FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[AUPepBand]

Lots of schools are changing to University status.  In the past couple of years, Alvernia, Neumann and some school in Ohio called Mount Union have become Universities.  That gives rise to one of my favorite posts where someone suggests Mount Union University play the College of Wooster in the fabled MUU-COW match up.

There isn't really a huge difference is there?  I mean, you can just add one large program and call your school whatever you want.  Might cost more just to change the name on everything.  I mean, if you have never heard of Deleware Valley College or Ithaca College, you probably aren't going to hear of Deleware Valley University or Ithaca University either.

Some of the very old periodicals that Pep has the privilege of moving around in the library at Alfred University actually are labeled "Alfred College" which, in Alfred, could cause some confusion, given there are actually FOUR colleges that function in this narrow valley.  Anyone today calling Alfred State College "Alfred Tech" receives glares from ASC folks. Not sure why...it works for Georgia Tech. It seems to Pep that no matter what you call yourself, there will always be folks who:
a) have never heard of you
b) heard of you but thought you were something that you actually may not be
c) confuse you with a similarly-named institution
d) don't give a hoot

TRIVIA TIME: Pep will give +K to the first poster who can name the FOUR colleges that function in this place called Alfred, New York.

[SJFF82]

Lots of schools are changing to University status.  In the past couple of years, Alvernia, Neumann and some school in Ohio called Mount Union have become Universities.  That gives rise to one of my favorite posts where someone suggests Mount Union University play the College of Wooster in the fabled MUU-COW match up.

There isn't really a huge difference is there?  I mean, you can just add one large program and call your school whatever you want.  Might cost more just to change the name on everything.  I mean, if you have never heard of Deleware Valley College or Ithaca College, you probably aren't going to hear of Deleware Valley University or Ithaca University either.

Some of the very old periodicals that Pep has the privilege of moving around in the library at Alfred University actually are labeled "Alfred College" which, in Alfred, could cause some confusion, given there are actually FOUR colleges that function in this narrow valley.  Anyone today calling Alfred State College "Alfred Tech" receives glares from ASC folks. Not sure why...it works for Georgia Tech. It seems to Pep that no matter what you call yourself, there will always be folks who:
a) have never heard of you
b) heard of you but thought you were something that you actually may not be
c) confuse you with a similarly-named institution
d) don't give a hoot

TRIVIA TIME: Pep will give +K to the first poster who can name the FOUR colleges that function in this place called Alfred, New York.

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Alfred State College
Empire State College at Alfred State
Alfred University
NYS College of Ceramics


....sure do need that K

[SJFF82]

82 will return the K to the first poster who can name the only 4 colleges to beat SJF twice since 2004.

[lvcsid]

The MAC preseason poll has been released:

MAC Preseason Coaches' Poll
1.    Delaware Valley College    47 (6)
2.    Lebanon Valley College    41 (2)
3.    Albright College       37
4t.    Wilkes University       27
4t.    Lycoming College       27
6.    Widener University       24
7.    FDU-Florham          11
8.    King's College          10

[Lyco80]

This could be a year where everyone beats up on one another leaving the winner of the conference 6-4 or something close to that W-L record. 

The MAC is always a tough place but does not always travel well either outside the conference or in the NCAA.

The powerhouses of D-III, over the last ten years, seem to be a wee-bit more sophisticated with their play calling, passing and execution.

We certainly got spoiled by those incredible Warrior teams of the mid to late 1990s.

The Sine curve of life once again over took us and we found ourselves overcome by events - at least that's what she said.

Here's to a great season for all competitors!

ATB

[AUPepBand]

82 will return the K to the first poster who can name the only 4 colleges to beat SJF twice since 2004.

Alfred (3 times)
Mt. Union (3 times)
Hartwick (twice)
Salisbury Steak (twice)

[SJFF82]

82 will return the K to the first poster who can name the only 4 colleges to beat SJF twice since 2004.

Alfred (3 times)
Mt. Union (3 times)
Hartwick (twice)
Salisbury Steak (twice)

+k...although MUC beat them 4x (but that wasnt the question).  2X in NCAA and the home and home.

