University Athletic Association

[ADL70]

Brings to mind the philosophy of all the bad results that can come from passing.  Sivek was 6-7 in getting the first in short yardage including two TD's.

The kicking game concerned me from week one as you will recall. This was the scenario that I wondered about.  A FG won the WUStL game last year.  I agree with going for two Saturday.

Gotta be Hobart fans the rest of the way.  If they win out it should boost CMU's stock.

Meanwhile the Bungles and the Clowns both seem to have studied the Kenyon D.

[BDTartan]

Haha, I don't know about the Browns, you gotta expect ANY team in the league to struggle with Carson Palmer running a no-huddle offense all game with those kind of receivers........I'm happy for Leigh Bodden...he jumped that route after he got beat on the same route the previous series on 4th and 10.

A number of concerns have come into my mind over the last two games CMU has played.  I think the scariest thing about the Hobart loss is the fact that the Tartan D couldn't seem to close the door.  My dad said Hobart converted many, many clutch 3rd down situations.  3rd and short, 3rd and medium, and 3rd and long......it didn't matter, CMU couldn't get it done in the end.  I don't agree with the call at the end, but Erdelyi gets paid to coach, not me.  I believe the old saying is that you play to win at home and you play to extend the game on the road.  My bro played well so I am happy about something at least.  Moving on to Allegheny...........GO TARTANS!

[ADL70]

Given the kicking problems, I think going for two was the right choice, just question the pass instead of giving it to Sivek.

BTW CWRU garnered 5 votes in the AFCA Poll, CMU (and Hobart) got 12.  Probably the first time that we've gotten votes in that poll.

[BDTartan]

I don't know.  Maybe I would question the QB on throwing it to that guy......he had a couple drops last year that should have been caught.  But if he is the one open you gotta trust your teammate.  Like I said, from talking to my dad I kind of got the idea that there were a number of things that contributed to the loss.  I'm not exactly sure what to hope for now, considering that rooting for Hobart would mean rooting for a team that still has to beat some pretty tough competition......I guess I should root for everybody on CMU's schedule.  At this point, I just want my bro and the team to do well and leave everything else up to the football gods.  Who knows anything about Allegheny?

[ADL70]

Gators scored 17 in Q1 and 3 in Q2, 0 in H2 v Hiram winning only 20-7.  And it doesn't appear to be because they had the backups in.

In the NCAC pickem' CMU is favored by 13.5.  CMU has 10 picks, AC 9.

Meanwhile, CWRU and COW are rated even.  CWRU has 14 picks, COW 5.

[BDTartan]

I saw the score of that game, but I wasn't sure if it was because Hiram is improving little by little since the last time I saw them or Allegheny is at the bottom of the NCAC or if it was just one of those games......I didn't know what to think.  I saw Hiram the last two years CMU played them and granted CMU got a couple easy wins, Hiram still played tough, physical football.  I just didn't think they had the talent level as some of the other schools I had seen CMU play.

[DagarmanSpartan]

Gang,

This may be off the subject, but Case's Men's Soccer Team is now 6-0 after beating Oberlin last night, and is ranked in the Top Five nationally!

[ADL70]

And both M & W X-C are ranked.  And W Soccer has 5 wins already matching last season's total.

[BDTartan]

Wow, sounds like you guys are turning your whole athletics around.......or is some of that due to the scheduling?

[DagarmanSpartan]

BDTartan,

It's part of that whole "athletic renaissance" I've been telling you about.

The renaissance was brought about by two things:

1) a significant upgrade in the quality of our campus' athletic facilities

AND.........

2) unprecedented back to back to back whopper sized freshmen classes (well, by Case standards anyway) that have greatly increased the available pool of potential student-athletes.

[Pat Coleman]

MajorSpartan -- you mean that Case only recruits athletes from its existing student body, like high schools do?

I would assume that student-athletes are recruited specifically to come to Case. That's the way most intercollegiate programs work. The impact of walk-ons, especially in the fall, is usually minimal.

[DagarmanSpartan]

Pat,

At a school known for 1) the nerdiness of its students, and that 2) doesn't offer any athletic scholarships, athletes are often little different from the rest of the student body.  That's how athletics is at Case.

Case is nothing like schools that offer athletic scholarships, where a certain sub-class of students is admitted primarily due to their athletic prowess, and moreover, where such students are typically admitted under lower admission standards than the rest of the student body.

I'm sure that some recruiting does on, but Case is one school where athletes are definitely NOT admitted at a lower standard.  Back when I was applying (I entered Case in 1990), I got called by the football coach simply because I had put down on my application that I had played high school football.  As it turns out, I didn't play in college.  I'd bet that that's almost the extent of athletic "recruiting" at Case.

As a practical matter, student-athletes at Case are drawn from amongst the ranks of the regularly admitted student body.  Naturally, nearly all of them have played high school football, and a few may have received offers to play for somebody.  But if they picked Case, it means that they turned down any chance to get paid to play, and decided to be a regular student that simply plays football as an extra-curricular activity.

Case's unusually large freshmen classes in recent years have resulted in Case having some unusually large freshmen classes of football players.

This year, for example, Case had 51 freshmen come out for football, an all-time record.

[Pat Coleman]

I don't think you and I are talking about the same things.

What you are suggesting is that the entire student body is unrecruited, and when preseason comes, they hang signs up in the dorms for all comers. Nobody is contacted by a coach and encouraged to come to Case and be part of an athletic team. That's what you are saying when you say the size of the freshman class determines what the teams can be drawn from.

I call bull**** on this. Size of freshman class is not a predetermining factor for athletic success.

If so, how in the world could your fall teams practice before school starts? Are there NO freshmen on your fall teams? How did your vaunted 51 freshmen get to school two weeks before it opened if they weren't recruited to do so?

[Pat Coleman]

At a school known for 1) the nerdiness of its students, and that 2) doesn't offer any athletic scholarships, athletes are often little different from the rest of the student body.  That's how athletics is at Case.

And many other schools. I guess you think Case is the only school like this?

Case is nothing like schools that offer athletic scholarships, where a certain sub-class of students is admitted primarily due to their athletic prowess,

Nor is any other Division III school. You realize this is a Division III site, for Division III fans, right? Why are you lecturing us about Division I?

[frank uible]

The spectrum in DIII football is Recruiting-Lite at one end and Bavarian Recruiting at the other with gradations in between.