FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

Pat:

Whats this my2cents guy?  Did he have a post that got removed, what happened?

[Pat Coleman]

Yep.

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Good job, Pat - way to be heads up!

[D306]

Good Call   Pat

We do not need another  ##$$*,  I will leave the site un named.
The basic post reads: someone asks a legitimate question and 20 dolts preceed to rip them to shreads.

This is a great site for actual conversation and debate about D3 sports and college in general.

By the way couple weeks and players report to camp, I can smell football in the air. And no that is not just the "stench" from the Michael Vick nightmare story. Lowest kind of sub human behavior I have heard in a long time.

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

D306:

Couldnt agree with your more about the "other site" and also about Mike Vick.  Im torn because despite the fact that this is his first offense the severity of the crime is outstanding.  I dont know whether he should be suspended and dealt with harshly now or if they should wait until the case goes through and then make a decision.  I would say that if they wait and the case goes through, his 3 co defendants will turn on him to reduce jail time and if convicted I have a hard time seeing Vick not serving time in prison as all charges are felonies.  Its also important to note that this is a federal prosecution, the feds dont make a habit of going to court with people that arent guilty or at least that they cant convict, they do boast a conviction percentage of above 95% which has to be a startling number for both Vick, the Falcons and the NFL.  Needless to say guilty or not, his marketing and popularity will take a big hit.  I myself have viewed him as a thug type guy who was unable to seperate from the streets for the last several years, the way he acts, treats fans and carries himself in the public has never been very endearing.  Players like Vick and Pacman Jones give the NFL a bad name, despite the fact that many of the players in the NFL come from very rough backgrounds the majority are able to seperate and improve themselves and those around them while a few bad apples ruin it for everyone.  For a great example of a guy who had a rough life, take a look at Warrick Dunn and the things hes accomplished.  Its a shame the negative aspects get more press than the positive, but hey thats what sells ads and newspapers I guess.

[Pat Coleman]

D306:

Couldnt agree with your more about the "other site"

Feel free to invite the sane members of that board over.

[HOF]

Mike Vick....nice job punk.   Falcons better call Joey Herrington...lol.

Read the Albion preview yesterday.  Coach Rundle looks like he is staging a good season, but Albion for the first time in a tad, doesn't have that great kicker...on paper....yet.

ADAWG:  I forgot to add a thing or two a week ago and looking back at my post I was talking about the new offensive coordinator at Adrian.  Any news on what he might bring to the table.  Give me your inside Adrian thoughts.

I, myself, think Hope will be tough as nails.  I've talked with a couple of people associated with the program and have heard Rugenstein is gonna be a bear, like he wasn't good last year.  Wow.

Any recruits from the MIAA playing in the East - West Allstar game coming up?

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

HOF:

Well my inside info is a little lacking with the OC. He became OC only after the season and what I saw from the workings was only a preliminary playbook, not the final copy.  Obviously I wont spill anything to telling.  The offense I have seen and heard of so far involves the spread, he is a GVSU guy this last season and brought some concepts from there.  The run game is a zone scheme with some power and it appears he will be fairly imaginitive with formations and the like if his special team coordinating was any insight into the offense.  I would expect to see the ball tossed around a bit he had always seemed to me to lobby for the pass over the run.  He has been all over the board, 9 schools in 14 years so he has experience from several locations.  The last place I know he was OC at was St. Marys which is an NAIA in Kansas.  I dont know how the team did overall but from his bio they were ranked 8th in the NAIA in passing, he also was co OC at Lane where he helped install the spread.  I would imagine you will see more of the same, passing with some run, spread and lots of formations etc.  Word is also that Adrian has a transfer QB coming in from Ohio U.  Dont know how good he is, I think he was a DII kid that walked on there and is now transferring but we all know not to trust the transfers rumors until we see them produce.  All in all though as I have said before its a big year for Adrian, transitioning the offense and replacing several key players at important spots.  Time will tell, but thats all I have for you for insight, hope that helps you out.