[LANES]

  Lanes is feeling a bit foreign to all of these "new" schools nowadays.  Back in the day the fomidables were the Susquies, Moravians, played some Bridgewater VA, Juniatta, Of course Lyco, DV and Widdie, and now to have to get to know the Alfreds, Jersey schools, Ohio Junior D1 schools and the like is like the world getting smaller.  I liked when The Mac was a PA league, played mostly in PA, and the rivalry seemed deeper and closer to the vest.

Brainstorming to the max after work, but does anyone remember the Kick returner/Tailback from Western Maryland back in 91/92.  The guy was hands down the fastest thing I ever failed to tackle. 

Memories, from the corner of my mind...

Oh, and yes, Del Vally could at least toss up a few more visitors bleachers.  It does not take that much or a complete master plan.


Hope everyone is well and looking forward.

[AUPepBand]

Pep is both eager and anxious (in the true sense of the word...worried) about Alfred's opener with the MAC's premier program from Widener. Pep understands that the Pride is coming off an uncharacteristic 3-7 season but with a first-year coach of Isaac Collins' caliber, Pep expects the Pride will field a very tough defensive unit and in 2010 will only improve with the maturing of returning starting QB Chris Haupt, should he continue as the starter.

Collins' accomplishments with the defense at The Citadel is remarkable. Collins is familiar with Alfred as he was a defensive coach at Hobart from 1994-1998, serving as defensive coordinator in 1998. It was during Collins' stint with the Statesmen that a porous Hobart defense was turned around and helped Hobart begin to dominate the Statesmen-Saxon series.

Given AU's so-so performance against MAC opponents of late (21-14 and 33-28 wins over MAC doormat FDU-Florham in 2008 and 2009, respectively, a 35-25 NCAA playoff loss to Albright), the Saxons will have their hands full with Widener.

[gordonmann]

You may not have caught this item on the front page, but there was big news for the MAC yesterday.

Stevenson (Md.) will join the conference as an associate member next year when they begin varsity football in 2011.  Previously known as Villa Julie, Stevenson plays in the Capital Athletic Conference in most sports.  One MAC coach told me he thought the Mustangs would be a contender relatively quickly given their location and commitment to athletics evidenced by their facility construction.

This also has a big impact on likely conference shifts on the east coast.  There was some thought that Stevenson starting a football program would give the CAC a chance to draw the schools together who are members in other sports for a new football conference.  Other members would be Frostburg State, Salisbury and Wesley.  They'd still need a couple associates to fill out the schedule.  Gallaudet, which recently left the CAC but is geographically close in Washington DC, would have been a natural prospect.  Newport News, which isn't in the NCAA and wouldn't help the conference get an AQ, has played with these teams in the ACFC and would have helped fill the schedule.  That would have made scheduling much easier for one member (Wesley) and cut down on travel for the others.  Salisbury and Frostburg State are associate members of the New York-based Empire 8 starting in 2011 and Gallaudet plays in the Maine-based East Coast Football Conference.  Now those teams may be less likely to leave their current arrangements.  The team that this hurts the most is Wesley.  Maybe Stevenson plays them and maybe not.  But, even if Wesley picks up that game, the Wolverines are becoming increasingly isolated.

I've had some interaction with Stevenson, mostly with AD and Men's Basketball Coach Brett Adams who has been a great friend to D3hoops.com.  It's great to have them in the conference and I look forward to fall trips to their scenic location.

[Pat Coleman]

Gordon,

I appreciate your listing the link to the endowment figures.

Lycoming's 2008 total was $132+ million with a decrease of about 23% for 2009.

Endowment's are similar to personal investments with ups and downs.  The point:  it is quite possible Lycoming will see a rebound on its paper, as will other schools, over the long run if they continue to hold and not sell.  As a personal note - one of my funds' is almost back to where it was before it tanked in Sep 2008.

The really important concept is that higher education is facility-intensive, white-collar labor intensive, and energy intensive.  These three pressures, combined with inflation force schools to make tough choices regarding athletics and the delivery of education - fewer tenured track professors, for instance.

College survival is not a guarantee - anyone remember Upsala?  Endowments will continue to support and reflect the well-being of institutions for the foreseeable future.

If you care about your alma mater - give to its endowment.

Not a football chat, admittedly, but no bucks - no Buck Rogers.

