ever stay in one place?  He just took the Cincinnati job today after only a short time at Texas Tech.  As you all recall, he left, Mississippi for Auburn, then jumped ship to Texas Tech.  For some reason, I have this feeling that he is trying to emmulate "The Nomad" i.e. Saban.   Sheeeesh....!

He was at Auburn for 10 years and had every right to leave after the way they went behind his back trying to lure Petrino there.

There's no way Tubberville takes the Cinci job unless they're joining one of the big conferences.

[formerd3db]

Unreal.  Doesn't Tommy Tuberville ever stay in one place?  He just took the Cincinnati job today after only a short time at Texas Tech.  As you all recall, he left, Mississippi for Auburn, then jumped ship to Texas Tech.  For some reason, I have this feeling that he is trying to emmulate "The Nomad" i.e. Saban.   Sheeeesh....!

He was at Auburn for 10 years and had every right to leave after the way they went behind his back trying to lure Petrino there.

There's no way Tubberville takes the Cinci job unless they're joining one of the big conferences.

You are right about the Auburn deal with Tuberville.  However, I have little respect for them as they've been disingenuous (that's putting it lightly) and sneaky about how they handle almost all aspects including the coaching hires. While I realize not everyone liked Terry Bowden, the way they treated him and let him go was unexcusable.

I think we all agree that we don't necessarily begrudge coaches from leaving for "greener pastures", however, where I have a problem with it is how it is done at times and...I'm not sure that Cincinnati is a "greener pasture" as far as what he had at Texas Tech, although the details of his contract at Cincinnati have not been released.  Tuberville's leaving Mississippi is understandable; I'm not sure I agree in that vein with his leaving Texas Tech. I like Cincinnati and over the years they "overall" have done a good job.  However, it is not the profile program that Texas Tech is, Tuberville is a "southern guy" and...his friend who was in the administration at Auburn in hiring him there is now the AD at Cincinnati and Tuberville admits that is the main reason he took the job.

So we'll see how this one plays out.  Also, I'm not sure where Cincinnati will end up as far as a conference.  I will be surprised if it is really one of the the big ones you are thinking about and as much as I like the Big Ten, they have a long way to go to get to being considered one of those- at least in the eyes of the pundits, but then, who cares what the pundits think?

[Mr. Ypsi]

I SERIOUSLY doubt the Big Ten has eyes on Cincinnati.  It is now clear that this once proud academic conference is now run by the Big Ten Network.  And what customers (i.e., cable companies) could Cincinnati draw that are not already drawn by Ohio State?

I suspect they were already wildly overly optimistic on what Rutgers and Maryland would draw, but at least (in their dreams) they drew New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore/Washington.  I'm not sure they could even fantasize that Cincinnati would add anyone.

[formerd3db]

I SERIOUSLY doubt the Big Ten has eyes on Cincinnati.  It is now clear that this once proud academic conference is now run by the Big Ten Network.  And what customers (i.e., cable companies) could Cincinnati draw that are not already drawn by Ohio State?

I suspect they were already wildly overly optimistic on what Rutgers and Maryland would draw, but at least (in their dreams) they drew New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore/Washington.  I'm not sure they could even fantasize that Cincinnati would add anyone.

I think you are right Mr. Ypsi.  From what the cable/TV college football pundits have said, Ohio State would be against/block the Big Ten administrators from bringing in any team in Ohio (just like Illinois did re: Missouri from the reports we all heard).  Personally, I don't think Cincinnati would be a threat to Ohio State in hurting them in attendance, etc..  Also, Cincinnati wouldn't be any worse - actually would be better to have in the conferenc than Maryland, IMO.  Rutgers is okay/fine.  But again, I think the Big Ten missed out in trying to get Pitt in - from a travel standpoint, that would have been good and also the already longtime established rivalry they have with Penn State.  Nonetheless, you are right in their being overly optimistic about the markets in the eastern areas with Maryland and Rutgers coming in.  Time will obviously tell.

[SaintsFAN]

I SERIOUSLY doubt the Big Ten has eyes on Cincinnati.  It is now clear that this once proud academic conference is now run by the Big Ten Network.  And what customers (i.e., cable companies) could Cincinnati draw that are not already drawn by Ohio State?

I suspect they were already wildly overly optimistic on what Rutgers and Maryland would draw, but at least (in their dreams) they drew New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore/Washington.  I'm not sure they could even fantasize that Cincinnati would add anyone.

Let me give you a first hand perspective on Cincinnati as it relates to Ohio State.  Cincinnati is on an island from the rest of Ohio, its people are territorial.  They wouldn't gain new Big 10 fans by adding Cincy -- those who aren't fans, usually hate Ohio State. 

