FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[D306]

The players on some of the local HS teams are wearing the high pants, no knee pads look.

I would bust them hard if my players try that.

The biggest thing I see is lack of holding calls in the MIAA.
I am not talking about hands caught up in the jersey, I am talking hands outside the frame, and blocks in the back on Kicks.

Punts are an adventure, when the runner reverses field.

Wow anybody watch Monday night football?
Denver is really poor on run defense I mean pitiful, even green Bay is running at will on them.

[formerd3db]

D306:
Right on, friend.

FDF and HOF:
If you guys will be at the game on Sat (Olivet @ Hope), maybe we'll get a chance to visit (if I get there earlier this time ).  BTW, I heard somewhere "thru the rumor mill" that the MIAA winner could be paired up with Wheaton instead of Mt. Union in the playoffs, should the former win and depending on where in the ratings the MIAA team was placed/'seeded".  Only speculation, at this point as to what might be.  I tend to think, however, as has been speculated/reasoned/discussed on some of the other boards, that most likely though, it will be Mt. Union again, down at their place ( ).  But...not to get ahead of ourselves - two games left to play before any of that.

[DEACONBLUE]

Guys, blowin a little sunshine here...but...it's really been a pleasure talking with all of you on the board this season.  I wish I would have known of this site earlier, it has really added another dimension to following MIAA football.  I've actually gained a greater respect and fondness for MIAA rivals by getting to know you all.  Believe it or not...I have found myself saddened by an Adrian loss, and smiling at a Hope win (as long as TSU is not involved...I still have some dignity).  It sure has been a dramatic season so far.

Just a bit of politics...speaking of drama, watching the Hope/TSU game reminded me of the real sacrifice these athletes are making.  I've been privy to the recruiting practices in D2 football, which I assess as a pathetic effort at best.  Without going at length into the politics and sometimes outright laziness in the selection process, many of our athletes would excell at D2 schools and many D2 players would struggle in D3 programs.  An imperfect science.  Yet our athletes (many who were overlooked in the scholarship process of D2) had to make the tough decision of high tuition costs or possibly never to play football again.  More often than not it is the player and parents that in the end will struggle financially with their decision.  Finer educational and social experience...you bet and worth paying extra...but to many atheletes if not for the added incentive to continue in the game, the financial sacrifice might not have been made.  It's too bad D3 could not offer at least a 1/4 tuition athletic stipend to help relieve some of the economic burden which can be 3X greater cost than state schools.  There always seems to be enough money for facility upgrades to attract recruits, how about just a "little" relief for those who sacrifice so much for the love of the game.   

[DBQ1965]

Pardon the intrustion from a IIAC fan living in west Michigan.

I hear Wisconsin Lutheran will be dropping out of the MIAA.  Does that mean the Conference loses it automatic qualifier for the D 3 playoffs?

[Flying Dutch Fan]

d3db - I can't believe I have to say this, but I won't be at the game on Saturday    - family commitments. 

[formerd3db]

Pardon the intrustion from a IIAC fan living in west Michigan.

I hear Wisconsin Lutheran will be dropping out of the MIAA.  Does that mean the Conference loses it automatic qualifier for the D 3 playoffs?

DBQ1965:

You are not intruding.  We appreciate everyone sharing from other boards.  Besides, many of us often visit the other boards as well.  Thanks for your inquiry and visiting our board!

To answer your question:  No, because we will still have 7 teams - Adrian, Albion, Alma, Hope, Olivet, Kalamazoo and Tri-State (BTW, Tri-State is changing their name to Trine University after next year).  WLC, which was in our MIAA only for football, will be missed, however, in reality, it is a much better situation for them to be in the Wisconsin mega-conference they are joining with regards to travel, travel costs, rivalries, etc. 

[formerd3db]

FDF:

Totally understandable and legit.  We all have had to do that on occasions.  We know you'll be there supporting in "thought and spirit"!    Thanks for your contributions on this board.  We'll talk to you again soon.

[HOF]

Deep thoughts by Jack Handy:

I just got done watching the endzone film of the Millsaps vs. Trinty play.  If I'm Mike DuBose (Millsaps coach/former Alabama coach) I might kill the player just sitting behind watching all of this unfold.  Go to Trinty's site and watch the endzone shot.  If that guy isn't hurt, he would be today by me!  He appears to be just sitting there watching this all unfold.   

It was also Millsaps HC...wow!  Talk about some watercooler talk that night around the keg.

