FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

bill · October 28, 2015, 03:03:32 PM

It will not happen. There is not enough support for it Division-wide, and there's no way the MAC (and in my opinion, the NESCAC and Centennial) will ever buy in either. There's actually support for shortening non-traditional seasons, not expanding them like this....

Warren Thompson · October 28, 2015, 03:24:20 PM

Quote from: bill on October 28, 2015, 03:03:32 PM
It will not happen. There is not enough support for it Division-wide, and there's no way the MAC (and in my opinion, the NESCAC and Centennial) will ever buy in either. There's actually support for shortening non-traditional seasons, not expanding them like this....

I hope it doesn't come to be.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · October 28, 2015, 03:48:50 PM

It won't happen in the near term only because all seasons and non-traditional seasons are being evaluated right now by the NCAA subcommittee on practice and playing seasons. So the entire system for all sports is being reconsidered and I suspect a number of items will be changed when those findings are released.

The MAC was actually all over the place... believe it or not, most said yes to the idea, but not all.

Here is how it broke down:

Football Schools	Question 5	Question 5 Reconsidered
Albright	NO	YES
Delaware Valley	YES	YES
FDU-Florham	NO	NO
King's	YES	YES
Lebanon Valley	YES	YES
Lycoming	YES	YES
Misericordia	YES	YES
Stevenson	YES	YES
Widener	NO	NO
Wilkes	YES	YES

And here is how the rest of the conference voted:

Other Schools	Question 5	Question 5 Reconsidered
Alvernia	Abstained	Abstained
Arcadia	Abstained	YES
DeSales	YES	(no vote registered)
Eastern	Abstained	NO
Hood	Abstained	Abstained
Manhattanville	YES	YES
Messiah	YES	YES

As for the overall vote... the first time it was defeated: 188-202-86. Then when it was reconsidered: 196-212-26

bill · October 28, 2015, 04:12:13 PM

Dave

Thanks for putting the numbers to it! I didn't know the breakdowns off the top of my head

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · October 28, 2015, 04:41:14 PM

No problem... you can find how everyone voted here: http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2015%20NCAA%20DIII%20Convention%20Roll%20Call%20Votes%20Report.pdf

@d3jason · October 29, 2015, 09:36:03 AM

As a player, I enjoyed spring ball with pads. We scrimmaged a lot and got to play football. That was fun.

@d3jason · October 29, 2015, 10:02:21 AM

Which makes me wonder? Is there player input on this?

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · October 29, 2015, 10:16:32 AM

The National SCAC did have an opinion on the matter... they speak before each bill is presented and state whether they are for or against this.

If memory serves (I will try and look it up), the SCAC was for it. I think it was the only bill last January they spoke on the opposite side of where the bill eventually lead. Now, I might be confusing that with another controversial bill... which is why I will try and look it up.

The idea is far more complicated than just allowing more padded practices. I don't have the time to write them all up and why, but with pads means athletic training staffs have to be onsite, probably two people, which stretches many school's AT programs, there is the amount of time student-athletes are involved or being told they need to be involved in sports (i.e. more practice time), safety and health, and the true Division III student-athlete experience. I know many ATs are against the pads for many of those reasons. Again, don't have time to get into it, but it isn't cut and dry as to whether there are pads or no pads.

jmcozenlaw · October 30, 2015, 05:42:06 PM

Prediction Time:

Bman - 37 Simba - 20
FDU - 33 Misericordia - 18
Stevenson - 31 Wilkes - 13
Albright - 41 King's - 23
DelVal - 24 LebVal - 23

wone3 · October 30, 2015, 11:06:18 PM

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 30, 2015, 05:42:06 PM
Prediction Time:

Bman - 37 Simba - 20
FDU - 33 Misericordia - 18
Stevenson - 31 Wilkes - 13
Albright - 41 King's - 23
DelVal - 24 LebVal - 23

Like your choices...and for the most point the spread except I think you a bit high for Kings...that should be at least a 21 point for Albright.

That Del Valley / Leb Valley game is gonna be fun to watch the score on for sure. Leb Valley stays out of their own way by keeping the turnovers and opportunity for them down and they could pull the win out. I'm basing it from watching both games online vs Stevenson.

Safe games for all teams!

Simba · October 31, 2015, 09:27:49 AM

And here I thought ESPN Gamday would be at the Widener/Lyco game today!

bman · October 31, 2015, 10:07:57 AM

Had a busy week, and didn't have a lot of time to research this week...

I like JM's predictions with a few twists:

Widener - 24 - Lyco - 23 - which ends an a blocked fake punt in overtime

Misericordia - 35 FDU 21 - sorry Bill, your boys have burned me a few times this year!
Stevenson - 31 - Wilkes - 13 - JM going with your score here....
Albright - 35 - King's - 13 - just don't see Kings being able to score here...but what an improvement over the beginning of the season
DelVal - 35 LebVal - 20 - If DelVal loses, I'll have no idea on how to vote for anything in the East fan poll...

Simba · October 31, 2015, 11:48:41 AM

Widener/Lyco (pick'em +1)
MiserableCordia by 7
Stevie by 10
The Bright ones by 14
The Agonizers by 7

kate · October 31, 2015, 03:39:02 PM

That was close - Congratulations on a good win Del Val! Aggies 28/Leb Val 21. Whew!!!

wone3 · November 01, 2015, 11:30:41 AM

Kudos JM for basically calling the Stevenson score and being very close on the Albright one outside of the late junk TD!

Congrats Kate...one down and 2 to go...would be nice for Lyco to find themselves and actually play this close or better to knock Del Valley out but I don't see it. The Widener game last week is gonna be fun to watch ( especially to this week's winner of Stevenson/Albright game).