However -- I view it more like formerd3db does -- they would never add another state school into their own conference (Ohio State).  That way they can still tout the loss to Oberlin in 1921 as being their last loss to an in-state team.  They removed UC from the schedule after the close call at Paul Brown Stadium in September of 2002 -- after they made UC return the trip to Columbus in 2004.

[SaintsFAN]

Unreal.  Doesn't Tommy Tuberville ever stay in one place?  He just took the Cincinnati job today after only a short time at Texas Tech.  As you all recall, he left, Mississippi for Auburn, then jumped ship to Texas Tech.  For some reason, I have this feeling that he is trying to emmulate "The Nomad" i.e. Saban.   Sheeeesh....!

He was at Auburn for 10 years and had every right to leave after the way they went behind his back trying to lure Petrino there.

There's no way Tubberville takes the Cinci job unless they're joining one of the big conferences.

You are right about the Auburn deal with Tuberville.  However, I have little respect for them as they've been disingenuous (that's putting it lightly) and sneaky about how they handle almost all aspects including the coaching hires. While I realize not everyone liked Terry Bowden, the way they treated him and let him go was unexcusable.

I think we all agree that we don't necessarily begrudge coaches from leaving for "greener pastures", however, where I have a problem with it is how it is done at times and...I'm not sure that Cincinnati is a "greener pasture" as far as what he had at Texas Tech, although the details of his contract at Cincinnati have not been released.  Tuberville's leaving Mississippi is understandable; I'm not sure I agree in that vein with his leaving Texas Tech. I like Cincinnati and over the years they "overall" have done a good job.  However, it is not the profile program that Texas Tech is, Tuberville is a "southern guy" and...his friend who was in the administration at Auburn in hiring him there is now the AD at Cincinnati and Tuberville admits that is the main reason he took the job.

So we'll see how this one plays out.  Also, I'm not sure where Cincinnati will end up as far as a conference.  I will be surprised if it is really one of the the big ones you are thinking about and as much as I like the Big Ten, they have a long way to go to get to being considered one of those- at least in the eyes of the pundits, but then, who cares what the pundits think?

I'm trying to find out about Tuberville's reasons for going to Cincy, though I can tell you partially its because his wife is from a Cincy suburb (Guilford IN).  My mother in law knows her pretty well, apparently so I'm going to try to scoop it.  I do know that his wife had been behind the wheel of the car when a pedestrian was killed -- not sure where fault was but the case disappeared. 

[HSCTiger74]

Unreal.  Doesn't Tommy Tuberville ever stay in one place?  He just took the Cincinnati job today after only a short time at Texas Tech.  As you all recall, he left, Mississippi for Auburn, then jumped ship to Texas Tech.  For some reason, I have this feeling that he is trying to emmulate "The Nomad" i.e. Saban.   Sheeeesh....!

He was at Auburn for 10 years and had every right to leave after the way they went behind his back trying to lure Petrino there.

There's no way Tubberville takes the Cinci job unless they're joining one of the big conferences.

You are right about the Auburn deal with Tuberville.  However, I have little respect for them as they've been disingenuous (that's putting it lightly) and sneaky about how they handle almost all aspects including the coaching hires. While I realize not everyone liked Terry Bowden, the way they treated him and let him go was unexcusable.

I think we all agree that we don't necessarily begrudge coaches from leaving for "greener pastures", however, where I have a problem with it is how it is done at times and...I'm not sure that Cincinnati is a "greener pasture" as far as what he had at Texas Tech, although the details of his contract at Cincinnati have not been released.  Tuberville's leaving Mississippi is understandable; I'm not sure I agree in that vein with his leaving Texas Tech. I like Cincinnati and over the years they "overall" have done a good job.  However, it is not the profile program that Texas Tech is, Tuberville is a "southern guy" and...his friend who was in the administration at Auburn in hiring him there is now the AD at Cincinnati and Tuberville admits that is the main reason he took the job.

So we'll see how this one plays out.  Also, I'm not sure where Cincinnati will end up as far as a conference.  I will be surprised if it is really one of the the big ones you are thinking about and as much as I like the Big Ten, they have a long way to go to get to being considered one of those- at least in the eyes of the pundits, but then, who cares what the pundits think?

Until Mike Leach arrived there wasn't really much of a program at Texas Tech, so a move to Cincinnati doesn't feel like that big a dropoff to me. And I think his recruiting might be a little easier as a second-fiddle to OSU rather than being behind UT and A&M (and maybe even Baylor). Also, assuming the monetary packages are even remotely similar, wouldn't you rather live in Cincinnati than Lubbock? 

[formerd3db]

Unreal.  Doesn't Tommy Tuberville ever stay in one place?  He just took the Cincinnati job today after only a short time at Texas Tech.  As you all recall, he left, Mississippi for Auburn, then jumped ship to Texas Tech.  For some reason, I have this feeling that he is trying to emmulate "The Nomad" i.e. Saban.   Sheeeesh....!

