University Athletic Association

[blue4now]

who are you referring to??

[DagarmanSpartan]

Gang,

This is a really KEWL website:

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/midwestern-colleges.asp

It ranks colleges and universities in the Midwest according to which schools' graduates (among those with only Bachelor's degrees) have the highest starting, and mid-career salaries.

Of the schools in the Midwest with the ten highest average salaries (mid-career), two of them are UAA schools: University of Chicago at #2, and Case Western Reserve University at #7, further proof of the UAA's elitism among DIII conferences.  For comparative purposes, academic powerhouse Northwestern only came in at #13.

Here was the Midwest's Top Ten:

School/Starting Salary/Mid-Career Salary
University of Notre Dame   $55,300   $121,000
University Of Chicago   $51,700   $107,000
Carleton College   $45,400   $104,000
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)   $53,900   $99,700
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology (RHIT)   $61,100   $98,800
Illinois Institute of Technology (IIT)   $57,400   $97,600
Case Western Reserve University   $56,500   $97,500
Miami University   $47,100   $96,100
Missouri University of Science and Technology (Missouri S&T)   $57,300   $95,200
Kettering University   $57,900   $94,500

Incidentally, Case BURIES its in-state rivals.  In other words, if you want to go to school in Ohio, AND also want to make a lot of money, go to CASE!!!

Here are some of the other schools from Ohio:

Kenyon (#17)
Ohio Wesleyan (#19)
Dayton (#23)
Denison (#30)
Ohio State (#36)
Cincinnati (#44)
Toledo (#50)
Oberlin (#52)
Akron (#74)
Cleveland State (#77)
Ohio U (#78)
Bowling Green (#81)
Wright State (#86)
Baldwin-Wallace (#101)
Ashland (#102)
Capital (#107)
Mount Union (#109)

I didn't see Wooster listed.

For those that wish to compare schools from other regions:

Northeast:

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/northeastern-colleges.asp

Southern:

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/southern-colleges.asp

Western:

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/western-us-colleges.asp

Here's an interesting question:  Is the ultimate "litmus test" of how valuable a person's education is the extent to which other people are willing to PAY YOU to utilize it?  That may be a debate topic in and of itself!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Major Spartan,

An obvious flaw in the data is dealing ONLY with those who stop at a bachelor's degree.  At many schools, alums consider that to be undereducated!   (To put it another way, you're lopping off the top(?) half to 2/3 of many graduating classes.)

[ADL70]

I deleted my post in response to blue4 and sent a PM.

I don't want to post anything that might seem critical of any player.

[seventiesraider]

Major Spartan,

An obvious flaw in the data is dealing ONLY with those who stop at a bachelor's degree.  At many schools, alums consider that to be undereducated!   (To put it another way, you're lopping off the top(?) half to 2/3 of many graduating classes.)

Schools with large number of Education graduates like Mount Union are obviously never going to rank high. Plus, until this year, Mount never offered a Masters program. It's apples and oranges comparing colleges and universities.

I don't think we needed much to understand that Chicago and Case Western are elite schools. Follow Mount students to their terminal degrees and I'm sure they move up the scale.

[ExTartanPlayer]

Whew...after reading that preview for Case, I've gotta say that it's hard to imagine any of the UAA teams will catch up to them this year.  With Whalen still pulling the trigger and virtually all of the leading rushers/receivers back, nobody's got the firepower to keep up.

[ADL70]

Potential weakness, depth on defense.  Freshmen will have to back up several positions.  They'll have to be ready if there are injuries.

Media Guide

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/football/stats/2009/2009CaseWesternReserveFBGuide_web.pdf

[Cleveland_Fan]

Looking forward to another great season for CWRU.

First game is Sept 5, home against Kenyon College.   Home Opener is also "Heritage Day."  Very cool event IMO:

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news/2008-09/heritageday.html

[DagarmanSpartan]

WOW!!!!

What a write-up in "Kickoff!!!"

Now I'm more psyched up than ever!  Just imagine CWRU vs MUC for ALL THE MARBLES!!!

[frank uible]

Finally got Warren Lahr's name spelled correctly. At Reserve Warren was a Deke whose house was on the northeast corner of Bellflower and Ford. I lived two doors to the east on the north side of Bellflower and had a Cleveland Press paper route covering Bellflower, Ford, Magnolia, Hessler and Juniper. I got to walk up to the Deke house front porch and sometimes hand Lahr his fraternity's copy of the Press as he was sitting on the porch. Big thrill for a 12 year old!

[ExTartanPlayer]

Major, you certainly don't lack enthusiasm and optimism.

(I have not read Kickoff yet, so if they made a reference to this possibility, my apologies)

However, I somewhat doubt that this was predicted.  I'd rank CWRU in the 20ish range, with the possibility of two playoff wins if everything - and I mean everything - comes together.

[ADL70]

From Kickoff:

"Spartans ready to jump to the next level."

"Case Western Reserve eyes third straight title, shot at national title"

There's a feature on WUStL's Jim O'Brien and UChi's Francis Adarkwa.  Teamates in HS, foes in college.

So UAA fans, get Kickoff!

Welcome Cleveland_Fan

[jam40jeff]

Sorry for the quite possibly dumb question, but...

So UAA fans, get Kickoff!

how do you go about doing that?

[Cleveland_Fan]

ADL70, 

Thanks for the welcome!  Great to be here.

jam40jeff,

This link should work: http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/

[jam40jeff]

jam40jeff,

This link should work: http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/

Thanks.  As much as I'm on this site, I have no idea how I haven't seen that section.  I guess I've trained myself to only click certain links.