FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[HANGTIME]

FEAR THE RAM....WHOA...BACK UP A STEP...We are pulling for the same team here.  You were right in your assessment of the "O" line in that it did look like a jail break most of the day, but you have to give credit to the Wilkes "D". They are just as good as the Aggie "D". Thats why they were ranked 1 and 2 in the conference.

I know only too well how much of a loss Damien is but you have to question the play calling . 2 running plays, 3rd and long...Pass, then punt on 4th...The Wilkes "D" were counting on this every series of plays.  I dont recall the yard marker but it was 3rd and long for the first down...why do you call a screen play when nothing off tackle was working and not try a pass to our 2 wide outs for the first down.  We appear to be trying to establish the running game then try to establish the passing game. Almost everyone knows this is in an ideal situation but nothing was working, so why not mix it up.  Try a pass on 1st and 10 and catch them off guard??? Make something happen. Isgro has done a good job as a rookie but with so much at stake and a loaded team with this much talent, my choice would have been to stay with a Qb who knew the system. But then again I am just a "Bleacher Coach", what do I know.

The "O" line is the same from last year minus Damien, so what has changed???  Have the blocking assignments changed that much to accomodate a roll out QB?? I ask you What has changed?  These guys are going to have to work for every yard. 

uPBRmeASAP...Thanks for the back up....this isnt my first season. If you have a chance to see the highlight CD from last year, the boys made it all look so easy. The new QB is going to be a good one in a year or two but with the talent that is inhouse today, it is time for all to step it up.  Lyco this week is not going to be a walk in the park either.  Hope to see you Saturday.

GO AGGIES!!!

[HANGTIME]

MOJO....I cant agree with you more...any given Saturday and any given team  you are right with that.

Hey Simba...any acid balls for this weeks game at DVC???  What is your prediction??

[Pat Coleman]

I know only too well how much of a loss Damien is but you have to question the play calling . 2 running plays, 3rd and long...Pass, then punt on 4th...

Do you think perhaps the playbook is a little thinner for the freshman playing his second game ever than it was for Adam Knoblauch in his 43rd start?

What I saw of Isgro doesn't make me confident he is ready to handle a more complicated game plan. Give him time. He could turn out just fine.

[WUDLINE]

Simba
I was not trying to take anything away from the Coach G. I think he is an excellent coach. I was merely stating that I feel those two plays, and the field postion LYCO had a result, played a major factor in the outcome of the game. I am not taking anything away from your boys great win. The fact that the players did not quit is a tribute to there head coach.

Fear the Ram-
Bleacher coaches are a part of the game. The same people who complained about GA will now talk about him like he is a god. Furthermore, the same people who complain about Greco this week after a loss will love him if DVC beats Lyco. That is simply how it works. I think Pat makes a great point about Isgro. He is a freshman, and everyone needs to remeber that, he is not #9 and it is not fair to expect him to be.
I am sure that the coaches have reduced the package to give him a better chane to be sucessful.

[WUMAC]

In response to the Daily Dose:

I find it quite troubling about some of your opinions you shared tonight on the subject matter at hand. I was and still am one of those so called "inebriated mob" standing around at the Wilkes vs Del. Val. game. I would have to totally disagree on most things that you said and point out some facts about what happened that Saturday. First off in most of your "inebriated mob" crowd pictures you can clearly see Administration, Public Safety, and Local Police. Wilkes University is not a suitcase school, College Students do go there and like to have fun to watch a football game. Being that this game was hyped up and was one of the biggest games ever in the recent history. I would expect any college student to have a good time, hell the Del. Val parents where there before us. It's called spirit, school spirit and yes maybe some fans do get out of hand. However I would expect that someone with your knowledge of D3Football, would seek out someone to do something when someone says "You f—ing f-g–t, you're nothing but a f—ing f-g–t! Pressure's all on you, you f—ing f-g–t!"  It is not like no one was around like you said they are clearly visible in all of the "inebriated mob" photos you took.

[Pat Coleman]

I guess you didn't read the whole thing.

"And I'm not even talking about the inebriated mob standing in one end zone at the end of the game. It's the fans in the other end zone who chose to berate individual players from the opposing team, loudly and with the foulest language I've ever heard at a D-III event."

[Lyco80]

On a totally unrelated thread:

Isgro is qb at DVC.  When Simba and I were at Lycoming there was a Dan Isgro #56 who played and he had a twin brother - Ernie.

One, or both of them, relocated to Atlantic City after college and became part of the gaming industry there.  Now, if I am correct, this freshman Isgro hails from Absegami H.S. in NJ which is just that part of the state.

Is this just a weird moment where the planets are aligning?  Or did Lycoming and Coach G miss out on a legacy and let one get away?

Pat?  Simba?  Mojo?  Others??

ATB

[Warren Thompson]

Just out of curiosity, at Wilkes, why is there no fence or other barrier around the playing field?

[One man's opinion: Allowing spectators so close to the action is asking for trouble.]

[john merrick]

Open up the playbook at Del. Val.
I must have missed something!  They ran option, QB traps and draws, a shuffle pass, TE screen, reverses, etc.  What else can they put in?  The play calling may need changed, but what else can they add?

