FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[gordonmann]

Thanks, Kate.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Gordon... I think she is kissing up to you... or is a good friend  ... kidding aside... Gordon always does a good job in every sport he calls.

FYI MAC fans... Widener-Wilkes game garners some chat from Pat Coleman and Keith McMillian in the weekly D3football.com Podcast: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2012/09/24/atn-podcast-past-performance-not-indicative/

Also, highlights from the LVC-Stevenson game, along with my D3report from the game, are available here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pIvA-FLUxFg&list=PL2O_uY7lJEsLEsp3p2lxpDbHhf7JMK88q

[kate]

Dave, would you believe i've never met Gordon!   Just a rabid Aggie fan here, who on magnificent fall afternoons stays huddled over her computer to listen to DelVal football.  Good you don't know me from the women's basketball season  , boy i make the football postings look down right lame.   Cheer unashamedly for ALL Aggie sports.   

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

No... I do know you from basketball season... just having fun with Gordon .

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

In case you missed it, here is the hook-and-ladder (lateral?) play from the LVC-Stevenson game that was a D3football.com Play of the Week finalist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl3QKqOMEK4&list=PL2O_uY7lJEsKn7dlu90DV6qAVYnQrpKhG&index=3&feature=plpp_video

[TheGrove]

Not defending Widener here... but for some perspective, perhaps, here's what a Widener JV player's dad said to someone who gave him grief about the 90-0 score on Facebook:

"Short of taking a knee in the 3rd Quarter, I'm not sure what else they could do. All subs in the 2nd half. Part of the problem is the NCAA rule disallowing players who participate in even one play from playing in the JV Game the following Sunday or Monday. Widener could have cleared their bench, but would have had to forfeit Sunday's JV Game........ so the third and fourth string never got in."

I don't know, I think the opportunity to play a half of varsity football might make up for the forfeiting a JV game, but I'm not a football player/coach.

[lewdogg11]

Not defending Widener here... but for some perspective, perhaps, here's what a Widener JV player's dad said to someone who gave him grief about the 90-0 score on Facebook:

"Short of taking a knee in the 3rd Quarter, I'm not sure what else they could do. All subs in the 2nd half. Part of the problem is the NCAA rule disallowing players who participate in even one play from playing in the JV Game the following Sunday or Monday. Widener could have cleared their bench, but would have had to forfeit Sunday's JV Game........ so the third and fourth string never got in."

I don't know, I think the opportunity to play a half of varsity football might make up for the forfeiting a JV game, but I'm not a football player/coach.

I don't really have a problem with running up the score.(on purpose or not)  In a D3 format, you need to get noticed.  Maybe it's in poor taste, maybe not.  Maybe Wilkes should put out a better product. 

[Upstate]

Not defending Widener here... but for some perspective, perhaps, here's what a Widener JV player's dad said to someone who gave him grief about the 90-0 score on Facebook:

"Short of taking a knee in the 3rd Quarter, I'm not sure what else they could do. All subs in the 2nd half. Part of the problem is the NCAA rule disallowing players who participate in even one play from playing in the JV Game the following Sunday or Monday. Widener could have cleared their bench, but would have had to forfeit Sunday's JV Game........ so the third and fourth string never got in."

I don't know, I think the opportunity to play a half of varsity football might make up for the forfeiting a JV game, but I'm not a football player/coach.

If it was all subs in the 2nd half how did their starting QB toss two TDs in the 3rd quarter?

[dlippiel]

It wasn't really the starter. It was the ****in waterboy wearing his Jersey.

[G-manWU]

Not defending Widener here... but for some perspective, perhaps, here's what a Widener JV player's dad said to someone who gave him grief about the 90-0 score on Facebook:

"Short of taking a knee in the 3rd Quarter, I'm not sure what else they could do. All subs in the 2nd half. Part of the problem is the NCAA rule disallowing players who participate in even one play from playing in the JV Game the following Sunday or Monday. Widener could have cleared their bench, but would have had to forfeit Sunday's JV Game........ so the third and fourth string never got in."

I don't know, I think the opportunity to play a half of varsity football might make up for the forfeiting a JV game, but I'm not a football player/coach.

I don't really have a problem with running up the score.(on purpose or not)  In a D3 format, you need to get noticed.  Maybe it's in poor taste, maybe not.  Maybe Wilkes should put out a better product.

Just as an FYI, the "product" that Coach Sheptock has put on the field in the last decade owns a 7-3 record against Widener since the 2003 season, when I first started following football at Wilkes. That includes the 3-1 record the Colonels posted over the Pioneers/Pride (the name change took place in my junior year) in my years working with the program, from 2004-2007, with two of those three victories coming in Quick Stadum  The programs have also each won the same number of MAC titles (one) during that span.

If you are worried about Widener getting noticed, the program owns two NCAA championships, and countless all-American and all-MAC picks from over the years. I think if you looked at D3 football as a marketing exercise, the Pride may have the biggest brand value (no disrespect, Lyco fans) in the current MAC landscape. That's what makes the wins (yes, there will be more of the from the Colonels in the future) over Widener so special...it's beating the history and prestige that comes with the name. So when Widener shows up on the D3 playoff radar, the committee notices. It's much different from a case like DVC circa 2004, where a program is making a name for itself on the national stage.

