FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[Simba]

As much as the WU Del Val game is interesting, WU vs. Lyco is a key driver to the division...
That game is WW3 every time it's played, and anything and every thing usually occurs...
The next few weeks are going to be fun, that's for sure!

You are so right about anything and everything bman...How about 2000 @LQ Stadium when Widener ended their 11 game loosing streak against Lyco by rallying from a 36-27 deficit with about 5min left in the game to win 50-49 in double overtime!!!...

Both teams scored 7 in the first OT, Lyco scored another TD in the 2nd OT but the extra point hit the top of the right upright...Widener scored a TD plus the point and won...What a "longer" walk back to the "Magic Bus" after that one!

Simba

[jmcozenlaw]

Simba - Lycoming's job next week is to beat Widener by ten....................now back to watching the loudmouth Seahawks getting stomped by the lowly Rams

[gordonmann]

The Conference used to have a provision that capped the amount of points a team could gain through margin of victory over other teams in a tie breaker scenario. For example, if Team A beat Team B by 10 points, the Conference counted that as +7. If Team A beat Team B by 20 points it was still just +7.  That's designed to discourage teams from running up the score. If that provision is still in place, I think Del Val's margin of victory over Lyco is likely at or above that cap.

[Pat Coleman]

You are so right about anything and everything bman...How about 2000 @LQ Stadium when Widener ended their 11 game loosing streak against Lyco by rallying from a 36-27 deficit with about 5min left in the game to win 50-49 in double overtime!!!...

How about 1998, same place? Lyco down 13-2 with 3:03 left and comes back to win. The game that convinced us at D3hoops.com that we had to start a football site.
http://www.d3football.com/notables/1999/lycoming-rallies-to-beat-widener

[Simba]

You are so right about anything and everything bman...How about 2000 @LQ Stadium when Widener ended their 11 game loosing streak against Lyco by rallying from a 36-27 deficit with about 5min left in the game to win 50-49 in double overtime!!!...

How about 1998, same place? Lyco down 13-2 with 3:03 left and comes back to win. The game that convinced us at D3hoops.com that we had to start a football site.
http://www.d3football.com/notables/1999/lycoming-rallies-to-beat-widener

I believe that was Lyco QB Mancini that led us back in that one Pat...Great game...

Another was in 2002, when at the LQ again, Lyco blocked a field goal in OT, then a Widener back picks up the ball rolling right and throws a 21 yard pass into the end zone for the win!...THAT WAS EVEN A LONGER THAN LONGER WALK BACK TO THE "MAGIC BUS"!...

Simba

[Pat Coleman]

You are so right about anything and everything bman...How about 2000 @LQ Stadium when Widener ended their 11 game loosing streak against Lyco by rallying from a 36-27 deficit with about 5min left in the game to win 50-49 in double overtime!!!...

How about 1998, same place? Lyco down 13-2 with 3:03 left and comes back to win. The game that convinced us at D3hoops.com that we had to start a football site.
http://www.d3football.com/notables/1999/lycoming-rallies-to-beat-widener

I believe that was Lyco QB Mancini that led us back in that one Pat...Great game...

Another was in 2002, when at the LQ again, Lyco blocked a field goal in OT after we scored first in the OT... We think we won, then a Widener back picks up the ball rolling right and throws a 21 yard pass into the end zone for the win!...THAT WAS EVEN A LONGER THAN LONGER WALK BACK TO THE "MAGIC BUS"!...

Simba

I was at the 1998 and 2002 games, and Keith was at 2000 and 2002. We broadcast the 2002 game. Craziness.

http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2002/contrib/20111004i09f7k

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Gordon - I was getting ready to gush about the Stevenson broadcast (replays, stats.............not the broadcasters as you are far superior!!) that was until the Stevenson Live Stats and Video crashed at halftime and we can't watch the game or follow the stats.

It's at times like these when I have to remind myself that this is Division III.............on and off the field 

I know live stats took a hit, but was back up and running later in the third quarter... but we heard no complaints about the video being down. Next time, feel free to tweet or complain in some manner... it usually gets back to me. Though, the best bet is to contact the video provider, Stretch, as they are the first line of defense in these matters. And I hate to ask this, but could it have been on your end?

[bman]

You are so right about anything and everything bman...How about 2000 @LQ Stadium when Widener ended their 11 game loosing streak against Lyco by rallying from a 36-27 deficit with about 5min left in the game to win 50-49 in double overtime!!!...

How about 1998, same place? Lyco down 13-2 with 3:03 left and comes back to win. The game that convinced us at D3hoops.com that we had to start a football site.
http://www.d3football.com/notables/1999/lycoming-rallies-to-beat-widener

I believe that was Lyco QB Mancini that led us back in that one Pat...Great game...

Another was in 2002, when at the LQ again, Lyco blocked a field goal in OT after we scored first in the OT... We think we won, then a Widener back picks up the ball rolling right and throws a 21 yard pass into the end zone for the win!...THAT WAS EVEN A LONGER THAN LONGER WALK BACK TO THE "MAGIC BUS"!...

Simba

Simba

I had a perfect view of the play!  No one seemed to know if it was a PAT or not.  I was telling my group..."That was good"!  Finally, the officials confirmed it... (Somewhat erasing the sour taste of 1998)...
Like Pat said...Craziness

[bman]

Gordon - I was getting ready to gush about the Stevenson broadcast (replays, stats.............not the broadcasters as you are far superior!!) that was until the Stevenson Live Stats and Video crashed at halftime and we can't watch the game or follow the stats.

