FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[G-manWU]

I find it amusing that some fans are arguing about things like preseason polls and past glories....

In my book, the preseason poll was/is a mere formality that gives the coaches something to do on media day. Any competent coach would tel you straightaway that each team will prove it's talent on the field. True, the head coaches are the ones who vote on the poll, but it is also based mostly on what each team did last season, and on what talent each team has coming back.

If you want to use a preseason poll as a gage of respect, you may want to re-think those ideas.

As for the past glories, we were taught at Wilkes to have respect for all of the MAC programs, regardless of past histories. The team went 2-2 against both Lyco and DVC in my time with the program- all were clean, hard-fought games from what I could see. I don't think that because one program is so dominant now, and another was dominant recently, makes any one team, school, or fanbase better than the other. The Warriors put together a great game this week, and they deserve a hand for that. Same for DVC, so I suppose we will see how things shake out when everyone meets on the field later this season.

[maAggie]

"If you are still talking about what you did yesterday, you haven't done much today."  Most people on this board are hear to discuss the current happenings in the MAC...no one gives a rat's tail about what happened back in the day...the cold hard facts are that the class of the MAC resides in Doylestown.

[PBR...]

I find it amusing that some fans are arguing about things like preseason polls and past glories....

In my book, the preseason poll was/is a mere formality that gives the coaches something to do on media day. Any competent coach would tel you straightaway that each team will prove it's talent on the field. True, the head coaches are the ones who vote on the poll, but it is also based mostly on what each team did last season, and on what talent each team has coming back.

If you want to use a preseason poll as a gage of respect, you may want to re-think those ideas.

As for the past glories, we were taught at Wilkes to have respect for all of the MAC programs, regardless of past histories. The team went 2-2 against both Lyco and DVC in my time with the program- all were clean, hard-fought games from what I could see. I don't think that because one program is so dominant now, and another was dominant recently, makes any one team, school, or fanbase better than the other. The Warriors put together a great game this week, and they deserve a hand for that. Same for DVC, so I suppose we will see how things shake out when everyone meets on the field later this season.

exactly g-man...damned if u do ....damned if u dont.... if no one talks about preseason or early polls you get "why is it so quiet here on the boards...." yet when early polls are put out people all get their feathers ruffled when their team isn't ranked #1....

[G-manWU]

I find it amusing that some fans are arguing about things like preseason polls and past glories....

In my book, the preseason poll was/is a mere formality that gives the coaches something to do on media day. Any competent coach would tel you straightaway that each team will prove it's talent on the field. True, the head coaches are the ones who vote on the poll, but it is also based mostly on what each team did last season, and on what talent each team has coming back.

If you want to use a preseason poll as a gage of respect, you may want to re-think those ideas.

As for the past glories, we were taught at Wilkes to have respect for all of the MAC programs, regardless of past histories. The team went 2-2 against both Lyco and DVC in my time with the program- all were clean, hard-fought games from what I could see. I don't think that because one program is so dominant now, and another was dominant recently, makes any one team, school, or fanbase better than the other. The Warriors put together a great game this week, and they deserve a hand for that. Same for DVC, so I suppose we will see how things shake out when everyone meets on the field later this season.

exactly g-man...damned if u do ....damned if u dont.... if no one talks about preseason or early polls you get "why is it so quiet here on the boards...." yet when early polls are put out people all get their feathers ruffled when their team isn't ranked #1....

That's the bulk of it.

I remember the preseason poll for my freshman year, 2004,  which had Lyco edging out Wilkes by a single point for the top spot. If you were following the league then, you would see that the poll had the two best teams from last season picked to finish 1-2 for the current season.

Well, DVC sure showed Lycoming, Wilkes, and the rest who was boss in '04........

On the flip side, I believe the 2005 poll had us picked fifth or sixth in the league. With the question marks we had coming into that year, we were in no position to argue. After the opening week loss at William Patterson, many fans from other teams were saying "See, told ya so!"

Well, after a 7-1 MAC record and an NCAA appearance, I think the preseason estimates may have been a bit off.    But when those picks were made, it was completely understandable.

Bottom line is...DVC is playing well, Lyco is playing well, give them all some credit. And, if you haven't noticed, a certain team in Wilkes-Barre is 2-0 in the MAC. Fans of this league look to be in for some good football, so buckle up and enjoy the ride. 

[Lyco80]

Thanks to all - like I said "way too quiet in here" but not lately since I stirred the pot.

Which was the point of my posts - hyperbole, nostalgia, whatever.

DVC has been the cream of the MAC lately - mostly through a coach named Magnus who has since departed the pattern and a kid named Isgro - a son of either Ernie or Dannie Isgro - both Lycoming alumni - Ernie a first-class wrestler and Dan #56 and a heck of an O lineman.

Longevity is not unimportant nor is sustained superior performance.

My earliest post this season said I thought the MAC could be a soup sandwich - and it may actually be shaping up that way.

It is hard to read emotion on something so one dimensional as this but it seems as if my thoughts generate a good bit of heat from some of you.

I find that fascinating - on so many levels.

If it is true that DVC has been the cream of the MAC lately it is equally true that Lycoming has been the cream of the MAC longer.

I do not see how you can have one without the other - since you are viewing the totality of the program.

And by the way, what is wrong with history?  You know what they say about those who forget it, right?

While Lycoming did not win the first - losing in OT; nor the second - getting a beat down from MUC; they did play in the National Championship game twice in the 90's.

The Lycoming tradition is similar to the IC success story - although to be true IC won national titles and has been more successful.

How is it that some of you cannot even keep these things straight?