[HANGTIME]

Pat Coleman

Hey Pat, I am a fan of Isgro, he is going to be another very good QB. What I was trying to relay is that the "O" line needs to give him time to complete the hand off or hold the blocks until the pass is released.

I am sure he is operating with a limited playbook it just makes sense...he needs protection.

[Pat Coleman]

Hangtime:

Gotcha.

I only saw the Wilkes game, of course, so someone who saw the Florham game will have more information than I on this, but Wilkes' defensive front is pretty good. It might be that they weren't going to have the answer.

Merrick:

The fans were pretty vocal about Del Val throwing down the field more. I'm not sure that was a good idea, having seen Wilkes against William Paterson.

[HANGTIME]

Pat Coleman

I read your blog about the Wilkes fans. I personally was not wittness to all of the the taunting by the fans in the end zones. I was too far removed high in the visitors bleachers. However I did see many, I assume students getting fired up before the game behind the goal posts. At that time I observed college kids enjoying themselves and not being destructive in any way. The usual bantering back and forth between visiting fans was the order.  We all can debate this situation forever but drinking does exist and goes on frequently at these games and also in the professional arena where people get out of hand. My opinion is to have them removed asap, especially when kids are around. Problem is to get them removed sometimes there is not enough security to have this done....sorry didnt meant to ramble

But there was a "Sportsmanship" announcement read by the game announcer prior to the start of the game for what it was worth......

[MOJO]

Posters,
Much is made of QB play and rightfully so.  With that being said, I have seen mediocre QB's look very good because they have a great supporting cast around them and have also seen some top shelf QB's look mediocre because "THE HORSES WERE NOT IN THE BARN."  First and foremost, if a QB is gonna be successful his O line gotta give him time.  In my opinion, skill wise, one of the best QB's I have seen in the MAC, and I apologize for not remembering his name(THINK HIS NAME WAS TROUTMAN), was a kid that played for Juniata 3 or 4 years ago.  This kid appeared to have it all but probably never received the accolades, he would have, had he played for a Lyco or Weidner at the time.  Plain and simple the reason for this occurance was because he didn't have as many "HORSES IN THE BARN."  I hope I didn't offend anyone with the afforementioned statements, but it is what it is.  I'm confident the kid playing QB for the Aggies will be fine, gotta give him time.  Commentary please!

[FearTheRam]

To HT and UP first of all, I didn't point a finger at you, I was speaking in general about the "coaches" in the stands. (Although, I do remember some posts after the Rowan game questioning GA's plays, but let's forget that part)There was an entire section of them at the game directly in front of the coach's box screaming all sorts of complaints and they were doing it in order to be heard by the coaches. If you are a fan, and you all are parents, than your job is to cheer your team on and support your kid and the others on the team. It does not give you a lisence to be an obnoxious bore and embarrass your children. I went to the restroom and heard the parents talking about our fans horrible behavior(some of them had to sit in our bleachers). Now, while I think Pat's comments concerning the Wilkes student body, was right on target, I also was repulsed by having to sit in the bleachers with these loud mouths. This is not a one time occurance however, as it's happened a great deal over the previous seasons.

As for the changes in the O'line, besides Damian, big Ralph (71)is injured and he was a starter last year, but most importantly, the center is responsible for calling out the blocking assignments, that would seem to be a major issue to me and something that takes time to learn. It's my understanding that the current center was moved from another position, so I'd say he's having to learn quite a lot.

My point is that we aren't the coaches and we don't get paid to call plays or decide who is or isn't on the field. What we should be doing is just cheering for out team. And by cheering I mean applauding great play. As was stated before there by Pat, these kids aren't getting paid to do play this game, they do it because they love it. It's their game, we have nothing invested in it and should just enjoy their play as it all too quickly is over.

As for the post regarding the rowdy Wilkes crowd, I don't understand why the MAC allows Wilkes to have spectators so close to the field. The most definately should be required to keep off the track, that at least would put some distance between the players and the fans. Additionally, the taunting and name calling mentioned by PC was started at the very beginning of the game when the special teams guys came out for warm-ups. There were security people not more than 100 feet from the offenders as they were manning the entrance gate. It would seem that good sense would have one of them at least speaking to the offenders, but nothing of the sort took place. A suggestion was made that it was up to those offended by the statement or other spectators to admonish the offenders, but in my experience this would merely lead to an ugly confrontation, as other spectators have no authority. The answer would seem to be in additional security people who have the authority to remove offenders from the premises and limit the consumption of beer etc.

Here's to an improved performance by DVC AGGIES against an always difficult Lycoming. A win at the first home game would be a treat for all.

[PBR...]

understood ftr....i didnt realize the "fans" at wilkes were allowed that close to the field...wilkes administration better wake up because this is going to lead to a very ugly situation at some point...all it takes is a errant football in pre game warms ups to go over past their "fans" and talking smack will escalate and lead to players coming to back up their teammate and it will take off from there. I hope wilkes admins realize this and stop this before something very bad happens. I agree with an earlier post they need to put up a fence around the track