FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[DBQ1965]

Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on." 

[sflzman]

Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose

[Pat Coleman]

Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose

Did they handle it appropriately, though? Just because they did something doesn't mean they did the right thing.

Maybe I'm just against sexual assault, though.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose

Did they handle it appropriately, though? Just because they did something doesn't mean they did the right thing.

Maybe I'm just against sexual assault, though.

Apparently that makes you a member of the "political left"!

After all, the country just elected a President (caught on tape) who bragged about sexual assault.

[formerd3db]

Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on." 

Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose

Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose

Did they handle it appropriately, though? Just because they did something doesn't mean they did the right thing.

Maybe I'm just against sexual assault, though.

Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose

Did they handle it appropriately, though? Just because they did something doesn't mean they did the right thing.

Maybe I'm just against sexual assault, though.

Apparently that makes you a member of the "political left"!

After all, the country just elected a President (caught on tape) who bragged about sexual assault.

To my friends who replied here:

DBQ1965, I fully respect your opinions also and your input here in all aspects.  As the same time, I make no apologies for "piling on" when it comes to speaking up for what is right, nor do I apologize for my anti-political left sentiments (if you are to that side of the conversation, then so be it that is fine.  But I won't apologize for mine leanings either.  So let's all be totally honest and frank here.  Again, I welcome yours and the others opinions here and meant no disrespect.  If you disagree with me, so be it and that is fine.  But I'm entitled to my opinion as well as I will further discuss on this below.

Now, absolutely I do not nor ever would condone the actions as to what the players did and admitted, let along sexual assault -I do not want to hear from any of you that I would and/or am condoning that ever (which, BTW was not proven).  Yet what I object to (and always have) is when double standards occur, which is exactly what happened here-sorry I disagree with you Pat if you are saying that what the administration did a first was not right-perhaps you are only questioning it-and that is two fold...a) where is the accountability of the young women who was involved-she was as much responsible as the young men for her own actions -can we say...do we recall the Duke Lacrosse scandal?, and is essentially given "a pass" on this situation and...b) as sflzman correctly points out, the administration is responsible for their double standard, faulty process (IMO ridiculous in allowing student-government over-trumping the law authorities).  The administration was clearly looking for a scapegoat in Claeys after they caved in to the faulty "PC-correctness" of left supporting groups-period (even the trustee of the Board alluded to that when he reluctantly made the decision according to the reports).  We can argue this to ad-nauseum here-, but that is MO on this.

But this (college football) is a business as we all know (and if we are, again, honest with ourselves) and Minnesota does what any college or university does and that is looks out for its own interests.  And yes, that occurs when they do things that are contrary to what really most people know deep down is the right thing to do (they i.e. Minnesota, have a history of that there-such as even when Holtz was coach).  I just hope that Fleck is able to move this beyond.   

Again, I respect everyone's opinions here-even if I disagree with some of you.  That's just the way life is.

[formerd3db]

On to a more "agreeable" topic, I'm sure.   Thoughts about yesterday's FCS Championship game?  I thought it was a pretty good game.  Pelini's players just couldn't get their offense going to counter James Madison's tremendous defense.  Madison looked like a really great team.  I wonder if their HC Houston will move on right now after only one year?  Also, great attendance at the Toyota Stadium there (almost 15,000) which as I recall (without checking), was somewhat less than last year's game, but still very good.

Regarding other football news, I saw where Northern Michigan, Michigan Tech and Lake Erie College all named new HCs recently.  One of Finlandia's assistants left to go back to Michigan Tech as an offensive assistant (where he played)-he didn't have to go far, rather only just across the river!  I see also where St. Lawrence University in Detroit area is adding football as an NAIA program and is joining the Mid-States conference with Concordia-Ann Arbor, Siena Heights, Taylor, Olivet Nazarene, Marion, St. Francis, St. Xavier, Robert Morris (IL), etc.  Davenport leaves the NAIA and goes to NCAA Div II now in all sports and including the GLIAC for football this year.  Hillsdale, Ohio Dominican, Findley, Lake Erie, Walsh  (and Tiffin as I recall) all leave the GLIAC for the new Ohio DII Mid-west football league (joining Malone and others).  The ever-changing conference alignments continue, even at the other NCAA divisions!

Still awaiting news on the selection of Olivet's new HC.  I'm sure OC_SID and Pat here on d3football will keep us posted when that decision is made and announced officially.  We'll also have to see who Western Michigan chooses as previously mentioned/discussed.

 

[sflzman]

Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose

Did they handle it appropriately, though? Just because they did something doesn't mean they did the right thing.

Maybe I'm just against sexual assault, though.

First of all, I'd like to hope that we all would be against sexual assault - regardless of our opinions on how the administration handled this case.