Rugenstein was the best defensive player I saw in 7 years in the MIAA.  He is a great two way DE and he also has the athletic ability to drop back in coverage with even the fastest WR's.  I  remember a play last year where he dropped off the line and ran step for step with Desmond Upshaw who was our fastest receiver and tipped the ball away.  He is a game changer and the type of player that you must gameplan around.  Hope does return a very solid core and always seems to be extremely well coached and versed in fundamentals while not trying to do anything to fancy. 

[D306]

Pat

I would send the "sane" from the other site, but I am afraid the ignorant will follow and you would spend way to much time policing these idiots.
Ignorance is bliss, I choose leave them to their vices.

Dawg

I have no Mercy for Vick, he has been a low life for years, the media has pumped him up for ever. He is a marginal QB whom shortly will be in Jail and Joey Ballgame will be leading the Falcons. Possibly the Falcons will pick up another over-rated QB in Culpepper. I think the Falcons would be well served to have Joey QB, he is a servicable average QB and on a "real team" he will act as a calming force and not embarass the team publically.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat

I would send the "sane" from the other site, but I am afraid the ignorant will follow and you would spend way to much time policing these idiots.
Ignorance is bliss, I choose leave them to their vices.

I find sometimes those people don't want their e-mail address on their posts so they won't follow.

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

D306:

I agree that he is an overrated QB, its a mockery of the pro bowl that he has been elected to it as a QB ever.  He is quite possibly the best athlete in the game but that doesnt make him worthy of the pro bowl, QB's with 74 qb ratings dont belong there, ever.  AS for Joey ballgame, I always thought he was treated a bit unfairly here in Detroit and that the Lions ruined him.   He has never been with a team that had a real coach for a QB or an idea of what they were trying to do on offense.  I would imagine that Harrington could be just the type of QB for the Petrino system.  Despite what people say he is smart and somewhat mobile and tough which is never a bad combo as well as a conusmate proffesional, even when he was getting railroaded out of Detroit.  Time will tell if and when Vick goes to jail, but I can imagine that if convicted he wont, they are all felonies and possible to hit him with 6 years.  If that happened I would venture to say it could be the death knell for his career, I just dont know how many teams would want to invest in an average QB that had been in the pen for a year or so.

[HOF]

ADAWG:  Thanks for the info on Adrian's new offense.  I just hope the GVSU look goes over well and the new guy doesn't think he has Cullen Finnerty running the O.  A DI MAC transfer will help and if he is good, he'll make an impact on the Adrian team this season.

Hope has five sets of brothers coming this fall.  Looks like Dean Krepps didn't have to leave the campus much to recruit those kids.   Lol.

Here is to the weekend.  Michigan High School game....should be good weather.

[ACRULZ]

D306:

I agree that he is an overrated QB, its a mockery of the pro bowl that he has been elected to it as a QB ever.  He is quite possibly the best athlete in the game but that doesnt make him worthy of the pro bowl, QB's with 74 qb ratings dont belong there, ever.  AS for Joey ballgame, I always thought he was treated a bit unfairly here in Detroit and that the Lions ruined him.   He has never been with a team that had a real coach for a QB or an idea of what they were trying to do on offense.  I would imagine that Harrington could be just the type of QB for the Petrino system.  Despite what people say he is smart and somewhat mobile and tough which is never a bad combo as well as a conusmate proffesional, even when he was getting railroaded out of Detroit.  Time will tell if and when Vick goes to jail, but I can imagine that if convicted he wont, they are all felonies and possible to hit him with 6 years.  If that happened I would venture to say it could be the death knell for his career, I just dont know how many teams would want to invest in an average QB that had been in the pen for a year or so.