Lastly, when I was working with Wilkes, the Pioneers had over 150 guys on the roster, and would dress over 100 for home games...lots of duplicate numbers  Can anyone really say they don't have enough guys in the program to sub everyone out and still play the JV game?

C'MON MAN!!!   

[PBR...]

Not defending Widener here... but for some perspective, perhaps, here's what a Widener JV player's dad said to someone who gave him grief about the 90-0 score on Facebook:

"Short of taking a knee in the 3rd Quarter, I'm not sure what else they could do. All subs in the 2nd half. Part of the problem is the NCAA rule disallowing players who participate in even one play from playing in the JV Game the following Sunday or Monday. Widener could have cleared their bench, but would have had to forfeit Sunday's JV Game........ so the third and fourth string never got in."

I don't know, I think the opportunity to play a half of varsity football might make up for the forfeiting a JV game, but I'm not a football player/coach.

I don't really have a problem with running up the score.(on purpose or not)  In a D3 format, you need to get noticed.  Maybe it's in poor taste, maybe not.  Maybe Wilkes should put out a better product.

Just as an FYI, the "product" that Coach Sheptock has put on the field in the last decade owns a 7-3 record against Widener since the 2003 season, when I first started following football at Wilkes. That includes the 3-1 record the Colonels posted over the Pioneers/Pride (the name change took place in my junior year) in my years working with the program, from 2004-2007, with two of those three victories coming in Quick Stadum  The programs have also each won the same number of MAC titles (one) during that span.

If you are worried about Widener getting noticed, the program owns two NCAA championships, and countless all-American and all-MAC picks from over the years. I think if you looked at D3 football as a marketing exercise, the Pride may have the biggest brand value (no disrespect, Lyco fans) in the current MAC landscape. That's what makes the wins (yes, there will be more of the from the Colonels in the future) over Widener so special...it's beating the history and prestige that comes with the name. So when Widener shows up on the D3 playoff radar, the committee notices. It's much different from a case like DVC circa 2004, where a program is making a name for itself on the national stage.

Lastly, when I was working with Wilkes, the Pioneers had over 150 guys on the roster, and would dress over 100 for home games...lots of duplicate numbers  Can anyone really say they don't have enough guys in the program to sub everyone out and still play the JV game?

C'MON MAN!!!   

Exactly I would give Widener a pass if they were just running the football and Wilkes wasn't good/strong enough to stop it. But when your up by that much and still throwing the football, to me that is blatant disrespect. It's not like Wilkes has done anything historically to Widener to make Widener want to shove it up their rear ends. Like I said earlier for me if I was on Widener's administration there would of been a meeting 8am monday morning with the football coach. These schools compete on the field but sometimes work together off. What do you gain by embarassing someone like that? Why rub their noses in it and keep passing? I still don't know how the Widener coach looked him in the eyes after the game and said "good game coach...". Lucky he didn't get a right cross....

[lewdogg11]

That was quite a write-up on Wilkes and it doesn't look like their team is as bad as a team who just lost 90-0.  But they just lost 90-0.  90 points!!!  If you're going to tell me, even with JV's on the field that the product was there to play football last week, you're lying.  90 points.  I don't care if they are playing the Packers.  90 points is a lot.  Widener scored 4 touchdowns in 3 quarters!!!!  That's near impossible.  People give me the 'short field' excuse...They were given the ball short field.  This isn't just about Widener's offense and Wilkes' defense.  It's also how bad Wilkes was on offense. 

And you can say what you want about how 'noticed' Widener is but the only team noticed in that conference to this point in the season is Delaware Valley because of success in recent years.  People remember Widener from 10-12 years ago and Lyco from back in the day, but they've been mediocre since then.  I think this is a way to get people to associate this team with those nasty teams from the early 2000s.  Maybe they think they are that good and they want someone to catch on before November.

[Warren Thompson]

All of DIII has now "noticed" Widener.

For whatever reason, they apparently decided that winning by 90 points was worthwhile. However, they might some day have cause to reconsider that decision, especially since humiliating a fellow MAC team isn't like demolishing some cupcake in a pre-season scrimmage.

[bman]

My first reaction to that score was excitement, but I agree with you Warren...embarrasing a long time league member is not the right thing to do...There are lots of ways to call the dogs off, once you get to a certain point...
Not the most classy move by my alma mater.....

[jknezek]

My parents are Wilkes alums. He happened to be visiting me last weekend when I relayed the score. He went into a bit of shock and then shrugged. In the end, his response is this stuff tends to be cyclical and in 5 or 10 years Wilkes will have a good team, Widener will be down, and hopefully Wilkes will put up 65 before kneeling down. Of course, he went on to say that he will donate to Wilkes to send that inevitable game tape to every contested recruit for the next 10 years...