FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[ITH radio]

I think more like 28-14 if WID is really that good at stopping the run.

[bill]

Del Val - 56          FDU - 7       (Just don't understand how FDU can sit in the middle of all that football talent, and not be able to recruit...)

Bman...it's rather complicated, and takes quite a bit of time to type out the answer to that one!

[jmcozenlaw]

Del Val - 56          FDU - 7       (Just don't understand how FDU can sit in the middle of all that football talent, and not be able to recruit...)

Bman...it's rather complicated, and takes quite a bit of time to type out the answer to that one!

bman - You missed by a point. What's going on with you?

[jmcozenlaw]

Well

It's come down to this week.   Let the analysis, smack talk, and fun begin!

                                         Delaware Valley                     Widener

Total Offense.                #7.    512yds.                         #33.  464yds
Passing  O.                     #17   300yds.                         #34.  278yds
Rushing  O                      #53   212yds.                         #80.  186yds
3rd down conversion.   #42.  46%.                               #59.  43%

Total Defense.                #87.  347yds.                         #15.  252yds
Passing D.                       #121 207yds.                        #129. 209yds
Rushing D.                      #86.   140yds.                        #1.       43yds

Turnover Margin.           #64.     +.44                            #5.       +2.11
Sacks Allowed.              #11.       .78                             #181     2.56                 

Simba Sez: 

Widener 28    Delaware Valley 21

Simba - Haven't we learned to throw statistical analysis out of the window?

I see a much larger Widener victory given Widener's stout defense against the run, the weather really impacting DelVal's passing game and DelVal's defense not being able to stop Widener. Remember.......DelVal's stats look better without having Widener numbers in there as of yet. I'm just hoping that there is no #3 vs. #6 or #4 vs. #5 rematch in the first round of the playoffs.

Simba - Why doesn't Lycoming take part in the ECAC?

[bill]

You have to be a member of the East Coast Athletic Conference to participate...and Lyco chooses not to be a member!

[jmcozenlaw]

You have to be a member of the East Coast Athletic Conference to participate...and Lyco chooses not to be a member!

Well that answers that

[bman]

You have to be a member of the East Coast Athletic Conference to participate...and Lyco chooses not to be a member!

Well that answers that

Looks like Lyco dropped their affiliation with the NAIA and ECAC in 1952, when they joined the NCAA.  Not sure why they have not looked to renew the relationship.  One more game is one more game, even if it is not where you want to be... 

[jmcozenlaw]

You have to be a member of the East Coast Athletic Conference to participate...and Lyco chooses not to be a member!

Well that answers that

Looks like Lyco dropped their affiliation with the NAIA and ECAC in 1952, when they joined the NCAA.  Not sure why they have not looked to renew the relationship.  One more game is one more game, even if it is not where you want to be...

Now that is an answer bman

[gordonmann]

I've heard that the ECAC affiliation is also more costly to maintain on an annual basis than the NCAA affiliation.   And while the NCAA shoulders part of the costs for teams to participate in their playoffs, the ECAC does not.

[jmcozenlaw]

I've heard that the ECAC affiliation is also more costly to maintain on an annual basis than the NCAA affiliation.   And while the NCAA shoulders part of the costs for teams to participate in their playoffs, the ECAC does not.

Gordon - If DelVal can "afford" an ECAC affiliation..............I would venture to guess that Lyco can as well.

Simba, write a check please and put ECAC in the lower left hand section

Gordon - Not to wish away the football season but it could be a very special men's basketball (and wrestling) season in Doylestown

[Bartman]

Hobart / LL fans should be on the Widener bandwagon. I think WID would have a 2-1 edge in RRO if Lyco hangs in Top 10, but SoS favors HOB (for now).

Assuming Widener wins(looks like the most probable outcome based on stronger defense), my little D3 calculator says(with some OOW pct. assumptions, although not perfect) Widener will  have a VERY slight edge on Hobart on SOS at the end of the weekend(obviously assuming Hobart beats Rochester) for ceding purposes. Delaware Valley would also have a slightly greater SOS advantage over Hobart if they win. I think the next tie breaker is brightest uniform, which Hobart will certainly win for the Halloween all orange uniform. Good luck to both DelVal and Widener this Saturday. Maybe catch you in the playoffs 

[bman]

Hobart / LL fans should be on the Widener bandwagon. I think WID would have a 2-1 edge in RRO if Lyco hangs in Top 10, but SoS favors HOB (for now).

