FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[bman]

Bman -
Actually the reliance on the big play offense and passing game was put in place when Bill Cubit and to an extent G.A. Mangus brought a unique combination of the Wing T run game and the Florida passing game to Widener in the mid 90's. During these years Zwann was actually the D coordinator for Widener before taking over as the head coach and OC in 1997 when Cubit left for Western Michigan.  They really have not been conservative on offense since the days of Bill Manlove.

Yup forgot about Cubit....thx!   

"They really have not been conservative on offense since the days of Bill Manlove"...ok now you can guess what Era I'm from...

If you're going to the Del Val game, I'll introduce myself...

[SUADC]

dlip has a point that the top of the MAC doesn't compare with Mount Union, UMHB, Linfield and maybe with Wesley, St. Thomas and others. So, if Widener is showing issues with MAC teams... a deep playoff run is a major question mark. Even teams like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins in this region may be their Achilles heal.

Now, I believe that the MUC has all the talent in the world to go to the Stagg bowl. However, with them blowing teams out in the OAC, can you really consider the conference the second best conference, when MUC blowsout the conference third best team? Nevertheless, with them blowing teams out, which allows its starters to finish games by the second quarter. It is only safe to say that, when playoffs come around that teams that come from the MAC and such, face adverse situations when playing a team such as MUC in the playoffs, due to nagging injuries (result of competitive games throughout the whole season) and film that shows majority of the MUC backups playing. However, they have dominated, which definitely counts for a lot, but could they do that in CCIW, E8, NWC, and WIAC?

[bman]

dlip has a point that the top of the MAC doesn't compare with Mount Union, UMHB, Linfield and maybe with Wesley, St. Thomas and others. So, if Widener is showing issues with MAC teams... a deep playoff run is a major question mark. Even teams like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins in this region may be their Achilles heal.

However, they have dominated, which definitely counts for a lot, but could they do that in CCIW, E8, NWC, and WIAC?

Yes...

[WUDLINE]

Bman-
I have been around the program for many years.  So please do not allow my Manlove reference to steer you in any direction. If you were part of the program in any capacity after Coach Manlove then there is a very good chance that we have already met on numerous occasions. I will be attending the Del Val game with various Alum to watch the game and check in on Coach Clem.

[skunks_sidekick]

dlip has a point that the top of the MAC doesn't compare with Mount Union, UMHB, Linfield and maybe with Wesley, St. Thomas and others. So, if Widener is showing issues with MAC teams... a deep playoff run is a major question mark. Even teams like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins in this region may be their Achilles heal.

Now, I believe that the MUC has all the talent in the world to go to the Stagg bowl. However, with them blowing teams out in the OAC, can you really consider the conference the second best conference, when MUC blowsout the conference third best team? Nevertheless, with them blowing teams out, which allows its starters to finish games by the second quarter. It is only safe to say that, when playoffs come around that teams that come from the MAC and such, face adverse situations when playing a team such as MUC in the playoffs, due to nagging injuries (result of competitive games throughout the whole season) and film that shows majority of the MUC backups playing. However, they have dominated, which definitely counts for a lot, but could they do that in CCIW, E8, NWC, and WIAC?

Dude...are you serious right now?  You posted in another thread that UMHB is the only team that proved they are the top dog this year.  Yah...go with that theory.  It always amazes me when a poster gets the "hate Mount" groove on. 

Just sad.......but understandable.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

WUDLINE - you can spot a defense set-up for a running play very easily. For Widener they would stack everyone within ten yards of the line of scrimmage, including the safeties, leaving the corner backs in man-to-man coverage on the outside. Many times when Stevenson had a running play on and saw this formation, they checked out to a passing play and converted many times with passes to the sideline (despite many dropped balls in that game).

When Widener would show a passing set-up, they would have the safeties more like 15 yards from the line of scrimmage, flared out more to the hashmarks, bring the linebackers back a few yards from where they would be in a running set-up, essentially setting up a Cover 2 or whatever to keep the passing zones covered. Many times when Stevenson had a passing play on and saw this formation they checked out to a running play and had plenty of success (i.e. Smith with 110 yards rushing).

Best example of the Pride's run set-up may have been the Mustangs first touchdown. They were on the Widener 7... and the Pride had no defenders with a foot inside the endzone before the ball was snapped. Stevenson pitched the ball to Smith who then threw a touchdown to the fullback Bragg (who had lined up as a flanker - as he normally does - off the line). Bragg had slipped through the entire defense and into the endzone... and was wide open five yards back with still not a single defender in the endzone.

Now, Widener has a very good defense. I was impressed with the fact they didn't buy into a couple razzle-dazzle plays from the Mustangs, including a very good play from their wide receiver throwing to their quarterback. I am also not saying Stevenson is all that good by any stretch of the imagination. That being said, while Stevenson didn't have the points to show it, they did move the ball into Widener territory quite often and if it hadn't been for failed fourth down attempts, a timely sack, and a turnover... they may have had more success.