And, lastly, are the DVC fans finally so thankful they are out from the Warriors shadow that they do not like to be reminded?

I doubt DVC will beat Lycoming by 74 but will stay tuned, as Pep says, to do.

ATB

[Lyco80]

Just to be accurate - the earlier post (3 Aug) I referenced at the start of the season:

"This could be a year where everyone beats up on one another leaving the winner of the conference 6-4 or something close to that W-L record.

The MAC is always a tough place but does not always travel well either outside the conference or in the NCAA.

The powerhouses of D-III, over the last ten years, seem to be a wee-bit more sophisticated with their play calling, passing and execution.

We certainly got spoiled by those incredible Warrior teams of the mid to late 1990s.

The Sine curve of life once again over took us and we found ourselves overcome by events - at least that's what she said.

Here's to a great season for all competitors!"

ATB

[gordonmann]

For what it's worth, I think Lyco80 is just having some fun.  This board is more interesting when there's something to read.

Should be a good week with all four unbeaten teams playing each other.  We've got Gman back for Wilkes.  Can we get some of the Widener folks to return to the boards?  I'll try...

"Widener stinks!"*

* This does not reflect my actual sentiment.  Widener is a fine institution with a admirable athletic program.  No Widener alums were harmed in the writing of this post.

[Knightstalker]

+K Lyco for Soup Sandwich, only a squid would post that.

[PBR...]

Thanks to all - like I said "way too quiet in here" but not lately since I stirred the pot.

Which was the point of my posts - hyperbole, nostalgia, whatever.

DVC has been the cream of the MAC lately - mostly through a coach named Magnus who has since departed the pattern and a kid named Isgro - a son of either Ernie or Dannie Isgro - both Lycoming alumni - Ernie a first-class wrestler and Dan #56 and a heck of an O lineman.

Longevity is not unimportant nor is sustained superior performance.

My earliest post this season said I thought the MAC could be a soup sandwich - and it may actually be shaping up that way.

It is hard to read emotion on something so one dimensional as this but it seems as if my thoughts generate a good bit of heat from some of you.

I find that fascinating - on so many levels.

If it is true that DVC has been the cream of the MAC lately it is equally true that Lycoming has been the cream of the MAC longer.

I do not see how you can have one without the other - since you are viewing the totality of the program.

And by the way, what is wrong with history?  You know what they say about those who forget it, right?

While Lycoming did not win the first - losing in OT; nor the second - getting a beat down from MUC; they did play in the National Championship game twice in the 90's.

The Lycoming tradition is similar to the IC success story - although to be true IC won national titles and has been more successful.

How is it that some of you cannot even keep these things straight?

And, lastly, are the DVC fans finally so thankful they are out from the Warriors shadow that they do not like to be reminded?

I doubt DVC will beat Lycoming by 74 but will stay tuned, as Pep says, to do.

ATB

>>> And, lastly, are the DVC fans finally so thankful they are out from the Warriors shadow that they do not like to be reminded? <<<

not at all....we just prefer to live in the present! At least the last 5 years....and before Isgro there was a qb named knoblauch (hint look at those records if you want to see impressive as well)

And unfortunately lyco is afraid to wrestle dvc anymore and don't have to be reminded of the past as it rarely changed and beatdowns were/are a regular occurance!...lyco's wrestling team was a good scrimmage/warm up for the D-I schools dvc wrestles...

[PBR...]

For what it's worth, I think Lyco80 is just having some fun.  This board is more interesting when there's something to read.

Should be a good week with all four unbeaten teams playing each other.  We've got Gman back for Wilkes.  Can we get some of the Widener folks to return to the boards?  I'll try...

"Widener stinks!"*

* This does not reflect my actual sentiment.  Widener is a fine institution with a admirable athletic program.  No Widener alums were harmed in the writing of this post.

what are you switerland? take a stand 

[bill]

Are you implying that the Swiss are spineless? 

[kate]

Ah, come on PBR - you know all 16 of us are special in one way or another.  It's our diversity that makes us great AND strong!    Can't wait til the Phils play on Sat.!!!!

[Lyco80]

Thanks Gordo - at least someone here is reading beyond the words.

Thanks for the +k one squid to another.

By the way, when Knoblauch was qb wasn't the Coach Magnus?

ATB

[Lyco80]

I am already sick of the Redskin nation thinking McNabb will be their Moses. 

If you look at their offense they are averaging less than 20 points a game - which is not much offense for the NFL.

Thank goodness the Eagles won last night with Kolb.

The best news this season is that Dallas is currently 1-3 and the writers are already starting a Wade Phillips firing pool.

What a strange season - in the MAC, the NFC East.

At least the Yankees are still clicking along - perhaps to another collision with the boys from Philly.

That should be good for some chatter.

Everyone have a great week!

ATB

[Knightstalker]

I am already sick of the Redskin nation thinking McNabb will be their Moses. 

If you look at their offense they are averaging less than 20 points a game - which is not much offense for the NFL.

Thank goodness the Eagles won last night with Kolb.

The best news this season is that Dallas is currently 1-3 and the writers are already starting a Wade Phillips firing pool.

What a strange season - in the MAC, the NFC East.

At least the Yankees are still clicking along - perhaps to another collision with the boys from Philly.

That should be good for some chatter.

Everyone have a great week!

ATB

I forget who it was, but one of the announcers this weekend said the difference between the Yanks and Phils compared to the other teams in the playoffs (besides the monetary ones) is when the Yanks and Phils smell blood in the water they go in for the kill.  Looking ahead as a fan I think we will have another good World Series this year.