FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

BTEXPRESS · January 18, 2008, 01:18:07 PM

Isn't Michael Clark a Lycoming alumus? At least the school hired someone with ties to the school. Look around at the college football landscape ( all divisions). Most schools want to start fresh with their hires. Even at divison 1A most schools look to the outside. Other that West Virginia and Hawaii, all the other hires this off season have come from the outside. Lycoming's new coach is a spring board to the futue. Hopefully Coach Wiser decides to stay and can be a link to the past.

Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD · January 18, 2008, 01:47:08 PM

With all of these speculations about Lycoming, i think that what is being most overlooked in this situation is the team and the players. What happened to wise is not right. What happened to G is certainly not right, seeing as hes an icon of the school and D3. But reading articles online and hearing from kids at school it seems that some coaches are backing out without talkin to the kids...

It has always been loyalty at lyco, i dont know what to think of this.

I think wise is a great coach he shouldnt be mad at the team, but at the school. he obv loves football why not bring lyco back, he had one of the top defenses in the mac last year....BRING IT BACK WISE

john merrick · January 18, 2008, 01:50:54 PM

Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD,

You're assuming the new coach would hire Wise.

Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD · January 18, 2008, 01:55:57 PM

Im not assuming that the hire will happen. Im saying what happened in williamsport is sad with the way admin handled it. I like Wise as a coach and i feel that if Lyco is to return to its true form that Coach Clark should at least sit down with wise and discuss the future of the TEAM because thats ultimatly what it comes down to.

thanks

john merrick · January 18, 2008, 01:59:08 PM

Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD,
You write, "Bring it back Wise."

Tough to do if he's not on the staff.

Lyco80 · January 18, 2008, 02:23:12 PM

Quote from: Little G on January 18, 2008, 07:52:36 AM
Lyco 80. " Acedemic standards for the schools in the MAC are different. I don't want to take anything from GA, del val or any other MAC school. But we were getting beat by alot of kids that preferred Lyco, but could not get in. Again, I don't blame school, because if we could get them in we would have also."

Little G,

Cited above are your words that seem contradictory to your most recent post "When did I say that smart young men can't make good football players?"

The answer to your question seems embedded in the above paragraph.

Perhaps what you really mean is that Lycoming's academic admission standards are tougher now than before. That is probably true and can be proven if we check facts like test scores, class standing, etc. against previous years.

Regardless, it seems clear to me the decision to bring in Mike Clark was likely based on a number of factors not readily apparent to us. Your argument is not with me, however, I stand by my comments and observations. Understandably you feel justified in your opinions given the contributions you and your family made to Lycoming. Funny, I feel the same way too.

ATB

BTEXPRESS · January 18, 2008, 02:29:10 PM

John Merrick, Do you have inside information that Coach Wiser WILL NOT be back?. Who has the final say in this matter, Coach Clark or Coach Wiser?

john merrick · January 18, 2008, 02:33:13 PM

BTEXPRESS,
I do not have inside info on whether Coach Wise will stay or not. But who ever heard of a coach from another staff just deciding to stay? Hasn't the incoming coach always had that say? Coach Wise can't just decide he's staying, the incoming coach would have to want him.

BTEXPRESS · January 18, 2008, 02:53:54 PM

I could be wrong, I don't have any hard data, but usually Division III schools do not turn over entire staffs when a new Head Coach is named. It is not like Division I where an entire staff is fired with the old coach. Take a look at Albright last year, most of the staff stayed after they got a new Head coach.

jb · January 18, 2008, 03:17:21 PM

I think....and this is only me

If Wiser wants to stay... I believe there's a spot to be "D" coordinator. I also think that several other coaches might be kept. This is all contingent on Coach Clark extending the offer! Coach Clark can not afford to come in with no knowledge of this team other than film. This 2008 team has the talent to make a run at the MAC if certain position players play well.

A question To Little G... If wise would have been hire would you feel different about the search and process to replace your father? And can Wise bury any ill felling about the process and still coach at lyco?

Again thanks for all you and your family has done and sacrifriced over the years!

jb · January 18, 2008, 03:22:55 PM

Would PSU not listen to JoePa about his replacement? Is there anything he could do about it anyway?

Did Lyco listen to G, but saw something more in Coach Davis?

The lyco family has alot of unanswered questions, but the young men who laced them up every saturday are priority!

Lyco80 · January 18, 2008, 05:58:42 PM

jb,

I think there are competing, or at least, overlapping priorities, resident in this discussion.

First, and paramount in importance, are the current players.

Second, the school's image, reputation, etc.

Third, the alumni, which translates into donors and benefactors.

Fourth, age. And I am sure I am out on a limb here and opening myself up to a great deal of criticism. But Mike Clark is probably 37. Coach G was with Lycoming for his entire career spanning four decades. While we will not know until later, Coach Clark has the possibility of such a tenure too.

Fifth, as already posted, Lycoming's offense struggled the last 3-4 years and from his resume Coach Clark reads like an offensive phenom.

All these reasons have nothing to do with process only outcome. Personally I would prefer that Coach G had input and would have been pleased with Steve as the selection.

Another poster decried the influence of money in the outcome - let me point out we live in a capitalist society and money is often the loudest voice in the room. That does not mean it is right, though.

It is amazing to me how many posters this brought out of the woodwork who were silent most of the year. It is refreshing to read that I am not the only Lycoming poster out in the ether.

ATB

The Observation Deck · January 18, 2008, 09:21:00 PM

At 3-7 last year maybe it would be better if the new coach came in without any knowledge of last year's players.

jb · January 19, 2008, 11:32:37 AM

Deck that's alittle harsh...if you followed sport enough you know that a record with numbers never tells the whole story.

I'll be honest I think Lyco playing so many freshman this past year was their downfall(3-7). Wiser was looking for that next golden child that didn't exist on D, and some young men on O just need to develop some poise in gametime situations, G didn't leave the closet empty of talent. Several games COULD have been wins that weren't, that why the games are played.

But Lyco could have easily been 6-4 in a very competitive MAC conference.

remote · January 22, 2008, 08:42:50 AM

Little G:

I am sad that you can not support a former teammate and staff member.
Clark seems to be a great fit for Lyco and you are showing some real immaturity by saying it is a dark day.

Wiser lacked something, face it you dont do a search if he had "it". He doesnt and the intellegent people at Lyco made a decision that will benefit lyco fb for a long time.

I hope you enjoy your retirement, I also hope that Coach Clark does not ever consider you on his staff.

The future is bright....your comments are not!