Assuming Widener wins(looks like the most probable outcome based on stronger defense), my little D3 calculator says(with some OOW pct. assumptions, although not perfect) Widener will  have a VERY slight edge on Hobart on SOS at the end of the weekend(obviously assuming Hobart beats Rochester) for ceding purposes. Delaware Valley would also have a slightly greater SOS advantage over Hobart if they win. I think the next tie breaker is brightest uniform, which Hobart will certainly win for the Halloween all orange uniform. Good luck to both DelVal and Widener this Saturday. Maybe catch you in the playoffs 

Bartman
Last time Hobart was in Chester (I believe in 2000), I was in the stands.  I remember having a running dialogue with a Hobart fan regarding their unis...
I will admit I was less than gracious, but those uniforms hurt my eyes, and offended my senses...and if Hobart would have won that day, would have taken a ton of abuse!  Sunglasses are definitely the appropriate emoticon here... 
Given Hobart is the much more battle tested(insert accomplished) team, I would not welcome having to watch round 2...but I feel any match-up between WU, Hobart, Ithaca, and DV would be a great game.

[Bartman]

Hobart / LL fans should be on the Widener bandwagon. I think WID would have a 2-1 edge in RRO if Lyco hangs in Top 10, but SoS favors HOB (for now).

Assuming Widener wins(looks like the most probable outcome based on stronger defense), my little D3 calculator says(with some OOW pct. assumptions, although not perfect) Widener will  have a VERY slight edge on Hobart on SOS at the end of the weekend(obviously assuming Hobart beats Rochester) for ceding purposes. Delaware Valley would also have a slightly greater SOS advantage over Hobart if they win. I think the next tie breaker is brightest uniform, which Hobart will certainly win for the Halloween all orange uniform. Good luck to both DelVal and Widener this Saturday. Maybe catch you in the playoffs 

Bartman
Last time Hobart was in Chester (I believe in 2000), I was in the stands.  I remember having a running dialogue with a Hobart fan regarding their unis...
I will admit I was less than gracious, but those uniforms hurt my eyes, and offended my senses...and if Hobart would have won that day, would have taken a ton of abuse!  Sunglasses are definitely the appropriate emoticon here... 
Given Hobart is the much more battle tested(insert accomplished) team, I would not welcome having to watch round 2...but I feel any match-up between WU, Hobart, Ithaca, and DV would be a great game.

Those uniforms are meant to distract the opposition ...unless of course they are color blind . I was there at the game in 2000, it was a 40-14 loss for Hobart and Widener had an incredible receiver named Jones who seemed to break our back whenever we thought we could get back in the game. My 9 year old son cried and has hated the Philly area ever since...but happy for a rematch between undefeated teams if it is meant to be, or any of the other combinations mentioned.  Also have a score to settle with a loss to Delaware Valley in the 2005 playoffs. Good luck.

[wesleydad]

Who is going to be at the game this weekend?  I would like to meet some of you Widener and Del Val posters.  I will be the easiest one to find since I will likely, unless my Dad attends with me, wearing Wesley gear.  Let me know and I will find you.  If you are tailgating, tell me where and I will so up and chat for a little.  Looking forward to the game, should be a good one.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I've heard that the ECAC affiliation is also more costly to maintain on an annual basis than the NCAA affiliation.   And while the NCAA shoulders part of the costs for teams to participate in their playoffs, the ECAC does not.

ECAC = $3500 annually: you pay for postseason travel, tournament costs, etc. ECAC picks up the gate money.
NCAA = $900 annually: NCAA pays for a good majority of tournament travel costs. NCAA also picks up the gate money, but reimburses hosts (to a point).

I actually have not understood why schools participate in the ECAC, especially in these tougher economic times, simply for the chance to say their schools got a couple of post-season games when the costs don't add up.