FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[dunleigh]

Lyco and Susq are pretty close together aren't they. I look up the schools' info on collegeboard.org to get quick info on them. Lyco seems to be pretty small. Even smaller than Albright, which my son thinks might be too small, but he liked his visits so he picked it.

Clicked on link to Susq from collegeboard.....saw they had a ring photo gallery link on the football page. I haven't seen that on other sites, it's a good idea. The ring looks nice. I dream for my son to get a ring like they got at Delaware Valley....it's really nice and says three peat. He considered DelVal, but the high % of agric students and the higher price after fin aid combined to make it a no-go. He really liked the coaches and stuff though.

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[kate]

Say WHAT  , you know the bumper sticker "No Farms No Food"

[dunleigh]

Sorry Kate! We are only an hour from DelVal, loved the area it was in (I grew up in Bucks County). He was afraid the ag majors would be all farm people and he'd have nothing in common. He's not a country boy. Sadly, I think the education is not ranked as high for him as the football, girls and parties and I assume he was afraid the second two wouldn't fit his style! The football is great...that much he knew. I HOPE he is going to school for more than what I listed though.

I should remind him what you said though!

You from DelVal? Or a farm gal from somewhere else? What's your interest in the MAC?

On another note....does anybody know if the D3's announce their recruits at any point?

How many freshmen does a typical MAC team take and how many of them are actually "recruited" rather than just sort of allowed to join the team? My son got a lot of attention from a few schools, but I heard the incoming #'s are high so I'm trying to get a feel of how it works. Should I ask this in a new message?

I'm so excited my son will be playing college ball this fall! Was afraid he'd bail out if he didn't go D2. Now I think he is excited!  Being from NJ...D2 (PSAC) was tough to get into without going hours away. The Eastern PA schools stuck with  PA boys.

[labart96]

Most D3 school's don't announce recruiting classes like D1 or other programs do.

That said it's pretty easy to mine the internet using phrases like "will play football at [insert school name]" to see who's planning on enrolling and trying out in the fall.

Guessing he'll be in a class of around 50 kids.  Of that usually 15-20 were "recruited" (sometimes even less than that), based on what I've seen at other schools (albeit not necessarily PA ones).

[dunleigh]

 I got the impression at one school in particular that if you want to be on the team, you can. Doesn't mean you'll play, but I guess they don't turn guys away. Tuition is one reason. Stevenson added football to try to get more males to attend the school. More athletes means more students and more $$. I guess there are students out there who like the idea of going to a school that has football, it's something to do on the weekend.

[Pat Coleman]

There are definitely programs with no-cut policies. And indeed there are schools that add football for enrollment purposes, others for school-spirit purposes:

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2005/adding-football-why-and-how

I don't think TGP's assertion of how many kids are "recruited" is at all accurate or prevalent nationally. It might be at Hobart (who knows?) but that is not how it seems to work most places.

[bill]

D3 programs are not allowed to speak of recruits until they have enrolled at school. Kids can announce where they are going as much as they like, but that's about it.

Some schools announce who has paid a deposit to attend, but even that gets "iffy"....

[Pat Coleman]

I don't believe that's iffy by NCAA rules, however. If you're saying that it's iffy because kids may still choose not to enroll, that's probably fair, but it's fine for schools to announce at that time.

[kate]

Good morning, dunleigh!  Yes, welcome to the board!  I'm from Belvidere, NJ, and while we were not farmers, we were surrounded by them, so i grew to appreciate everything they were doing.  Our son graduated from DVC in '97 (had nothing to do with any sport, unfortunately).  Since then, i've been a "hopeless homer"  , and followed Del Val sports (mostly women's basketball) religiously.  Their football team has made a remarkable turn around in the last several years.  It's been a blast to follow them!  Did you know that the college is hosting a Diversity Conference on May 25th?  All the way around, i see Del Val really moving forward.  The MAC is tremendous, strong & always interesting with headquarters out there at Lebanon Valley College in Annville.  I specifically like the MAC cause as a conference, they are diverse.  Best luck to your son as he starts his college and football career.  Usually, i'm over on the women's b'ball board, but like to pop over here once in awhile.

[bill]

Pat

I just checked with compliance and the NCAA rule book.  Basically, it is not permissible for the school to announce anything - acceptance, intent, etc., until the student has paid to enroll at the school - which is usually interpreted as a deposit.

But I still think it's "iffy" 

[labart96]

I don't think TGP's assertion of how many kids are "recruited" is at all accurate or prevalent nationally. It might be at Hobart (who knows?) but that is not how it seems to work most places.

I wasn't talking about national practices given the forum I posted in nor do I think that was the intent of the original question (perhaps I misinterpreted).  Obviously midwestern and other DIII colleges have much different practices and ability to recruit kids than most northeastern colleges do.

[labart96]

Pat

I just checked with compliance and the NCAA rule book.  Basically, it is not permissible for the school to announce anything - acceptance, intent, etc., until the student has paid to enroll at the school - which is usually interpreted as a deposit.

But I still think it's "iffy" 

I agree especially due to what Admissions officers refer to as "summer melt" (i.e., a kid puts a deposit down at one school while hoping to get off the wait list at another).  I can't speak for how prevalent this is outside NE/PA, but it was and remains a very common practice for most private colleges in this region.

[dunleigh]

I wondered, specifically, in the average MAC conference school,, how many of the 50-60 "commited players" that is those who told the coach they were coming...how many of them were actively sought after by the recruiting coaches. My son was told that he was high on the list of players they wanted for his position. I hope that means a good chance of first playing time...or at least making it onto the bus. By good chance, I mean compared to the other freshmen...not expecting to start first year! 50-60 guys is a lot of competition.

As far as annoucements....deposits are due May 1, so I wondered if they'd announce who had committed, basing commitment on deposit being sent in.

Obviously, I'm new to this world of college ball so please be patient!

[labart96]

I doubt you'll see any formal announcements.  The closest thing might be inclusion on the roster (around August) and/or a write up in the fall media guide.

[Pat Coleman]

I don't think TGP's assertion of how many kids are "recruited" is at all accurate or prevalent nationally. It might be at Hobart (who knows?) but that is not how it seems to work most places.

I wasn't talking about national practices given the forum I posted in nor do I think that was the intent of the original question (perhaps I misinterpreted).  Obviously midwestern and other DIII colleges have much different practices and ability to recruit kids than most northeastern colleges do.

You just have a way of taking things you've seen in a fairly limited slice of Division III and assuming they work that way for everyone. I didn't want the new person to look at your post and assume you were right for everyone.

Dunleigh, to answer your question, it is probably different everywhere. There isn't an answer.

I also looked at Albright's news archive and see that the school did not release commitments last season, so that's probably a good indicator.