FB: Middle Atlantic Conference

[maAggie]

Congrats to Kyle Gesswein on being named to the D-3 team last week.

It would be nice to see Wesley go down to another MAC team, but I'm sure they'll be like a wounded animal and be looking for some redemption.

It really stinks having a bye week!!!

[FearTheRam]

41-9?  It was close in the first half, what happened to the Widener "D"? Congrats to Lyco on their win.

[WUDLINE]

Ram-
The first half was extremely competitive. Both teams were showed big play ability on O and extremely physical and fast defense. Wesley scored first on a big play to Beavers and Wu answered with a 64 yard connection to Payton. Second half it looked like a different WU team with numerous turnovers, penalties, and missed tackles. Not taking anything away from Wesley they were clearly the better team on the field today, but the final two touchdowns were scored on the mostly members of pride's second defense.

I was also wondering if the atmosphere at Dover is always so hostile or if this was just because of last weeks loss to Del Val ? In my opinion it was the worst fan base I have ever been around.

[KingSting999]

Wesley home games are always like that especially since they started having a winning program. Don't believe that it's all the fans but a very vocal minority. They pkay with that edge and the fans feed off of it. I have seen my fair share of Wesley games over the past few years and had noticed the same thing. Last week at Del Val they were whooping up at half time taunting the Del Val fans saying things like "you're not even going to score a point!". Boy were they ever quiet on their way out the stadium after the game though!

[WUDLINE]

Sting -
I agree the team does play with an edge and I have know problem with it. I think they are a very skilled group. I just could not believe the taunting and the comments that were being directed at the WU players, coaches, and fans. It was worse than any other school I ever traveled to. At half time they do not provide a adequate locker room facility to the visiting team so the WU players were forced to sit outside. The fans were standing along the area and screaming at the players and coaches as three so called security officers watched. I was also told  the coaches were harassed on their way to the coaches box.

[wesleydad]

wudline, not sure what you are talking about as far as harrassment goes as most of us are just like the rest of you, we go to enjoy the game.  can not speak for nor will i attempt to explain any rude behavior by a few since that can be found anywhere.  wish i would have known you were there, we would have welcomed you to our tailgate group before and after the game.

as far as the game, widener is not very good.  they are extremely limited on offense and need a Qb.  the only play that was successful was a missed tackle on a 5 yard pass that turned into a td, other than that widener showed very little.  i am wondering how they could have been chosen to win the MAC.  Delval is much better on both sides of the ball.

[PA_wesleyfan]

 
The reason Wesley won 41-9 is because Widener got spanked and instead of hitting back they cried on their sidelines until the refs started throwing flags on bogus calls.
Maybe the Widener players shouldn't have been taunting from the first play of the game. and if not for a fumble at the one yard line and a called back T.D.it would have been 55-9. Widener is another local team that turned down Wesley to continue a rivalry.
I too believe that Del Val right now is the better team. They didn't quit when they got down!!!!

[WUDLINE]

Wesley Dad -
I was not attempting to group all of the fans together and if that is the way it reads I am sorry for the generalization. I was sitting in the visiting stands next to numerous Wesley fans that told me they actual choose to sit in the visiting section because of the behavior of certain fans in the home stands.  They must be the same fans that I observed at half time. I will agree with your assessment of Wu's qb issues, however I must argue your statement about the team as a whole. I feel that the Wu defense is very good and simply wore down in the second half against a very good football team do to the time they spent on the field. Wesley was just a superior football team tin the second half. I am not sure if that should be a gauge to judge Widener on for the season. Del Val certainly has a better QB however, I will reserve my judgement on the remainder of the WU team for later in the season.

Pa Wesley -
I am not sure your basis for the comments about WU quitting. They are way off base. As for the fumble it was caused by the safety and linebacker making a big hit on the TE. Furthermore, the other touchdown was called back because of a hands to the face penalty. The majority of the flags thrown were actually on Widener throughout the game, I also did not observe any taunting. As for your concerns about the schedule Widener did not drop Wesley out of a fear. In 2010 the MAC conference is entering into a conference challenge with the PAC and therefore Widener could not do another home and home with Wesley. They  already had scheduled a home and home with Frost. starting this season, were owed a home game by Rowan which has since fallen through and have scheduled Ithica for next year. Please check your factual knowledge in the future before making certain comments it makes you look like that select number of fans I witnessed today in Dover.

[PA_wesleyfan]

WULINE
I have my facts straight and I too was at the game today. I have heard that excuse that Widener owes Rowan a game last year... And everyone is lining up to play Frostburg St. And Yes Widener has an open date listed on THIS web site for week three for next year So get you facts straight !!!
And I forgot to mention the blown TD call in the corner of the endzone that the films clearly showed was well inside the back line!!! 62-9 And fumble was because the player tried to stretch the ball over the goal line!!!