Which gets me to this... if Stevenson could have success moving the ball on Widener (333 yards isn't a ton, but it is above the average Widener is giving up: 285) and they are only 1-6... what does that mean for any post-season action - or heck, any of the three games remaining?

Again, Widener's defense is good... and I expected them to be successful against Stevenson... but I also didn't expect them to give up big drives against the Mustangs either (I figured going into the game Stevenson would need some short fields thanks to their defense - they really didn't get any of those). But they have got to play better soon or the a possible NCAA run could be short - especially if the offense turns the ball over as much as 7 times in a game.

And as for your point about the fake play for Stevenson... if it had been Widener with the play, I would have said the same thing. My point was to make sure people didn't get carried away with comments of unsportsmanlike and such - Widener fans didn't like the "unsportsmanlike" comments about their 90-0 win over Wilkes, after all... and this was just one play. Again, if Widener had done that... I probably would have said the same thing, especially since some people asked for clarification on the series of plays leading up.

You might want to learn more about me before you go assuming you know where I am coming from. I am pretty sure if Gordon had taken a stance like mine you wouldn't have had a problem with it.

[WUDLINE]

Skunk -
I am not sure that anyone with knowledge the MAC, the east region, or for that matter D3 believes that any of our teams are currently in the same category as the teams that Dlip mentioned. As for perennials like UMHB, Wesley, White Water, Linfield, and MCU, in the words of Dennis Green, " they are who we thought they are."  There is a reason why they are always standing where they are at the end of every year, and it certainly does not have anything to do with them playing in weaker conferences or getting to play their back ups more because of blowouts. It's because success breeds success. Over time these programs have been built to breed success with great recruiting, good coaching, and their players developing that winning swagger. It is the same formula that the Lyco and WU teams of old used for so many years, and more recently has worked for Del Val. I would warn other posters to be careful what you ask for with inviting MCU to your conference. Trust me. Their dominance would not change. A few games might be closer, but they are on a different level.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Skunk -
I am not sure that anyone with knowledge the MAC, the east region, or for that matter D3 believes that any of our teams are currently in the same category as the teams that Dlip mentioned. As for perennials like UMHB, Wesley, White Water, Linfield, and MCU, in the words of Dennis Green, " they are who we thought they are."  There is a reason why they are always standing where they are at the end of every year, and it certainly does not have anything to do with them playing in weaker conferences or getting to play their back ups more because of blowouts. It's because success breeds success. Over time these programs have been built to breed success with great recruiting, good coaching, and their players developing that winning swagger. It is the same formula that the Lyco and WU teams of old used for so many years, and more recently has worked for Del Val. I would warn other posters to be careful what you ask for with inviting MCU to your conference. Trust me. Their dominance would not change. A few games might be closer, but they are on a different level.

Couldn't have said that better myself... just because Mount Union is destroying their conference doesn't mean their conference is weaker than any other... nor does it mean they wouldn't do the same in any other conference they would be in... in fact what they are doing this year is near record-breaking.

[WUDLINE]

D Mac
I must admit. I have not had this much fun on this board in years. Going back and forth has been rather entertaining. First, Your most recent post certainly speaks to my misunderstanding concerning your defense of the fake punt. Though I still feel it was a bush league play. I can understand your defense to the unsportsmanlike comment or nature if that was not the call.

Second, I do not know of many if any WU fans or Alum that have tried to defend the 90 points against Wilkes.

Also, I would like to thank you for your recent defensive lesson, and honestly, it does speak to your knowledge of the game. However, I would also caution you about making assumption about people's knowledge concerning the game of football and in particular defense. Having both played and coached on the defensive side of the ball at the college level I also believe that I have a fairly good understanding of a defensive system and game plan. Furthermore, having a relative on the defensive side of the ball allows me to get a little inside knowledge of both the WU defensive  system and weekly game plan. I will simply state that WU likes to hide many of their coverages and zone blitzes prior to the snap by showing or hiding their coverage in one or two similar alignments and then adjusting and attacking post snap.

Most action on this board in a while!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

D Mac
I must admit. I have not had this much fun on this board in years. Going back and forth has been rather entertaining. First, Your most recent post certainly speaks to my misunderstanding concerning your defense of the fake punt. Though I still feel it was a bush league play. I can understand your defense to the unsportsmanlike comment or nature if that was not the call.

Second, I do not know of many if any WU fans or Alum that have tried to defend the 90 points against Wilkes.

Also, I would like to thank you for your recent defensive lesson, and honestly, it does speak to your knowledge of the game. However, I would also caution you about making assumption about people's knowledge concerning the game of football and in particular defense. Having both played and coached on the defensive side of the ball at the college level I also believe that I have a fairly good understanding of a defensive system and game plan. Furthermore, having a relative on the defensive side of the ball allows me to get a little inside knowledge of both the WU defensive  system and weekly game plan. I will simply state that WU likes to hide many of their coverages and zone blitzes prior to the snap by showing or hiding their coverage in one or two similar alignments and then adjusting and attacking post snap.

Most action on this board in a while!

