FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[blugold45]

It was a joke, I know nothing of the MAC, no one does outside of your conference.  Frankly I would like to see the MAC play the WIAC and see what happens, it would be ugly, clean sweep on the WIAC's side.  Shoot the WIAC could sweep some D2 conferences (NSIC). 

Pat is correct, the bad karma is completely the St. Johns posters, they don't like me, I think its because we are the only team that can say they do not dominate on a regular basis in the regular season. 

[bman]

Bluegold

Right now, I would agree with you to an extent...the MAC has not been as strong nationally as it has been in year's past.  You should never dismiss a MAC team as an "easy" win however.  If you get out east to see your brother this year, we can suggest some match-up you should see, as there are strong rivalries in the MAC and some great games...

[JQV]

I think its because we are the only team that can say they do not dominate on a regular basis in the regular season. 

That is quite an accomplishment.  You guys should put it on a banner or something.

[blugold45]

High,

Just stating that they have consistently dominated that part of the country and to have any other teams, Whitewater, beat them regularly is odd.  You wouldn't know that being out east, didn't expect you to get it.  Pat would know.

[PBR...]

It was a joke, I know nothing of the MAC, no one does outside of your conference.  Frankly I would like to see the MAC play the WIAC and see what happens, it would be ugly, clean sweep on the WIAC's side.  Shoot the WIAC could sweep some D2 conferences (NSIC). 

Pat is correct, the bad karma is completely the St. Johns posters, they don't like me, I think its because we are the only team that can say they do not dominate on a regular basis in the regular season. 

my bg45 arent we quite high on the horse for a team that finished 3-7 last year (2-5 in your dominant wiac league)...your correct i am sure the wiac we just sweep the mac especially since as you state you know nothing of the mac! umm yeah good  point that statement makes sense

[bman]

PBR

I think it would be fair to say that the WIAC best would consistently beat the MAC best right now...

...that would be my "non inflamitory" concession....

[PBR...]

bman it may but without seeing the wiac play i wouldnt make that statement the only way to prove it would be on the field. but i would not make a statement of saying something to the extent of "the mac would sweep the northwest conference and it would be ugly" without having ever seen the northwest conference play. IF someone were to have seen several teams play from each conference i would believe that opposed to have never have seen a team play and make a statement like that. My question is does bg45's brother feel the same way in that since he is now coaching at albright they are going to stomp on the mac?

[blugold45]

PBR,

Thats not a question to ask him, he hasn't seen any of the MAC play.  Having played in D2 level and D3 level I can tell you that the WIAC is CLEARLY superior to almost all other conferences in D3 and some D2.  If they chose to move up to D2 they would be very competitive quickly. 

The talent in the WIAC is no mistake.  When you are a highschool football player in Wisconsin, you have two options.
#1 you go to Madison because you are D1 material or shipped out of state to another D1
#2 you go to a WIAC school, there are not to many options for D1AA or D2

That leads to many players that are D1AA or D2 material playing in the WIAC, which is why they have more players make it to the NFL then conferences like that MAC, to many options out East for highschool players.

D3 football players drafted:
Year Player, school Team Round-overall
2006 Michael Allan, Whitworth Chiefs 7-231
2006 Derek Stanley, UW-Whitewater Rams 7-249
2003 Ryan Hoag, Gustavus Adolphus Raiders 7-262
2002 Tony Beckham, UW-Stout Titans 4-115
2002 Michael Coleman, Widener Falcons 7-217
2000 Tim Watson, Rowan Seahawks 6-185
1999 Clint Kriewaldt, UW-Stevens Point Lions 6-177
1996 Ethan Brooks, Williams Falcons 7-229

Not to mention Pete Schmitt and Derek Stanley of Whitewater both on teams currently.

Also, Owen Schmitt, fullback at West Virginia, who started at UW-River Falls and transferred to UWV.  Blocking for Slaton and White, will be a NFL player soon.

[bman]

Bluegold

The funny thing is when you look at the draftees you list, you have 3 from the WIAC, then 2 from the MAC... then 4 others from ALL of the D3 conferences....

The basis of the statetment that you make, is that there are less schools geographically out west and hence the talent gets concentrated, whereas in the East there are more options /parity.   The OAC boys got very perturbed with me for making that very point in the early 2000s when Widener was competitive nationally.

I don't disagree with that logic, but you method of delivering it is very inflamitory...


PBR

I agree with you as well.  My basis for making the comment was not a knock of DV (who has dominated the MAC of late) but simply one of comparitive reasoning, since the East region (MAC included) has not fared well against the west of late....

[blugold45]

Bman,

I didn't mean the west in general because in Minnesota, Iowa, Dakota's there are plenty of D2's and D1AA's.  I was focusing on WI only.    My bad on the draftees I was wrong there, was only looking at the WIAC ones. 
You guys are way too nice here on the MAC board.  Don't mean to be inflamitory, I am just used to having to be on the WIAC and MIAC boards.  You guys aren't as mean as the MIAC and WIAC posters.

[bman]

Bluegold

This board flares every once in a while...The Liberty League board is brutal if you get on the wrong side or make illogical comments...

I should have been more specific about my "out west" comment.  Back then, I was specifically talking about the Ohio college landscape.

[MOJO]

Posters,
For better or worse, D3 level football is D3 level football.  Generally speaking, the talent pool at this level is not as good as D1 or D2.  My perceptions are that if you compare the top level teams in D3, regardless of the conference, with few exceptions parity exists.  Mount Union, a perennial powerhouse in the D3 arena, have they ever produced a tradesman NFL player?  How often does a D3 draftee ever make it to being a NFL tradesman player?  Answer = Seldom if Ever!  Comparing strength of conferences by kids that get drafted but seldom if ever make it, is a poor barometer of league/conference strength.  By the way, watch out for those Dutchmen this season.

[gordonmann]

Not to be contradictory, but I only see one MAC player on the list of draftees (Coleman from Widener).

[gordonmann]

On the MAC itself, you never know what the summer brings (or takes away).  That being said...

I'm pretty high on Leb Val for 2007.  I was very impressed with their young running back (Charlie Parker) and the improved pass defense.  Drew is a nice player on the line and Brossman is a potential MVP, even with a new quarterback.  He's the kind of player who can turn a 10 yard slant into a huge gain.  They were close to beating Wilkes and Del Val last year.

BUT I don't like the way their schedule lines up. 

They play Wilkes at home in the conference opener.  Hello, young quarterback -- meet Kyle Follweiler and the Colonels defense.  Then they get Del Val at home and Widener on the road.  I'm not sure what to expect of Del Val (another topic for another time) but the Pride had an excellent run defense last year.  Leb Val hasn't beaten Widener much recently except for the 3-0 complete game shut out they threw in the muck a couple years ago.

If they drop two of those first three, they are pretty much cooked in the conference race.  Because I don't see Wilkes losing twice in conference next year.

[PBR...]

i agree gordon LV is making slow steady progress. i am not sure about dvc this year and expectations kind of feel the same about lyco and widener as well. wilkes and kings will both physical games as usual. bman we on the LLPP are cool cats just as long as people dont make completely illogical and crazy comments that they think are true.