[PA_wesleyfan]

 WUDLINE

  The fans that you spoke of were probably sitting on the visitor side were likely in the end zone stands. The bad mouthing of visiting players by those fans  was once a problem a few years ago and was very quickly taken care of by then Pres. Miller. I would hope that the new Pres. (Johnson) will readdress the issue. There seemed to be a very big crowd of students who had way to much pregame and probably shouldn't have been admitted to the game in the first place.

[wesleydad]

wudline, i did not take your comment to mean all fans .  i am aware of the group that pawesley mentioned and i am sure some of them made it into the game.  i agree with pawesley, they should not allow them in the game if they are clearly over the limit.

i agree that widener had a pretty good defense, but with the offense they have the d will wear down every game unless something changes.  good luck the rest of the season.

[Teamski]

WUDLINE

  The fans that you spoke of were probably sitting on the visitor side were likely in the end zone stands. The bad mouthing of visiting players by those fans  was once a problem a few years ago and was very quickly taken care of by then Pres. Miller. I would hope that the new Pres. (Johnson) will readdress the issue. There seemed to be a very big crowd of students who had way to much pregame and probably shouldn't have been admitted to the game in the first place.

I didn't notice the taunting myself, but I was in the middle of the stands.  I'd really hate to see Wesley get a reputation for poor fansmanship.   I walked past the Widener coaches immediately after the game and didn't notice any foul talk going their way.  One of these times, I will have to check out the atmosphere near the locker rooms at halftime to see for myself.   I know we have our "backliners" which do more hazing of Wesley players than anything else.  IMHO, those guys should be the ones to be talked to to quit.  Also, this game was the first time (in the 3 seasons that I have been going) that I noticed a loud group of students on the north side endzone.  They were the ones that indeed looked like that had too much pre-game. 

That said, there were some pretty questionable flags in the game.  Wesley collected 12 flags, with 8 in the first half alone that really curtailing any sustained drives.  The one called on Beavers for unsportsmanlike conduct was pretty bad.

  If Wesley can get it's disciplinary hat on, it is an excellent team.  I have to agree that Delaware Valley is the toast of the MAC right now.....

-Ski

[maAggie]

Not to trash talk about Wesley as our game with them is over and done with, but I have to say that the reputation is already out there, and it doesn't only revolve around your end-zone student body. You have a contingent that even as visitors, like to taunt the opponents and the opposing fans as well. At half-time of the DelVal/Wesley game you had fans yelling over the fence to our guys that they wouldn't find the end-zone, and would be shut-out, you had players mouthing off and taunting the DelVal team as the headed into the locker room at the half.

As for the penalties, the Wolverines play on the edge, and push the envelope in almost all phases of the game. They are indeed, an undisciplined bunch that let's their emotions run away with them at times. It was amazing that more flags weren't thrown their way in the DelVal game, but it seemed as if the refs knew they were ranked #3 and were overlooking a lot of stuff.

The point is when you've been on top for so long, and had such a successful run it's easy to get full our yourselves and feel invincible, but it also is better to let the play on the field do all the talk.

[PA_wesleyfan]

MaAggie

You have come on here as three different people and trashed Wesley.  You are not fooling anyone using different names!!!!

[WUDLINE]

Teamski - I agree with your assessment of the Wesley team. If they can become a little more disciplined they will certainly be a tough team to beat. There team speed and physical play is certainly tough to match when they are firing on all cylinders like they were in the second half.

Pa wesley -
I was speaking mostly about the fans that were located in both end zones. That was the group that followed the team to the locker room at the half. By no means do I believe that they are a reflection on the program as a whole. As for the facts regarding the Rowan game. Widener is owed a home game with Rowan that was supposed to take place in 2008 but the schedules did not match up. That is why WU was forced to pick up Frost. this season for the home and home. This meant that next seasons out of conference schedule was supposed to be Ithica, Rowan and Frost. However, I am told that the Rowan game has again fallen through. That is why Wu is now searching for a third game. I am not able to the watch the game film so I will have to take your word on the touchdown in the rear of the end zone. However, the fumble took place directly in front of where I was standing and I am pretty sure it was caused by a good hit. I agree with your view on the officiating but I think it was equally bad on both sides. The Beavers call was not very good, but I also felt that the roughing the passer call on WU which led to Wesley's second score was horrible. I think the officials allowed the coaches from both sides to influence the way they called the game.

I would expect to see some changes this week at WU.