ATB

very true statement indeed...pbr thinks this is part of the reason dvc is going to a university status from a college....in fact they considered even renaming the school since in a survey people thought it was in the state of delaware.

Del Val is trying to go to University status because it has zero name recognition.  Some people think its in Delaware, some think its a junior college or a community college.  Now 10 years later then they should have, they finally get the ball rolling.......and continue to ask for money!!!

Gordon, I looked up the numbers of the endowment as well and was surprised at how low Del Val's was compared to other MASC schools.  Especially considering their tuition is $39,810 a year.

What a great business to be in....the economy tanked, and colleges continue to raise tuition and fees.

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[PA_wesleyfan]

 Coach Ed Hottle coached at Wesley and my understanding was that once Stevenson started football all CAC teams would play each other. That would leave them with only 2 open dates though..l

[PBR...]

This could be a year where everyone beats up on one another leaving the winner of the conference 6-4 or something close to that W-L record. 

The MAC is always a tough place but does not always travel well either outside the conference or in the NCAA.

The powerhouses of D-III, over the last ten years, seem to be a wee-bit more sophisticated with their play calling, passing and execution.

We certainly got spoiled by those incredible Warrior teams of the mid to late 1990s.

The Sine curve of life once again over took us and we found ourselves overcome by events - at least that's what she said.

Here's to a great season for all competitors!

ATB

could be but pbr cant see dvc or lvc w/ 4 losses...1 of them is getting thru with 1 loss in conference. dvc has a fairly tough OOC schedule so they may get dinged somewhere there as well, but 1 of the conference favorites imho gets thru pretty clean record wise. PBR is very much looking towards a night game season opener between muhlenberg and dvc. should be a good game and fun to take in a night game on the d3 level.

[AUPepBand]

This could be a year where everyone beats up on one another leaving the winner of the conference 6-4 or something close to that W-L record. 

The MAC is always a tough place but does not always travel well either outside the conference or in the NCAA.

The powerhouses of D-III, over the last ten years, seem to be a wee-bit more sophisticated with their play calling, passing and execution.

We certainly got spoiled by those incredible Warrior teams of the mid to late 1990s.

The Sine curve of life once again over took us and we found ourselves overcome by events - at least that's what she said.

Here's to a great season for all competitors!

ATB

could be but pbr cant see dvc or lvc w/ 4 losses...1 of them is getting thru with 1 loss in conference. dvc has a fairly tough OOC schedule so they may get dinged somewhere there as well, but 1 of the conference favorites imho gets thru pretty clean record wise. PBR is very much looking towards a night game season opener between muhlenberg and dvc. should be a good game and fun to take in a night game on the d3 level.

Pep is wondering where PBR sees Widener finishiing in the MAC in 2010. That 3-7 season appears to Pep to be a fluke.

[PBR...]

This could be a year where everyone beats up on one another leaving the winner of the conference 6-4 or something close to that W-L record. 

The MAC is always a tough place but does not always travel well either outside the conference or in the NCAA.

The powerhouses of D-III, over the last ten years, seem to be a wee-bit more sophisticated with their play calling, passing and execution.

We certainly got spoiled by those incredible Warrior teams of the mid to late 1990s.

The Sine curve of life once again over took us and we found ourselves overcome by events - at least that's what she said.

Here's to a great season for all competitors!

ATB

could be but pbr cant see dvc or lvc w/ 4 losses...1 of them is getting thru with 1 loss in conference. dvc has a fairly tough OOC schedule so they may get dinged somewhere there as well, but 1 of the conference favorites imho gets thru pretty clean record wise. PBR is very much looking towards a night game season opener between muhlenberg and dvc. should be a good game and fun to take in a night game on the d3 level.

Pep is wondering where PBR sees Widener finishiing in the MAC in 2010. That 3-7 season appears to Pep to be a fluke.

In the middle of the conference would be the pre-season guess...new coach and need to replace some players and get players that fit his system. sometimes a new coach pulls surprises in that no one has seen their offense/defense tendencies yet so they pull off some surprising wins. But pbr doesnt see them getting past dvc and lvc. Probably finishing behind Albright and fighting w/ lyco and wilkes for 4th spot in the mac.....just a guess so dont shoot pbr you widener fans!