FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[MOJO]

Posters,
11 QB's in camp.  Wow, that's more QB's than most D1 programs have in camp.  Were all these kids recruited to come in to get a shot at the position.  That's a horrible situation to be in if your a QB in that system.  How many reps can you possibly get to show your stuff in a system with so many competitiors.  Can understand why the Jaworski kid would punt if he wasn't the top runner for the position, if he wants to play.  Also, what is the likelyhood that a D3 school could bring in 11 quality quarterbacks?  I hope I'm not offending anyone here, but I'm somewhat amazed with that number, in any program.  Commentary please.

[PBR...]

mojo, the cream rises to the top....if your afraid of competing stay home. a number of kids will have chances to switch to other positions if they are stuck on the bottom of the depth chart per coach clements. no matter what program you go into you going to have to compete with a number of players albeit 11 is high granted. but coach mangus left a great legacy here and alot of qb's want to come to a system where they will throw the ball and air it out. they know they will get that chance here at dvc and not just hand the ball off for 3 yds and a cloud of dust. they also had kids transfer in that werent per se recruited out of h.s. but its a beautiful thing if your the coach you can never have too much talent

[RU Fan]

uPBRmeASAP & MOJO:

I kind of agree with both of you.  Anyone who is afraid to compete isn't going to help the program anyway.

Conversely, with 11 QBs in camp, just how many reps will each get?  How fair of a chance will each kid get to show his skills?  Next question is ... does the kid want to move to another position?  A lot of QBs play that position from 8 years old up ... and have no interest in another position.  What do you do with those kids .... cut them or have 9 or 10 back-ups?

If a kid commits to a program that has 10 others competing for the same position, a 1 in 11 shot doesn't offer the best odds.  Also, were those kids told before committing that there were 10 other QBs coming to camp?  If not, that's really unfair to the kids. 

The worst situation is finishing a close 2nd to the starter.  How many excellent players have transferred because they were 2nd behind a great player.  Nobody will ever get a chance to assess your value if you're sitting on the bench no matter how good you are.  Tough situation for the coaches as well as the 11 kids.

Just out of curiosity, why did the Jaworski kid leave and where did he go?  He seemed to have decent credentials.

[MOJO]

Upbrmeasap,
No one stated they were afraid of competing or that competion is not healthy.  That was not my point or what I stated.  11 QBS IN CAMP IS TO MANY!  IN ANY PROGRAM!   If you were a QB or had a kid that was a QB it would be hard for you not to concur with my thinking.  No matter how you try to present the 11 QB situation, it's not pretty and is not an ideal situation.  RU"s evaluation of the situation was right on the money.  If you still disagree, then we agree to disagree.  I am confident that most individuals that have more competence in this area than you or I, would agree with my viewpoint.  Posters, commentary please. 

[PBR...]

huh... so the coaches are supposed to say no to kids if they want to attend your program and the coaches think they can contribute??? this is the coaches fault for bringing in an abundance of qb's? where you in the living room with the parents and the student when the coaches where there do you  know what was said? how do u know the coaches  havent told them if you feel your falling down the depth chart your more than welcome to move to another position? i know for a fact a number of qb's who were told that on this team. This is common place at most college football programs. dline move to oline and wr move to db's or look at mike robinson at psu he played every position before settling on qb last season. If you bring in athletes they can play a number of positions which in high school these kids did.

[MOJO]

Upbrmeasap,
I was not in the living room of recruits at the time they were being swooned to play QB for DVC.  But I suspect you were also not there!  11 QB's is too many!  Limited Reps and limited opportunity.  Read what RU previously wrote and you might understand why I'm making this statement.  Please be apprised that 11 QB's in camp is not a common practice at any level.  Yes, even the coaching staff of DVC and/or GA are capable of making a bad decision.  Like all of us, they are human.

[PBR...]

first off do you think it just may be possible that the recruits discussed w/ the coaching staff this scenario if they were at the bottom of the depth chart and all they wanted was a chance to compete. If push came to shove they would consider moving to another position if it meant they could play rather than sit. How do you know these 11 guys are all taking snaps and havent switched already to playing rb, wr, db And there is only 3-4 qbs taking the majority of the snaps? maybe 5 at most? I surmise you dont...Sorry my football knowledge isnt as great as yours so pls try to be patient and hang with us feeble ones and the players and coaches of dvc we all cant be as great in our wealth of football knowledge as yourself.

[PBR...]

btw, hangtime i will try and keep an eye out and catch up with you tomorrow. i am still not a definite yet so i may be a late arrival and squeak in and if so i will keep an eye out for you up in the stands...

[HANGTIME]

uPBRmeASAP

Where the QB is going...he will not see the field this year and next year is another maybe

[PBR...]

hangtime i had heard what your referring to thanks for confirming it....

[MOJO]

Upbrmeasap,
Gosh, your taking this discussion concerning QB's personal.  Like you, I would not consider myself an "EXPERT" concerning football, although I am knowledgeable about the game as I suspect you are.  I asked for input from other posters, concerning this subject.  Remember my friend, you were the one that stated DVC has 11 QB's in camp.  If you read the preseason profile listed on this site, it is stated they have 11 QB's on their Roster.  You can attempt to justify it any way you want, it's too many and it's not fair to the kids playin that position, if they are legitamate contenders.  I seriously doubt, that all 11 of these kids are quality QB's, and if that's the reality of the situation, why take snaps away from the real contenders.  PLEASE, WOULD SOME OTHER POSTERS ENTER THE DISCUSSION AND PUT SOME LIGHT TO THIS SUBJECT!

[PBR...]

mojo, i give up i obviously am not on the same wave length w/ u and feel as i am stuck in groundhog day....i.e. endless for loop {i > 0 ...... i++}

[MOJO]

Upbrmeasap,
Hey, your a good sport.  Although we obviously disagree, I respect you for sticking to your convictions.  Best of luck to your Aggies.  Go Dutchmen and Warriors.

[gordonmann]

Mojo, UPR:

My two cents on the Del Val QB situation which I've been following from a far...

- Pat Coleman and I had similar reactions to the press release that showed 11 QBs on the roster.  The actual competition in camp will probably come down to a lot fewer guys.  But you don't want to tell a HS student (or his parents) coming in that he has no shot.  That doesn't mean you give him false hopes either.  Besides, you never know what you're gonna find until you get these kids on campus.

- UPR is right about a lot of kids coming to camp at one position and being moved.  I'm reminded of an article I read earlier this year on a high school quarterback going to one of the California D3 schools.  The writer asked the coach what position the incoming freshmen would play.  The coach's response was, "Athlete."  If coaches have an athletic kid, they'll find a position for him, even if it's not QB.

- I'm not a head coach -- far from it -- but if there's one position I'd want some certainty at, it's Quarterback.  I can't think of another position in sports (maybe goalie in hockey) where one guy can impact so much of your team's ability to succeed.  I'll take a sure thing at QB every day over two or three talented guys whom I have to platoon for whatever reason.  That's ultimately why I picked Wilkes to win the conference over Del Val.

- I saw a slew of guys working out last Sunday at QB for Del Val.  I don't think it was 11, though.  And I'm pretty confident Coach Clements and OC Greco have a much smaller list of guys in mind for the starting job.  This observation is already dated since Del Val is into their scrimmage with Ursinus and has obviously put someone(s) out there with the starting offense.

Good to have some real football talk and looking forward to next weekend.

[Pat Coleman]

Extra quarterbacks get moved to other positions at D-III schools all the time. You'd be surprised -- it's probably happened at your own school many times. They become running backs, wide receivers, defensive backs.