He was at Auburn for 10 years and had every right to leave after the way they went behind his back trying to lure Petrino there.

There's no way Tubberville takes the Cinci job unless they're joining one of the big conferences.

You are right about the Auburn deal with Tuberville.  However, I have little respect for them as they've been disingenuous (that's putting it lightly) and sneaky about how they handle almost all aspects including the coaching hires. While I realize not everyone liked Terry Bowden, the way they treated him and let him go was unexcusable.

I think we all agree that we don't necessarily begrudge coaches from leaving for "greener pastures", however, where I have a problem with it is how it is done at times and...I'm not sure that Cincinnati is a "greener pasture" as far as what he had at Texas Tech, although the details of his contract at Cincinnati have not been released.  Tuberville's leaving Mississippi is understandable; I'm not sure I agree in that vein with his leaving Texas Tech. I like Cincinnati and over the years they "overall" have done a good job.  However, it is not the profile program that Texas Tech is, Tuberville is a "southern guy" and...his friend who was in the administration at Auburn in hiring him there is now the AD at Cincinnati and Tuberville admits that is the main reason he took the job.

So we'll see how this one plays out.  Also, I'm not sure where Cincinnati will end up as far as a conference.  I will be surprised if it is really one of the the big ones you are thinking about and as much as I like the Big Ten, they have a long way to go to get to being considered one of those- at least in the eyes of the pundits, but then, who cares what the pundits think?

Until Mike Leach arrived there wasn't really much of a program at Texas Tech, so a move to Cincinnati doesn't feel like that big a dropoff to me. And I think his recruiting might be a little easier as a second-fiddle to OSU rather than being behind UT and A&M (and maybe even Baylor). Also, assuming the monetary packages are even remotely similar, wouldn't you rather live in Cincinnati than Lubbock? 

SaintsFAN and HSCTiger74:

I agree with you both.  As mentioned, Tuberville's reasons for going to Cincy have not really been made public, other than the Cincy AD did mention in the media that they were friends/colleagues from their Auburn time and that was one reason why he contacted Tuberville - and note that it was the Cincy AD who contacted Tuberville, not the other way around.  Also, I do not know (at least have not seen any mention about this) if Tech Tech officials were asked by Cincy's AD if he could have permission to talk with Tuberville or if the initial inquiry of interest was done on a personal basis.

Also, I thought, however, that Spike Dykes had Tech Tech doing pretty well before Leach came, but, again, I agree with you that the recruiting will be somewhat easier for Tuberville in Cincy for the reasons you both mention.  I have this "gut feeling" that the salary compensation will be somewhat about the same (although admittedly, I really have no idea), but I also agree with you that I'd rather live in Cincy than Lubbock, and I do not mean that as a slap at any of you Texans at all.  Just seems to me, more to do in Cincy than way out in Lubbock, Texas.

SaintsFAN, "you 'da man with the scoop!" re: the Cincy scene.   BTW, I know you and the Mrs. went to the Mount Union/UMHB playoff game this past weekend, however, are you going to the Stagg Bowl this year? 

[SaintsFAN]

formerd3db:

Yessir.  It was a tremendous game.  I had to explain to Mrs SF that not every game is going to be like that (we were also at the Pitt/ND 3OT thriller).  I can't get down there on Friday in Salem, but we've put it on the schedule for next year.  I'm going to have a cousin from DC meet us down there too.  Looks like next year is finally the year.  Mrs SF is excited. 

How are things for you?

[formerd3db]

SaintsFAN:

Indeed, and again, I am disappointed I wasn't able to get down there to see it as I mentioned.  Likewise, I am in the same situation as you in not being able to make this week's Stagg Bowl.  Even up to last evening, I was trying to finagle a scenario to somehow work it out to get down there, however, unfortunately, it just isn't going to work out this year.  Thus, as you said, it looks like next year will be the year (at least potentially).  So let's keep each other posted on that and also, perhaps we could get some of our other colleagues here to join us, even if their and our own teams don't make it to the Stagg (as you and I have discussed in recent past years).

I'm surviving, doing okay, at least healthy and am thankful for the latter- thanks for asking.  Anyway, I hope that you and Mrs. SF have a blessed and enjoyable upcoming holiday season with your families.  Please keep in touch and I will do the same as we have.

[DBQ1965]

I know this is off the subject of football ... and I don't won't to wade through each school's athletic webpage ... so ... are there any MIAA schools aside from Olivet that have a wrestling program?

[sigma one]

Alma and Trine sponsor wrestling.  Others?

[sac]

Story about Michigan's Division 7 State Champions Ishpeming.  Worth the read.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/highschool/news/20121212/ishemping/?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t12_a0

[OC_SID]

Alma and Trine sponsor wrestling.  Others?

That's it!