FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[PBR...]

those that can do those that cant talk about their rich histories!!!   

[Chum Slam]

? complete sentences man !

[splik]

It has been more than one good season for DVC and Lyco is not a has-been, they were just in the playoffs two? years ago.  However, "rich histories" is a pretty lame thing to say.  Did Moravian recover from their defeat at the hands of DVC?  I have not heard anything about Susquehanna, are they not supposed to be the "next big thing" again?  I swear they were "the next big thing" for like 7 years running.   

[Chum Slam]

How is that lame?

[PBR...]

last i checked and looked at dvc's last 2 seasons i believe their record was more than respectable 'twas it not? 

[Chum Slam]

Very respectable, I am not saying a bad word about them. However to call Widener/Lyco (especially Widener) has beens is a bit ridiculous. Congrats to the Aggies and aall of their accomplishments.

[Chum Slam]

I do not know why the decision was made to take points off the board, however I can tell you the man only does things that give his team the best chance to win. Im not talking about the Johnson era, Im talking about the Jones/Colemen era. 28-2 in 3 seasons in MAC play. national Semis and National Quarters. If the entire coaching staff had not left I feel Widener would have continued its dominance of the MAC.

[patron2]

Jones/Coleman were truly special players.. I dont know that Widener would have had the same level of success, but certainly more successful then they have been if the coaching staff would not have left...  Those 2 kids were phenominal and I would have liked to have seen the teams that beat those two guys in the playoffs..

The MAC is getting pretty competitive now... I think it will only make for a stronger post season performance from the conference champion.

[Chum Slam]

Mount Union Double teamed both all day and we couldnt run the ball. Bridgewater built a big lead early and held onto it. Both phenomenal teams, however we should have won both games.

9-1 the year after Jones/Coleman left...... Coaching was definately good.

[bman]

There is no doubt that Zwaan was a winner, and (in my opinion) WU would have finished higher in the standings if he were still here...but...remember that Wood took over a situation that seemed to be(info 2nd hand) in disarray....

He has had 3 years to get competitive...let's see how it pans out this year...

enuf lyco/widener stuff they are a bunch of has beens ...lets talk now and future about dvc and they are going to open up a giant size can of whoop arse on wilkes!!!

upbrmeasap - do you want me to send you the 81 stagg bowl video, so you know what a MAC national championsip team looks like?

[Chum Slam]

Woody will right the ship, theres no doubt in my mind.

And good call with the 81' Stagg Bowl tape.

When did you play?

[D3Phan]

"Never has beens" are you kidding me? A team goes a whole regular season without a single loss and they are "Never has beens"  Give me a break!

[Chum Slam]

They are players in the conference but have never been National Contenders, ever.

[gordonmann]

That depends on how you define "national contenders."

Do you have to win the region to be a national contender? 

If so, Del Val is out.  So is Lycoming in recent years (1999 and on) since the closest they've come was the 2003 regional finals lose.  Using that criteria, only Widener has been a national contender by reaching the semifinals in 2001.  Of course, their "contention" took the form of a 40-point beating in Alliance.

If we expand the definition to regional finals - two wins from the Stagg Bowl - then Lycoming, Del Val and Widener have all been national contenders recently.

Or we could take a more qualitative definition -- it's not how far you get in the playoffs, but how likely you are to win a title.  If that's our definition, we can cross out the whole East region save Rowan post 1999.

While I enjoy the banter more than silence, it seems like the rhetoric is pretty elevated on both sides.

Lycoming's decades of success and a coach who's a proven winner prevent any "has been" label in my mind.  Heck, if they beat Widener on Saturday, the Warriors are in the thick of the conference race again.  If they win the MAC this year, 2004 starts to look like an aberation, not the end of an era.

Similarly Widener has enjoyed a farther run than any other MAC team since 1999.  For a group of "has beens,' they were very close to beating Del Val last year.

[D3Phan]

Gordon,
I sure hope that you don't think That I was saying that any team is a "has been" I was defending Del Val, not jumping on the "has been wagon"