FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[PBR...]

i would agree gordon although i would probably swap lyco and widener followed by lvc....definetly should help w/ recruiting facility wise.

[jb]

I'll be packing some HEAT!  kinding again.....I look for lyco  to claim that property as their own.  as usual !!!!!  just stiring the pot!


sorry!

[bman]

When did Lyco redo their field?

[formerwu]

Not sure, i think they copied off of Widener

[PBR...]

When did Lyco redo their field?

when leb valley beat them thought it would change their luck....

[Lyco80]

Your rapier wit is too much for me even at the distance of Yokohama, Japan.

In defense of my alma mater, Lycoming steadily improved its endowment since 1989 allowing it to make substantive capital improvements to all facilities, not just athletic. 

There is more to a school than merely the turf used for competitive athletics - check the facts.

I am willing to guess that Lycoming's endowment is among the very best in all of the MAC.  And gentlemen, the future of D-III schools lies in the ability to fund raise as the fees and tuition are overmatching the very middle class families that historically send their sons and daughters to our institutions.

Eventually we will see a marked change in the delivery of education - in other words, part-time faculty, who do not possess the terminal degree for their field teaching their subject.  But hey, as long as you have a winning team all is right in the world?

The future of all higher education and learning revolves around dollars - not wins and losses - although they may help as a means to an end.

ATB

[Pat Coleman]

MAC endowments, as of 2006, according to NACUBO:

Lycoming: 114,011,000
Widener: 68,622,000
King's: 51,840,000
Lebanon Valley: 41,153,000
Wilkes: 39,823,000
Albright: 37,000,000
Delaware Valley: 16,180,000
FDU was not listed in the report, either campus.

Non-football schools:
Elizabethtown: 44,762,000
Arcadia: 42,424,000
DeSales: 40,408,000
Alvernia: 14,337,000
Misericordia: 11,805,000
Messiah was not listed

Departing institutions:
Drew: 241,450,000
Susquehanna: 108,259,000
Scranton: 104,039,000
Moravian: 81,544,000
Juniata: 63,102,000

[bill]

Pat

FDU's endowment is around 10 million. It's not split by campus.

Are you sure about the Del Val number? I thought it was more like 8-10 million, but who knows.....

[Ralph Turner]

MAC endowments, as of 2006, according to NACUBO:

Lycoming: 114,011,000
Widener: 68,622,000
King's: 51,840,000
Lebanon Valley: 41,153,000
Wilkes: 39,823,000
Albright: 37,000,000
Delaware Valley: 16,180,000
FDU was not listed in the report, either campus.

Non-football schools:
Elizabethtown: 44,762,000
Arcadia: 42,424,000
DeSales: 40,408,000
Alvernia: 14,337,000
Misericordia: 11,805,000
Messiah was not listed

Departing institutions:
Drew: 241,450,000
Susquehanna: 108,259,000
Scranton: 104,039,000
Moravian: 81,544,000
Juniata: 63,102,000

I am glad to see Pat using the NACUBO reference.

Here is the link to the 2006 NACUBO pdf.

+1 Lyco80!  You are right about the critical nature of endowments.  Most schools only draw 3-5% of their endowments annually to support any other activities.  On $10 Million, that is only $300,000.  That may only cover 4 professors at a small school, and nothing else that the school may want to do in the way of building improvements, academic scholarships, new programs, etc.

[Pat Coleman]

Are you sure about the Del Val number? I thought it was more like 8-10 million, but who knows.....

It appears to be growing -- the data Ralph links shows a 10% increase in the previous year.

[Lyco80]

Pat and Ralph,

Thanks for the confirmation and the affirmation.

College football is among the very most expensive of all collegiate sports - the only ones that may be more costly are anything equestrian or involving the rental and maintenance of an ice rink.

Endowments, while not directly in support of D-III athletics by design, do permit college administrators greater flexibility for funding all programs, not just football.

The list Pat published is not encouraging for many of the MAC schools, at least when it comes to endowment figures.

Higher education is prohibitively inflationary due to high facility costs, an over abundance of white-collar labor, and, at least in the Mid-Atlantic Region of the USA, a dependence upon fuel oil for heating in a challenging winter climate - which is most of the school year.

Lycoming is currently embarked on a nearly $50 million capital funds campaign.  Like it or not, higher education is in a very competitive market place and not just on the gridiron.  The real score is kept by accountants and treasurers, not referees or league officials.

Thanks, again, for the "at a boys" - they are sincerely appreciated.

ATB

[bill]

Well, open mouth (keyboard?) insert foot...

FDU's endowment for 2007 is 14.3 million...better, but not there yet..

We've got a lot of catching up to do, but I do believe we are by far the youngest school in the conference...

[formerwu]

Lycoming: 114,011,000
Widener: 68,622,000

Looks like the only thing that Lyco has been able to beat Widener at lately ;-)

[bman]

+K Formerwu!

My thought was that it was the Diocese of Philly stashing away money at Lyco, so they can claim poverty when the molestation lawsuits roll in!

...It's a joke guys.....lighten up

[bman]

Lyco80

Not sure where that rant came from...I was simply asking when Lyco redid their football complex.... Normally, there is talk about changes that happen on the boards, or in Pat's general news.

Ironically enough, you mention that Lyco has been making upgrades steadily since 1989 (which is the last time I was at Lyco), so I am assuming that there has been upgrades over the years.

What prompted the question was that Gordon and PBR had mentioned that the facilities were one of the nicest in the MAC, and in the late 80's when I was there, they did not seem overly special, so I was wondering what was done to improve the area.

I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact that endowment has a huge role in funding athletics (just ask any Upsala graduate), but I am not sure how you segued into that topic....