DAWG:

I agree Vick is a marginal QB at best, but if you are going to bash him...well Joey never lit it up in Detroit.  He had multiple opportunities.  And actually believe it or not the coaches weren't that bad, not good but not bad.  I also agree that Vick is a thug and gives the NFL a bad name, however on a different note...now that Vick will more than likely be gone, everyone is excited about Joey, who has proved nothing in the NFL.  I fully believe, whether anyone chooses to or not, it is still about the great white hope.  The position of QB has, is and always will be a topic of great debate when it comes to race.  I do not wish bad luck on Joey but, I will say this, he is a great number 2 guy.

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

ACRULZ:

Everyone is excited about Joey just as everyone was excited about Mike Vick.  Everyone was saying how deidcated he was this offseason and how into the offense and paying attention he was.  I think it speaks negativley against Vick again that people were highlighting these points as he should have been doing this all along.   As for Joey never lighting it up that is true, but do you think he was ever surrounded by a cast that could help him or even playing in a system that would help him?  I think Petrino's system is better suited to him involving more drop back and long ball type passes than the west coast system that Harrington was forced into in Detroit.  It was the classic square peg in a round hole.  What GM and Coach would decide to draft a vertical strong arm gun slinger to come and play in a dink and dunk west coast offense?  As much as Petrino does like the short game he does not do it like the west coast style and is a more aggresive play caller(if his college games translate).  I also never said Joey was a savior but rather that he could do better and you will note that I never said he was a pro bowl QB either.  In essence what I have done was call Harrington a potential "system" qb if the system suits him and if the offense gels he is the type of player that wont wow you but also will not dissapoint.  It behooves the falcons and their fans to both A. promote excitement about JOey and B. be excited about Joey, lets remember thats all they have. Thats all I am saying about Joey, I hope that clarifies my stance.

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ACRULZ , D306 and DAWG:

I'll throw my "2 cents worth" in here, if I may! .  While Harrington obviously didn't do any herorics or remarkable feats during his tenure in Detroit, I would slightly disagree with some of you in that I think he can be a good starting QB in the NFL (not a superstar certainly, but a good QB, and at least on par with the basic average QB's in the league at present) if he has a good offensive line (and there are many "average" non-superstar starting QB's in the NFL at present as you all are aware).  In addition, you well know that, particularly, in his last season in Detroit, he had no blocking at all; a prime example was that last game, televised at that.  As soon as he received the handoff and turned his back (split second) he was hit from behind and/or dragged down immediately - that blocking was absolutely pathetic.  I dare say it was probably the worst I've ever seen, including in in my entire h.s., college and semi-pro days.

Harrington didn't do too bad in Miami, although I will admit that I was surprised he left and went to Atlanta (especially since it was obvious that Culpepper was on his way out).  I think he deserves a chance and, hopefully, he will get that this year - although it remains to be seen including with the Vick garbage that is transpiring at present.  I won't even comment on that and save you all from my "verbage"   Then if Harrington doesn't take advantage of that chance, everyone can say that he had it and didn't step up, thereby proving all of you right and me wrong!

On more pleasantries, as HOF mentioned, Hope has a (unprecedented?) 5 sets of brothers on this year's pre-season roster.  What a great experience that is for those young men.  Also, for those interested, you can check out Hope's pre-season review on their official website.  A whopping 174 players are tentatively listed (75 freshman, 51 sophs and 29 seniors) - up from the about 140 we've had the past couple of years.  The six game J.V. schedule also provides a good development opportunity for some of these new players and as some have discussed on here in the past, the J.V. programs/schedules in the MIAA have much improved in recent years as they have in other conferences, much doing to the increased #'s seen on many rosters on the various teams.

Like all of you, I am getting exciting about the upcoming season.  As usual, it appears it could be a tight race and I suspect (HOPE! that the MIAA will fare much better this year in the playoffs with HOPE in the lead of course (sorry my friends, but just had to get that "light jab" in ).  Hope you all enjoy the remaining summer weeks - they are passing by all too quickly as usual.