With a name like WUDLINE - I pretty much knew you had some background, but you seemed to indicate to me you wanted proof: Lastly, Not sure how a defense shows "run."

While I know defenses can scheme and hide things (I live in Ravens territory and have been a fan of theirs and the Bears)... but it didn't seem like Widener hid that much... especially since it seemed Stevenson was having success checking out of things. I wasn't the only one who felt that way. My broadcast partner is a former assistant at some local colleges like Salisbury, Delaware State, and Howard... and he was the one who commented on it the most (and he will criticize Stevenson).

Anyway, I am enjoying the banter as well. I have been disappointed that the boards have been so quiet.

[SUADC]

dlip has a point that the top of the MAC doesn't compare with Mount Union, UMHB, Linfield and maybe with Wesley, St. Thomas and others. So, if Widener is showing issues with MAC teams... a deep playoff run is a major question mark. Even teams like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins in this region may be their Achilles heal.

Now, I believe that the MUC has all the talent in the world to go to the Stagg bowl. However, with them blowing teams out in the OAC, can you really consider the conference the second best conference, when MUC blowsout the conference third best team? Nevertheless, with them blowing teams out, which allows its starters to finish games by the second quarter. It is only safe to say that, when playoffs come around that teams that come from the MAC and such, face adverse situations when playing a team such as MUC in the playoffs, due to nagging injuries (result of competitive games throughout the whole season) and film that shows majority of the MUC backups playing. However, they have dominated, which definitely counts for a lot, but could they do that in CCIW, E8, NWC, and WIAC?

Dude...are you serious right now?  You posted in another thread that UMHB is the only team that proved they are the top dog this year.  Yah...go with that theory.  It always amazes me when a poster gets the "hate Mount" groove on. 

Just sad.......but understandable.

Definitely do not hate on them, they have a great team no doubt. As far as being sad, its my opinion that I feel UMHB has been the only proven team this year thus far that should be top dog. Again, my opinion. Regardless, it's no theory, haven't scientfically looked at anything.

[bman]

dlip has a point that the top of the MAC doesn't compare with Mount Union, UMHB, Linfield and maybe with Wesley, St. Thomas and others. So, if Widener is showing issues with MAC teams... a deep playoff run is a major question mark. Even teams like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins in this region may be their Achilles heal.

Now, I believe that the MUC has all the talent in the world to go to the Stagg bowl. However, with them blowing teams out in the OAC, can you really consider the conference the second best conference, when MUC blowsout the conference third best team? Nevertheless, with them blowing teams out, which allows its starters to finish games by the second quarter. It is only safe to say that, when playoffs come around that teams that come from the MAC and such, face adverse situations when playing a team such as MUC in the playoffs, due to nagging injuries (result of competitive games throughout the whole season) and film that shows majority of the MUC backups playing. However, they have dominated, which definitely counts for a lot, but could they do that in CCIW, E8, NWC, and WIAC?

Dude...are you serious right now?  You posted in another thread that UMHB is the only team that proved they are the top dog this year.  Yah...go with that theory.  It always amazes me when a poster gets the "hate Mount" groove on. 

Just sad.......but understandable.

Definitely do not hate on them, they have a great team no doubt. As far as being sad, its my opinion that I feel UMHB has been the only proven team this year thus far that should be top dog. Again, my opinion. Regardless, it's no theory, haven't scientfically looked at anything.

SUADC

This dude Skunks has been trolling around the boards (ripping anyone that doesn't acknowledge MU as being kings of the universe)...don't give him the time of day...your opinion is your opinion..

My opinion is the Mount Union's unis are ugly...

[@d3jason]

dlip has a point that the top of the MAC doesn't compare with Mount Union, UMHB, Linfield and maybe with Wesley, St. Thomas and others. So, if Widener is showing issues with MAC teams... a deep playoff run is a major question mark. Even teams like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins in this region may be their Achilles heal.

Now, I believe that the MUC has all the talent in the world to go to the Stagg bowl. However, with them blowing teams out in the OAC, can you really consider the conference the second best conference, when MUC blowsout the conference third best team? Nevertheless, with them blowing teams out, which allows its starters to finish games by the second quarter. It is only safe to say that, when playoffs come around that teams that come from the MAC and such, face adverse situations when playing a team such as MUC in the playoffs, due to nagging injuries (result of competitive games throughout the whole season) and film that shows majority of the MUC backups playing. However, they have dominated, which definitely counts for a lot, but could they do that in CCIW, E8, NWC, and WIAC?

Dude...are you serious right now?  You posted in another thread that UMHB is the only team that proved they are the top dog this year.  Yah...go with that theory.  It always amazes me when a poster gets the "hate Mount" groove on. 

Just sad.......but understandable.

Definitely do not hate on them, they have a great team no doubt. As far as being sad, its my opinion that I feel UMHB has been the only proven team this year thus far that should be top dog. Again, my opinion. Regardless, it's no theory, haven't scientfically looked at anything.

+1 for proper reference to the term theory from a science teacher. 

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