FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[Yanks 99]

SUNY-Maritime isn't taking away anyone's Pool C slot, though. Someone has to get those three Pool B slots -- they are the three Pool B automatic bids, handed out in the same ratio as Pool A teams get automatic bids.

When was the last time a Pool B rep was from the East though?

Even though the East Region has the most teams, we seem to get a lot shipped over this way come playoff time?  Adding a Pool B to the East hurts...

[Pat Coleman]

The Empire 8 and NJAC didn't used to have automatic bids. But again, that doesn't really matter. The committee will take their at-large teams from wherever. Doesn't matter if a Pool B team is from the East -- that doesn't keep the committee from taking any other teams from the East as well. They don't care if the East has 6, 7, 8, 9 representatives.

[Pat Coleman]

Even though the East Region has the most teams, we seem to get a lot shipped over this way come playoff time?  Adding a Pool B to the East hurts...

No, really it doesn't.

East has the most teams but remember 10 have declared themselves ineligible.

Pat answer me this though.  What if Suny Maritime, Wesley and Salisbury make the playoffs because of the pool B.  Doesn't that mean the other pool B teams go into the pool C group?  This kind of tells me the pool B bids do effect the pool C bids.

They do go into Pool C and are considered, but no Pool B team has ever gotten a Pool C bid in football. It isn't impossible, but then again, it's never happened. I don't think Case would be ahead of the other Pool C candidates this year, either.

[Yanks 99]

The Empire 8 and NJAC didn't used to have automatic bids. But again, that doesn't really matter. The committee will take their at-large teams from wherever. Doesn't matter if a Pool B team is from the East -- that doesn't keep the committee from taking any other teams from the East as well. They don't care if the East has 6, 7, 8, 9 representatives.

I don't buy it...I can see the committee saying that one region already has too many reps, and simply choosing another Pool C rep if a Pool B rep seems to overload the East.

[Pat Coleman]

Well, honestly, that just isn't the way the committee works. The East is so compact geographically that it can export teams as well as it can import them.

[Yanks 99]

Even though the East Region has the most teams, we seem to get a lot shipped over this way come playoff time?  Adding a Pool B to the East hurts...

No, really it doesn't.

East has the most teams but remember 10 have declared themselves ineligible.

Pat answer me this though.  What if Suny Maritime, Wesley and Salisbury make the playoffs because of the pool B.  Doesn't that mean the other pool B teams go into the pool C group?  This kind of tells me the pool B bids do effect the pool C bids.

They do go into Pool C and are considered, but no Pool B team has ever gotten a Pool C bid in football. It isn't impossible, but then again, it's never happened. I don't think Case would be ahead of the other Pool C candidates this year, either.

Even considering the NESCAC then, we have about the same amount of teams as the other regions then and still get a lot shipped our way.

[Yanks 99]

Well, honestly, that just isn't the way the committee works. The East is so compact geographically that it can export teams as well as it can import them.

When is the last time we exported a team?  Recent history says all the committee does is import teams.

[Pat Coleman]

If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.

[Jonny Utah]

Even though the East Region has the most teams, we seem to get a lot shipped over this way come playoff time?  Adding a Pool B to the East hurts...

No, really it doesn't.

East has the most teams but remember 10 have declared themselves ineligible.

Pat answer me this though.  What if Suny Maritime, Wesley and Salisbury make the playoffs because of the pool B.  Doesn't that mean the other pool B teams go into the pool C group?  This kind of tells me the pool B bids do effect the pool C bids.

They do go into Pool C and are considered, but no Pool B team has ever gotten a Pool C bid in football. It isn't impossible, but then again, it's never happened. I don't think Case would be ahead of the other Pool C candidates this year, either.

Ok, I see that.  Let me ask you this then.  What do you think would have happened if this was the year the E8 lost an automatic bid and all the teams were pool B instead of pool C or A?  It kind of makes it a different ball game and now you have to worry about SJF, Ithaca or Alfred possibly getting a pool B bid over Suny Maritime.  (A different question I know, but I kind of get this feeling that pool b teams have an advantage over pool C teams this year)

And I assume the NCAA has the right to pull away a pool B bid if the conferences/Independents/small conferences align themselves in a certain way.

[Yanks 99]

If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.

If SJF doesn't make it in as a Pool C this year (if Alfred wins the E8), and SUNY-Maritine makes it in as a Pool B, then yes...that is a bad thing...

[Jonny Utah]

If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.

I think its a bad thing.  If the NCAA decided to give out one more pool C bid this year and take away a pool B team, then SUNY Maritime gets lumped in with better eastern teams that probably have a better chance in the playoffs/beating MUC (Cortland, SJF, Montcliar, Rowan, Ithaca, Hobart)

[Pat Coleman]

If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.

If SJF doesn't make it in as a Pool C this year (if Alfred wins the E8), and SUNY-Maritine makes it in as a Pool B, then yes...that is a bad thing...

If SUNY-Maritime makes it as a Pool B, St. John Fisher's Pool C candidacy is not affected. They are not related items.

[Jonny Utah]

If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.

If SJF doesn't make it in as a Pool C this year (if Alfred wins the E8), and SUNY-Maritine makes it in as a Pool B, then yes...that is a bad thing...

If SUNY-Maritime makes it as a Pool B, St. John Fisher's Pool C candidacy is not affected. They are not related items.

I think we are saying that in theory, they could be related.  Like if Wesley goes 10-0, Salisbury goes 9-1, SJF goes 9-1, Suny Maritime goes 9-1 and Case Western goes 9-1.

In theory you have 4 of those teams eligible for the pool B slots, and then the one that gets left out can compete against SJF for the pool C slot.

[Yanks 99]

If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.

If SJF doesn't make it in as a Pool C this year (if Alfred wins the E8), and SUNY-Maritine makes it in as a Pool B, then yes...that is a bad thing...

If SUNY-Maritime makes it as a Pool B, St. John Fisher's Pool C candidacy is not affected. They are not related items.

I think we are saying that in theory, they could be related.  Like if Wesley goes 10-0, Salisbury goes 9-1, SJF goes 9-1, Suny Maritime goes 9-1 and Case Western goes 9-1.

In theory you have 4 of those teams eligible for the pool B slots, and then the one that gets left out can compete against SJF for the pool C slot.

Exactly...

[pg04]

SUNY-Maritime isn't taking away anyone's Pool C slot, though. Someone has to get those three Pool B slots -- they are the three Pool B automatic bids, handed out in the same ratio as Pool A teams get automatic bids.

When was the last time a Pool B rep was from the East though?

Hmm... I think it may be Brockport in 2003??