It's not an argument of whether they handled it correctly the first time or not (which I probably agree with you, they did not) it's just the principal of it all. Administration at the U butchered the case when they allowed the third party group to dig the case up again. The players had been given suspensions, and then faced additional suspensions after the restraining order was granted. After coming to an agreement with the woman involved, the players were finally reinstated and the case was dead and buried.

That's my biggest thing with the whole scenario.

[sac]

Olivet hired its football coach today staying within the current staff
http://olivetcomets.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20170109kdsdc1

[formerd3db]

sflzman: +k, right on the mark.

sac:  Not surprising.  IMO, that is the logical choice and a very good one for Olivet.  Sometimes it is just best to "stay within house".

[DBQ1965]

Message received.  Points taken and  made for both sides.

Now on to the serious stuff ... will Sarkisian make a difference tonght, or will Saban have to take control?

[formerd3db]

DBQ:

No problem, my friend.  We're all still good.

Regarding what we all saw in the game the other night, I thought that Sarkisian did make a tremendous difference.  He mixed up the play calling and avoided the unpredictable usual sequences that most OCs do routinely.  I really liked his throwing in some of those play action semi reverse passes and running plays (I wish Michigan's OC had done that in the 3 games they lost-IMO, that is what cost them those games.)  Yet, in the end, as we saw, Clemson players kept up their perseverance and "ran the good race"-just seemed to want it more.  I can't seem to not wonder if some of the end result may have had a little contribution from the Alabama players having such a cocky attitude (self-confidence from knowing that they are, without question, some very great talented collegiate players -and many soon to be in the NFL-at the top of the game, but sometimes that slight bit of cockiness comes back to haunt you.  I tend to believe just a bit of that happened.  IMO, it was also great to see the humbleness of Clemson's coach and, yes, even QB Watson and a little faith message there-all good.  We won't see any of that ever from Saban.

Regardless, it was a great national championship game and extremely exciting, the kind we like and want to see at all the levels.  Looking over all the NCAA championship football games at FBS, FCS, DII and DIII, I think that occurred finally for a long time.  Now, aside from the remaining college all-star games, I going to try and prepare myself for that usual "winter depression/doldrum" period due to lack of college football that seems to always occur for me, similar to some of all our colleagues here on the boards!  (Not including the Super Bowl, of course, although I readily admit I am not really an NFL fan).

[formerd3db]

Well, that didn't take long, yet was an excellent (and smart, perhaps even obvious) choice.  Tim Lester is the new head coach at Western Michigan University, returning to his alma mater site of his glory days and his second coaching stint there.  I believe he will do a great job at Western. Over on the CCIW board, there have been some postings of rumor that he has offered North Central College's Coach Thorne the QB assistant coach position at WMU, however, that has not yet been confirmed/finalized.  It would be a big change for NCC.

So far, it looks like Lester at Western Michigan's and P.J. Fleck at Minnesota's will be keeping the staffs essentially the same as those have been this past year at those schools, at least for now.  Might not be all that bad.

[formerd3db]

Things keep changing somewhat fast the past 2-3 days.  Apparently, there will be some additional changes at Minnesota and Western, more than initially thought.  ESPN reports that Western Michigan OC Kirk Ciarroca has been offered the same position at Minnesota by Fleck and that Robb Smith, DC at Arkansas is being hired by Fleck also for DC position.

Which means that Western is looking for an OC per new HC Tim Lester; apparently (it has been reported tonight over on the CCIW board) that Jeff Thorne of North Central College turned that position down to stay at NCC.  Coaching carousel continues!

[Pat Coleman]

Things keep changing somewhat fast the past 2-3 days.  Apparently, there will be some additional changes at Minnesota and Western, more than initially thought.  ESPN reports that Western Michigan OC Kirk Ciarroca has been offered the same position at Minnesota by Fleck and that Robb Smith, DC at Arkansas is being hired by Fleck also for DC position.

Which means that Western is looking for an OC per new HC Tim Lester; apparently (it has been reported tonight over on the CCIW board) that Jeff Thorne of North Central College turned that position down to stay at NCC.  Coaching carousel continues!

It was the quarterbacks coach job, according to the discussion.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Things keep changing somewhat fast the past 2-3 days.  Apparently, there will be some additional changes at Minnesota and Western, more than initially thought.  ESPN reports that Western Michigan OC Kirk Ciarroca has been offered the same position at Minnesota by Fleck and that Robb Smith, DC at Arkansas is being hired by Fleck also for DC position.

Which means that Western is looking for an OC per new HC Tim Lester; apparently (it has been reported tonight over on the CCIW board) that Jeff Thorne of North Central College turned that position down to stay at NCC.  Coaching carousel continues!

It was the quarterbacks coach job, according to the discussion.

Yeah, Mugsy speculates (and I concur) that had the offer been OC the response might have been different.  D3 HC to any D1 OC is one thing; D3 HC to MAC position coach is something else, if one is trying to rise in the profession.