FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[ktroutvon]

Apparently it was announced during the RPI webcast that the LL was going to or had extended an invitation to Susquehanna.  I assume that if these people are professional at all, an invitation would be a formality that would only occur after it had basically been negotiated. 

I don't know any more than that, so that is why I asked the question.  The LL is losing a member after this year.  They will still have enough for a pool A, but it probably makes more sense to have 8 teams, I guess.

[Tim Flynn]

Simba, are you implying that LVC fans are front-runners   I think Warren might be the only one to remember their last MAC title...

I'm a little surprised about Susquehanna and the LL. Not that Susquehanna wants out - there've been rumors flying around for years that SU and one or two others (Juniata always seems to pop up, occasionally Moravian too) were ready to jump ship. I don't really see the gain SU gets in going to Liberty, though - at least on the surface in terms of travel. In terms of being with "peer schools" from an academic standpoint, I'd think it'd be break-even or a marginal gain at best. But then, the argument has always been that the MAC could stand to lose a team or two in football for scheduling purposes - but a loss in the other sports would throw the entire Commonwealth/Freedom alignment out of whack.

[LVCALUM]

Simba, I'm glad a Lyco insider like you could set the record straight about the bulletin board.  You know, the type of insider who lives two hours from Williamsport, hasn't been affiliated with the program since the late 70s, and threatens to post messages on a non-existent bulletin board (which, by the way, existed when I was at lyco).  Also, rest assured that I am a former player.

Not trying to get personal, but I really hate it when people erroneously imply that others don't know what they are talking about.

Best of luck to all teams this week, especially LVC.

[Lyco80]

Simba,

Did not see you at the game on Saturday - but we looked for you, especially during class photo ops.

To anyone interested:

Lycoming played a spirited second-half of football gaining nearly 300 yards of offense, almost all of it through the air.  Defense, again, stiffened shutting out Wilkes who posted a 17-0 half-time lead.  However, Lycoming committed ten penalties for 123 yards, often during critical moments of play.  These miscues proved crucial.  The final score was 17-14 and as time ran out the momentum was clearly moving in the Warriors favor.  I talked with many on campus, including coaches, players, faculty and students.  Everyone is mystified by the current won-loss record but I sense a determination resonate that last year's team did not possess.  I think it was reflected in the team's second-half effort.  

Who can say what tomorrow will bring?  I am glad other teams in the MAC have stepped up, 50-0 blowouts were boring to watch.  I am hopeful that Lycoming will respond to the current challenge in ways similar to the teams in the early 90s, who were very erratic, before the 36-2 run of the teams of (1996-1999).

I am not sure what facilities some of you are referring to but the new gym, new recreation center, and stadium complex all seem pretty first-rate to me and are a substantive improvement from the time when Lycoming was the cream of the MAC.  Bottom line - football is played by football players who must make plays.  Those who consistenly do - win.

Sorry I missed you Simba.

All the best.

[MOJO]

Simba,
Ditto what LVCALUM stated.  What you implied wasn't quite accurate.  And for the record, I still think LVC will defeat LYCO when they play.  LYCO appears to not have the talent they have historically had in their program.  As with everything else in life, change is the one consistent constant.  As asked in previous posts, what do you perceive to be the problem at LYCO?  Is it strictly a recruiting issue?

[splik]

I would not start with the Lycoming is dead chants yet.  The same thing was said about Penn State and look where they are now.

[Chum Slam]

LYCO IS DEAD ! ! ! ! ! ! when you get blown out by FDU, yea... youre dead.

[PBR...]

>>>Who can say what tomorrow will bring?  I am glad other teams in the MAC have stepped up, 50-0 blowouts were boring to watch. <<<<                                                            the problem for lyco is now they are on the receiving end of the blowouts!!!! 

[Dynasty07]

heres the thing, i would not go as far as to say lyco is dead, but they are slipping. they are not the team that they once were, so i think a change is needed, be it coaching, players, facilities whatever. they need to assess their present situation and figure out what the necessary moves needed are. I do agree with prior posts that DVC current success and other teams making moves towards the top hurts LYCO's recruiting from SE PA, but there are quality athelets from other areas as well as other states.

anywho, how is Wilkes, they seem to be a solid team once again, how does everyone feel LVC will fair against them?

[MOJO]

Dynasty,
Anybodys guess!  Pursuant to a LYCO poster claiming the Warriors had 300 yards of offense against Wilkes in the second half, mostly in the air, might give LVC an edge.  With that being said, Wilkes always seems to be big and extremely aggressive, which might give the Dutchmen problems.  Remember, Wilkes played DVC within 3 points, and everybody knows how good DVC is.  Also, DVC shut down LVC's offense, making the Kelly / Brossman duo ineffective.  My hopes are with the Dutchmen, but Wilkes concerns me.  Best wishes to LVC.

[Chum Slam]

Any other Widener alums gonna be aat the game this weekend ? and what is your gameplan for homecoming?

[patcummings]

Multiple ideas have been floated around as to how best to change the MAC.  Splitting into a Commonwealth/Freedom really won't work - you need to add three more teams to maintain the automatic bid...tough to come up with that now. 

Most ideas are in two schools of thought...Juniata or Susquehanna or Moravian jump to the Centennial.  The other idea is to have Juniata flip to the Presidents Athletic Conference.  They would be the easternmost school in the conference, but still closer to many others (W&J, Grove City, Waynesburg, Thiel, new member Geneva) than they are to Del Val, Widener, King's, Wilkes.  But the PAC now has Thomas More which is a considerable haul...but that would only be every other year, as opposed to now. 

In other news...quote from today's Philadelphia Inquirer regarding the new opening at D1 (future Mid-America Conference school Temple)...

"Would Temple take a chance on a charismatic up-and-comer like G.A. Mangus, a former Florida Gators backup quarterback under Steve Spurrier who has somehow turned Delaware Valley into a local Division III powerhouse?"

Not a shock his name came up...just maybe surprised it came up that quickly.

[Warren Thompson]

Multiple ideas have been floated around as to how best to change the MAC.  Splitting into a Commonwealth/Freedom really won't work - you need to add three more teams to maintain the automatic bid...tough to come up with that now. 

Most ideas are in two schools of thought...Juniata or Susquehanna or Moravian jump to the Centennial.

When the Centennial became an all-sports conference (1992?), there was much talk about Moravian wanting to join.

[splik]

if you think people say Juniata is better than academically than most of their fellow conference members now, wait until they would join the president's conference.  I could see them joining the centennial way before joining the PAC.  also, since juniata is located almost in the geographical middle of the state saying the schools in western PA are closer than eastern PA does not necessarily work. 

[Billman56]

Pat Cummings

I am sure G.A.s name came up quickly. I personally would hate to lose the guy but then again, that is the nature of coaching. Onward and upward.   I am sure he could turn that program around. Maybe not as fast as DVC but surelyin a year or three.  Although Temple has some excellent assistant coaches with great credentials, it all starts at the top.