FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

Took this from the main page:

"I'm most proud of the fact that we produced student athletes that played the game hard but also did well in school and contributed to the community," Zebrowski said. "We had relationships with Big Brothers & Big Sisters, the Boys & Girls Club and our players read at several elementary schools in the area. Our student-athletes learned how to give back to the community and I think that helped them create a stronger bond with Lakeland."

This is exactly the type of bond that is missing with Adrian.  When you reach out and do things like this, only good will come if and I think that is a lesson to be learned by all schools, not just Adrian.

[WLCALUM83]

Took this from the main page:

"I'm most proud of the fact that we produced student athletes that played the game hard but also did well in school and contributed to the community," Zebrowski said. "We had relationships with Big Brothers & Big Sisters, the Boys & Girls Club and our players read at several elementary schools in the area. Our student-athletes learned how to give back to the community and I think that helped them create a stronger bond with Lakeland."

This is exactly the type of bond that is missing with Adrian.  When you reach out and do things like this, only good will come if and I think that is a lesson to be learned by all schools, not just Adrian.

A side note on Lakeland. That football team was good enough to make the D3 Playoffs in '05, losing to Augustana, IL in the opening round. WLC will get the Muskies in football beginning in '08. The Warriors have been in a heated basketball rivalry with Lakeland for years in the LMC/NathCon--women having more success than men. Lakeland's volleyball and basketball teams have had awesome in-conference home records the last several years.

Just this poster's .04.

[iKNOWstuff]

from what i heard coach embry may get the defensive coord. job at adrian.  coach deere would be able to get it but he is in the same position as klotz (a full time job).  i heard he has a interview sometime this week

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

What you hear and what I know are two differnt things.  Coach Deere would be willing to take the pay cut leave his job as an electrician and take that job, having just spoke with him on wednesday he told me this.  While Im sure that Coach Embry would do  a good job given the time, he does not bring the same experience to the table that Coach Deere does.  Either way I see them as needing to hire a guy from the program as an outside guy wont want to run a defense thats not his. 

[ACRULZ]

What you hear and what I know are two differnt things.  Coach Deere would be willing to take the pay cut leave his job as an electrician and take that job, having just spoke with him on wednesday he told me this.  While Im sure that Coach Embry would do  a good job given the time, he does not bring the same experience to the table that Coach Deere does.  Either way I see them as needing to hire a guy from the program as an outside guy wont want to run a defense thats not his. 

Just how much does the Adrian job pay?  Electricians make pretty good money, to take a pay cut like that Adrian may have to pony up a few bucks to make the pay cut blow a little softer.  Who are the other candidates for the job?  Are they program guys?  It looks like as a whole the Adrian staff is pretty young to begin with.  Could that have had something to do with why they finished 5-5 last season.  Youth is good to a point when you talk about motivation, excitement and passion.  But when it really comes down to crunch time is when you may suffer.  On the other hand, there are some great young coaches out there.  Klotz himself had a pretty solid defense most of his career, he could be no more than what 30 or 31?  Well anyway I wish the Bulldogs the best of luck in their search.

[WLCALUM83]

Regarding the poll question I just put up, refer back to Reply #1188 on Page 80 of this board (Had I put this note in as part of the question, the question would have ran extremely long).

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

The job at adrian from what i know of the guy they hired last year pays 35000 with 5% raises for the first three years.  Coach Deere has already stated he would take the pay cut which I believe he said would be around 17000.  The staff at Adrian is young because they want to have alot of turnover in the intern positions.  The idea by the president is to have three full time staff members and 4 interns who work full time for either 7500 or 15000 a year.  These positions are one year contracts that rotate so the trend would be to have youth in those positions. 

[MIAASUPERMAN]

ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE.................why as an Alum of Adrian, and a recently x-employee do you speak so low of the institution?  Why do you have to air the college's information on d3football.com?  Are you upset that you were fired from the football staff this past winter?  Is that why you speak down on the college and some of the staff members?  Is this the only way that you can get back at the school for letting you go?  If you have that many regrets and problems about AC just let it go instead of giving the college bad publicity on here.  Please explain to me, because it is very disappointing as a parent of a future AC football recruit to read your posts on here every single week.  Some of which make no sense and are ridiculous in nature. 

The rest of the MIAA does not need to know about everything that you hear from a friend within the athletic department.  Nor is that info meant to be posted on this website or Mlive.com. 

Furthermore, my son was called last week about the change in coaches.  The coaching search is being opened up on a national level because the administration wants to bring in a top quality guy who has experience outside of AC.  That came directly from my son's mouth per one of the other assistants. 

[Pat Coleman]

Furthermore, my son was called last week about the change in coaches.  The coaching search is being opened up on a national level because the administration wants to bring in a top quality guy who has experience outside of AC.  That came directly from my son's mouth per one of the other assistants. 

If you have a son playing then why are you posting from the Adrian campus at 1:48 in the morning?

If you guys want to lie about who you are and all that, go post on footballscoop. We don't take that here.