It's at times like these when I have to remind myself that this is Division III.............on and off the field 

I know live stats took a hit, but was back up and running later in the third quarter... but we heard no complaints about the video being down. Next time, feel free to tweet or complain in some manner... it usually gets back to me. Though, the best bet is to contact the video provider, Stretch, as they are the first line of defense in these matters. And I hate to ask this, but could it have been on your end?

I had the same issue as well.  It would connect, then would hang (clocking)..  I was on WiFi, and thought it was my device, so just chalked it up to the issues my device sometimes has...

[bman]

A question to the group (well, more really for Pat)...

I know that Widener, as a result of beating Rowan in week 1, got into the top 25 prior to Del Val, and hence have climbed as teams above have slipped.  My question really centers around the placement of the 2 teams...
As Del Val beat MSU (an unknown quantity at the time) and then beat Lyco to break into the top 25 has (IMO) done more in terms of beating quality opponents (2) than Widener (1). 
In my mind they are at present, virtually identical with DV perhaps sliding ahead of WU.  With WU vs. Lyco this week, it may be a moot point, or change drastically, but I am curious given the logic above, as to why the discrepancies in the ranking..
I am assuming that it's just timing of when each broke into the the rankings, rather than any formula, but wanted to check...

[jmcozenlaw]

Dave/bman - The issue wasn't on my end as I was texting four other people who were having the same issue from their desktops.

I love the Stevenson video broadcast though.............clear, slick, great graphics, lightning quick replays, etc. It is state of the art and quite frankly, just about the best production that I've seen. I've watched a few (or tried to) D2 games with Kutztown (Coach Clemens is there now) and the graphics look like something from back in the 1980's.........think 'pong', the video game that we played way back in the day.

If there was a way for Stevenson to monetize their production of their football games..............sell the package (I'm talking way out of my comfort zone here as I'm a lawyer:) to other D3 and D2 programs. When it was working for me................it was the best non-D1/D1-AA production that I've ever seen!!

Please give the appropriate people much congrats!!!

[jmcozenlaw]

bman - Gordon gave his answer to my question about point differential rules to break a three way tie but can you or Pat or anybody else confirm? Let's say the following happens:

DelVal - 0 (already beat Lyco by 10.....lose to Widener by 10)
Widener - 0 (beat DelVal by 10....lose to Lyco by 10)
Lyco - 0 (beat Widener by 10.....already lost to DelVal by 10)

What would be the way to determine the MAC AQ if this were to occur?

Thanks

[Pat Coleman]

A question to the group (well, more really for Pat)...

I know that Widener, as a result of beating Rowan in week 1, got into the top 25 prior to Del Val, and hence have climbed as teams above have slipped.  My question really centers around the placement of the 2 teams...
As Del Val beat MSU (an unknown quantity at the time) and then beat Lyco to break into the top 25 has (IMO) done more in terms of beating quality opponents (2) than Widener (1). 
In my mind they are at present, virtually identical with DV perhaps sliding ahead of WU.  With WU vs. Lyco this week, it may be a moot point, or change drastically, but I am curious given the logic above, as to why the discrepancies in the ranking..
I am assuming that it's just timing of when each broke into the the rankings, rather than any formula, but wanted to check...

I would think, too, that it also has something to do with the fact that it's easier to see Widener as a complete team because they don't give up a ton of points. Looking at the teams' respective games vs. Leb Val, for example.

[bman]

bman - Gordon gave his answer to my question about point differential rules to break a three way tie but can you or Pat or anybody else confirm? Let's say the following happens:

DelVal - 0 (already beat Lyco by 10.....lose to Widener by 10)
Widener - 0 (beat DelVal by 10....lose to Lyco by 10)
Lyco - 0 (beat Widener by 10.....already lost to DelVal by 10)

What would be the way to determine the MAC AQ if this were to occur?

Thanks

They would go to an undisclosed Diner of off Interstate 81, and perform a coin flip...

According to the MAC manual:

Section III - Championships
A. Each team plays nine conference games (Executive Regulations, Article V, page 5)
B. The conference champion is determined by the best record in the nine conference games. In case of a tie, the tied teams are co-champions and the MAC tie-breaking criteria apply (Executive Regulations, Article V, Part D, page 6)

Which is:

D. There are no playoffs for conference ties. All sports implement the following tie-breaking system in descending priority order to qualify team (s) for the MAC championships.
1. Ties are to be broken from the top of the standings to the bottom, with the exception of head-to-head results in regular season conference contests (these are to occur prior to applying procedure #2). The progression through a procedure stops at any point where teams cannot be ranked.
2. If more than two teams are tied, and one of the teams has not played a team in a specific tiebreaker, that particular tiebreaker does not count.
3. When more than two teams are tied and procedures #1 thru #4 criteria qualify a team, or teams, the remaining teams revert back to the criteria in rank order.
a. Head-to-head results between and among the tied teams in traditional season conference contests.
b. Tied teams' traditional season won-loss records versus conference teams starting with #1, then #2, etc
c. point,  differential between and among the tied teams, with a maximum differential of 17 points in football.
d. Tied teams'  point, differential in conference contests starting with #1, then #2, etc. with a maximum differential of 17 points in football.

Gordon was spot on, other than the Point Differential value...

[jmcozenlaw]

Thanks for the info bman!!!