FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[splik]

Bossman,
I wish LVC would loosen their academic criteria in respect to at least a few student athlete recruits.

you have got to be kidding me.  grades are really not that important but lowering standards for someone to get in just because they're an athlete?  I hate it that DI schools do it, now D3 should too?

[MOJO]

Splik,
Just a few kids.  Specifically linemen.  Three or four kids a year would not jeopardize academic ranking.  Besides, they gotta make the grade or they won't graduate.  I think the program at LVC is headed in the right direction.  With that being said, I don't think they can reach the pinnacle where LYCO has been and where DVC is now, without making some concessions in the academic arena.  If you don't think it hasn't happened at other MAC schools over the years, you are grossly mistaken.  This is the SINGLE LARGEST REASON LVC has been noncompetitive over the years.  If you think that this has hampered the academic achievers at the schools that have taken this approach, be assured it hasn't.  DVC, LYCO, ALBRIGHT, WU have had their share of DRS., LAWYERS, AND INDIAN CHIEFS.  The achievers succeed regardless of the schools they graduate from in the MAC.  I have seen kids play at LVC that could have been starters at any school in the MAC, however there are not enough of these kids at other positions on the team.  You know and I know the historic reason for this trend at LVC.  Specifically the admissions and financial aid departments.  I'd like this program to be on top of the pile one of these seasons instead of always at the bottom.  End of discussion!

[patron2]

MOJO,

How bout the coaches at LVC just get after the smart kids and let the dumb ones go somewhere else?? Odds are, if they are that dumb, they wont make it long at the school anyways... Trust me, you wont win many games playing freshmen and sophomores every year.

I would tell you to check out the gpas of the kids committed to Charlie Weis and Notre Dame, but I think you would just come back with more blabble and whining about academic standards.

It is, what it is.  As soon as LVC starts putting effort into the things they do have, instead of worrying about what they dont - maybe they will get some better kids and win some more games.

[maAggie5]

Yo Aggies way to go! That was an awesome game. The QB from Albright is fantastic and had a great game. Their O-line did an awesome job of protecting him all day right up to when #55 came up big with a sack! DVC's defense has been great all year and had a couple of key injuries in the game yesterday but dug deep and manned up when it counted.

Congrats to Lyco on their win yesterday too.

For MoJo: you lost all credibility with your last post...

[splik]

I am willing to bet academic standards are not the only reason LVC has not been competitive.  There are plenty of schools have excellent academic standards and are competitive in sports.  Look at F&M in basketball and football (look at last year) or Johns Hopkins, not exactly weak sisters academically or athletically.  Heck, isnt LVC good at every sport except football?
That aside, I was impressed to see Lycoming win and make some noise for the MAC. Hopefully, Widener can do the same and knock off a tough Salisbury team soon. 

[LVCALUM]

Congratulations to Lyco for the big win this past weekend.  Has Glenn Smith been starting all year?  I went to high school with his cousin, who told me over the summer that Smith would be starting QB for Lyco this year, but I didn't hear hear anything about him until the Ithaca game.  However, I won't be rooting for them this week. 

Also, it sounds like the DVC-AC game was very exciting as well. 

As for all the talk about academics and all that--isn't it more fun to talk about football?

[LYCOFB]

Smith started the first two games, then split time for a game or two with back up QB Hanna. He won his starting position back before the wilkes game, and has started since then.
GO WARRIORS.... 

[bigdoggy]

  widener wins again......here goes a question for ya....why is widener not ranked yet....hey d3football.com  get in the game we are better then a couple of those teams...

[Pat Coleman]

If Widener hadn't lost to Wilkes ... or Wilkes hadn't lost to William Paterson ... you'd be getting more than zero votes.

[gordonmann]

Bigdoggy:

Pat hit the nail on the head.  I was the last guy voting for Widener this year.  But the Wilkes game throws a monkey wrench in any plans to put the Pioneers back on my ballot at least.  There are just so many other worthy undefeated and one loss teams left right now.

The Pioneers are certainly on my radar though.  I liked them coming into 2005 and that hasn't changed a whole lot.

[MOJO]

Posters,
Ok, lets talk football.  Pursuant to LYCO,s upset of then #8 Ithaca, I would be interested in feedback from anyone that attended the game or is knowledgeable about Ithica and the Empire 8 Conference.  Is the MAC a stronger conference?  Did Ithica take LYCO for granted, and get caught in doing so?  Did LYCO play above themselves or is LYCO a better team than people have expressed on the board?  Remember, this is the same team that was spanked by FDU.  Was that a quirk or was LYCO emotionally drained from their game with DVC the prior week?  Can LYCO put it together for LVC, or are they spent from last weeks surprising upset of Ithica?  I'm fortunate this week because I am both a LYCO and LVC fan, so I can't lose.  I hope LVC is victorious because I know some of the kids that are playing.  How good is LYCO's secondary?  Have opponents been successful throwing the ball against LYCO?  I,m assuming their ground defense will be tough, a usual LYCO trademark.  Well I'm anxious for feedback.  Best of luck to both the Dutchmen and Warriors to get through this game with no injuries.  Go Dutchmen!

[Chum Slam]

Congrats WU, great win, and it was great to be on the sidelines again. WUDLINE do you have the big one ? you never answered my question.

Also I'm hoping for a one loss Widener vs an undefeated Del Val for the MAC championship.

[WUDLINE]

Pat & Gordonmann
What confuses me about Wu not being in the rankings is that there seems to be a certian double standard. I agree that the Wilkes loss was not a vey good, but it was the first week of the season. Wu was without Schmit, Rock and Prothro. They have run off 5 straight wins since. If you argue the point that they should not be ranked because of a bad loss, then please explain how Salisbury stays ranked after lossing to Monclair.Furthermore Ithica lost to Lyco, which WU beat. If you going on the strength of schedule or quality of wins, WU is ranked 24th by d3. Ahead of teams like Coe(25),W & L (27), Ferrum(34), Cartage (34), Ithica (42), and W&J (53). All of these teams are either ranked or can be found in others recieving.

[PBR...]

dvc/widener if both win until the end of the season would be a great match up. although i will just take dvc winning out at this point no matter who they are playing!!!

[WUDLINE]

The Wu / Dvc will be a great one. Just like the last two. The both teams have a lot ability and the coaches know each other very well.