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

MIAASUPERMAN:

FIrst off I would like to know in what way I have talked poorly of the program.  I have mentioned several apects of the new administration that no coach of a Division III institution should be subject to and furthermore I will post on here as I continue to do not as an ex coach, but as an Alumni.  If you for second presume you can understand the inner workings of what is currently going on at Adrian or for one second believe that I do not want to see the Adrian Football program succeed than you are dead wrong.  For 4 years I played for that program, sweat, bled and did more for it than you ever will.  I saw the program rise for a 2-8 doormat to an 8-2 contender my loyalty lies with the program, but in no way does this mean that I am fully in line with the new administration.  Furthermore I do not need to explain myself to you or anyone on my posts and if anything have been putting them up to give the members of this board and this website the best information possible that they deserve.  Never have I said that students should not go to Adrian or run down the program it is a fin program with fine coaches which I still support, rather it is the policies of the admin which I do not believe in and did not believe in when I was still employed at the college.  As for my Mlive comments I clarified what I meant with those and explained my stance for recruits and about the football program once I realized they could be taken in the wrong manner.  In hidnsight it was wrong of me to post on mlive and I was caught up in the lowbrow talk which I aplogized for.

If we want to talk about what comments I have made that speak down of Adrian I assume you are reffering to the posts about apathy from the students and a lack of involvement by Adrian in the community  and perhaps my preseason predictions.  The fact is that Adrians students are apathetic, but if your son chose Adrian or any DIII school to play in front of big crowds than he will be suprised.  This is a fact of the college and you and your son will find out about soon enough.  The comments about the lack of community involvment are true as well, but I would venture to say that they are true across the board at many DIII schools.  As for my preseason predicitons I foresaw a rough year coming even when there so if you think that is because of my leaving the program than you are also mistake.

On another note, we are all friends on this board, the conversation is cordial and personal attacks such as yours are exteremly rare.  I would say that you have already gotten off on the wrong foot as noted by Pat Colemans post to you.  As Pat pointed out it is also hihgly unlikely that you even have a son going to Adrian as you posted at 1:48am from the Adrian campus you are forgetting he can see the IP address.  Your type of post belongs more on Mlive than it does on this board.

[bulldogalum]

DAWG certainly doesn't need my support but I'm going to give it.  You're out of line, MIAASUPERMAN.  If you're posting from the Adrian campus at 1:48 AM, you probably know who DAWG is, and you probably know who I am too.  If you don't, you could find out easily.  We don't hide behind our names here. 

DAWG has always been an honest poster, and his posts have consistently provided thoughtful analysis of MIAA football in general and Adrian football in particular.  He has been more critical of the administration than I have, but perhaps that is the case because I'm not in Adrian fulltime anymore. 

Don't for one second question his loyalty to the Adrian program.  This guy is as passionate a believer in Adrian College athletics as I've ever met, and I can guarantee you that he'll be at every game he can this season.

You, on the other hand, come on here and, without so much as establishing some sort of credible reputation, attempt to attack the character of one of the highly respected posters on this board.  You hold yourself out as a parent, but as Pat mentions, you're posting from the campus in the middle of the night.  Why don't you go back to mlive?

[formerd3db]

MIAASUPERFAN:

Regardless of who you are (parent of prospective Adrian player or current player), you overlook a couple of simple facts and protocol.  First, all of us here on the MIAA board (whether former players or just alumni fans) have extreme pride in our alma maters.  Moreover, while everyone wants to see their colleges improve in many aspects, that does not mean that we always agree with the approaches that the respective administrations take in various areas to achieve the stated goals, whatever they may be (or for that matter, sometimes even the league administraton itself).  Indeed, we may perceive those as being totally opposite of what we personally would like to see; rare, but it does occur on some occasions (and I include myself in that aspect as well).  Secondly, everyone is entitled to their opinions, including you.  Yet even in differing opinions or dissent, courtesy protocol dictates avoidance of personal attacks.  As bulldogalum stated, you overstepped that boundary.  You can state your opinion including with zeal, in a respecful way even if it is a "180" from the others.

DAWG, bulldogalum, WCLalum, D306, ACRULZ and many others are veteran posters on our board and who I believe have been extremely respectful to others when posting their opinions about the various discussions here on this board.  We've had many discussion on many topics here over the recent years and season, and I dare say, I do not recall any of us having delved into a vehemently, personalized disagreement/argument with any of the others, even if we have differing opinions.  As a newcomer here, we welcome your input, opinions and contributions to the discussion, however, we ask that you do it in a respectful manner.  IMO, I would have to agree with bulldogalum that you owe DAWG an apology.  So please "knock it off, clean it up" and join us for some fun, insightful and meaningful discussion about our MIAA and related D3 fb topics.  BTW, just be thankful that we are not as "revengful" as some of the posters on other boards are.    

[79jaybird]

"BTW, just be thankful that we are not as "revengeful" as some of the posters on the other boards are"
Hehe, on the CCIW board we would have skinned you alive.   

We had a similar problem awhile back on the CCIW board with RedBus.  I think he made 4-5 posts, had a karma at -50 or so, and had no significant information to share.

Any more word(s) on who the MIAA favorite is this year?  I really am keeping my eyes on Olivet this year.  I think Coach Livedoti has a good group of returnees and the Comets will be a fast, physical group. 
Then there's always those Blue and Orange Dutch to keep close watch on right former?   

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

79jaybird:

If you look back a couple pages, I have a pretty in depth analysis of the league as I see it, that could give you a decent look if you want to give it a gander.

[ACRULZ]

ADAWG:


I noticed the picture of the O-Line from Adrian under your screen name.  That was the 2003 team that only allowed one sack?  I could swear it was the 2002 team.  Did not DaRonco and Spence, graduate in 2002?  I could be wrong, I just remember following that team very closely.  That 2002 team really sparked the charge for Adrian's resurgence since 2002; although they only finished 6-4 or 7-3 if you count the forfeit from the K-Zoo game.

Also is there anymore word on Adrian's D-Coordinator search?  I haven't heard too much about the candidates?