Looks like I might be going to East Lansing instead of Holland this weekend.  Thanks to the Olivet loss, I've loss my hunger to see Dom and the boys.

The NCAA pairings aren't figured out til late at night on Championship Sunday.  So saying the MIAA champ is going West is a little premature...I think anyways.   It just depends on geographic locations and who made the playoff's and where they are located. 

I heard some rumblings about Kzoo's coach not being asked back?  Any truth to the rumor?  Just what my friends in Waldo's World tell me.

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

HOF:

Thats the first rumor I have heard about coach Brooks at KZOO.  It would make sense looking at his record, but looking at the schools commitment to football I dont really think it matters who they bring in to coach.  You are never going to win and may never contend in the MIAA with a roster of 60.  Kzoo's issues start at the top and work down, if the school makes a commitment to the program they can succeed they arent the only high academic football program around, Depauw has an academic requirement much like Kzoo but manages to field a good football team.  The best they can hope for with their current commitment level is about the 5 wins that Rogers was able to get out of that program years ago.

[hope1]

d3db    hey  me and the kids will be at the game we sit  next to the stairs going down to the field  where the players go down  we sit in 3 chairs  there talk to dean and my son gives the players high 5 when the hope players go down 

[Pat Coleman]

Deep thoughts by Jack Handy:

I just got done watching the endzone film of the Millsaps vs. Trinty play.  If I'm Mike DuBose (Millsaps coach/former Alabama coach) I might kill the player just sitting behind watching all of this unfold.  Go to Trinty's site and watch the endzone shot.  If that guy isn't hurt, he would be today by me!  He appears to be just sitting there watching this all unfold.   

It was also Millsaps HC...wow!  Talk about some watercooler talk that night around the keg.

Looks like I might be going to East Lansing instead of Holland this weekend.  Thanks to the Olivet loss, I've loss my hunger to see Dom and the boys.

The NCAA pairings aren't figured out til late at night on Championship Sunday.  So saying the MIAA champ is going West is a little premature...I think anyways.   It just depends on geographic locations and who made the playoff's and where they are located. 

I heard some rumblings about Kzoo's coach not being asked back?  Any truth to the rumor?  Just what my friends in Waldo's World tell me.

The NCAA pairings are actually announced in the morning or early afternoon on Selection Sunday.

[formerd3db]

hope1:
Will look for you on Saturday.

[formerd3db]

DAWG:

You are probably right.  Yet as you mention, I agree that, in reality, as Kazoo holds its academic programs in the same vein as the UAA's (Chicago, Wash U - which they play on occasion) and the Depauws and Rochesters, there is no reason why they can't have a decent and successful football program, even though the faculty there is not 100% supportive of it as compared to the other MIAA schools.

For the record, since you touched on the subject, Kazoo had 5 win season in 1982, 1983, 1991, 2000, 2001, and in 1993 a 7-2 record and in 2003 a 6 win season.  Not to mention "way back" in the early '60's when they were MIAA champs and crushed some good teams (with the great Jim Harkema, former Grand Valley and Eastern Michigan MAC and California Bowl champs head coach, who was an All-MIAA QB).  So it can be done.  Yet as far as how long Brooks will stick around is anyone's guess.  I suspect that he may tire of the situation and look elsewhere, especially since he came from out east.  I thought that Rogers was making great progress to get them on-track during his tenure there, but that obviously fell apart when he left for Cornell in the IVY, before his one year stint at DePauw (the latter of which didn't pan out well for philosophical aspects with the administration there according to some of what was reported at the time).

Kazoo won't drop their program (as some people unfortunately started on the rumor mill a couple of years ago - they have too much MIAA historic tradition - but I'd have to agree with you they won't be a big contender anytime soon.  I hope the program can somehow eventually be elevated.  If Olivet and Tri-State can do it, so can Kazoo.  Just my take on the situation. 

[cush]

"Depauw has an academic requirement much like Kzoo but manages to field a good football team." 


Well, i knew a few guys that played at depauw and they didn't have much academic firepower...YET, speaking of depauw i would think they would be a great fit for the MIAA and replace wlc if they ever get tired of the travel with the SCAC

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

cush:

I spoke with Coach Rogers who was at Kzoo then Cornell before he was at Depauw.  This was two years ago at a recruiting fair in walled lake.  I asked him if it was any easier to recruit at Depauw than at Kzoo, he responded no, they were still looking for 3.6's and 26's.  Now as to whether or not they have some kids who are below probably, but since Kzoo brought in 11 kids in its last class its probably hard to do that.