FB: Conference of New England

[Bomber Backer]

SullyMustGo, clearly there are many problems at Framingham State. It sounds like Coach Sullivan is having trouble with athletes buying into the system. They did win a game this season, and then got crushed by a good Endicott team. It will be interesting to see how they do the rest of the year. In addition, Endicott should surprise some people this year.

[SullyMustGo]

Yea they beat an MIT team that couldn't beat the Massachusetts school of the blind, which can beat Mass Maritime so maybe Fram can go 2-7. Sully's best year yet.  I'm just hoping they can him before next years season. Bring back some dignity to this program.

[jeff]

having played at FSC, I can honestly say I had the worst experience there of my life...I was a mature, talented player that went DOWNHILL in my PRIME...D3 footbal, after putting so much work into it, should have been fun and rewarding...Matter of fact, I could have played another year, but why on earth would anyone go through that bs at that school?

We were always "in" games before this new coach came around...We were actually beating a D2 team at the half, which was a big deal for the program...We had EASILY the worst field in North America, changed in the PARKING LOT and didn't have a weight room...Yet this new coach comes in with a new facility, weight room and turf field and gets WORSE?  How can you get worse than 3-7 with all this new stuff?  He's found a way...

After dedicating myself in the weight room, I went to camp and noticed that this coach has no clue whatsoever...

My specialty coach didn't even have a clue and was attempting to teach me new things, yet never played my position...


I rant...As you can tell, I am fed up with my alma mater in a BIG WAY...

[SullyMustGo]

Jeff tell me about it, the coaching staff is horrible.  So many talented upper classman that were already in the program before he got there were kicked off the team or pratically were forced to quit for such small stupid incidents it was like he wanted nothing to do with players of the former program. His first year as the coach we had a very talented WR, best on the team by far to compliment Luke Callahan.  The moron that the coach is, tells him he's going to play DB from now on and not WR. The player told coach he would play both ways because he still wanted to play WR.  Coach says no way and the player quits.  Sully runs his talent out of town. It's almost like the athletic dept. hired him so the program would fail and they would beable to cut the football program. 

[gametimeplayer]

Well i love this site and have been reading up on what you all have to say.  Seems like you people know more then some of the reporters that write up these articles in the paper every weekend. 
Now let me say what i came here to say.  SALVE has had a very tough two years and you guys have mentioned the fact that we have become a tough school to get into but that is no excuse for lossing.  But this year we feel good about the team that we can play with anyone.  I was waiting for this time to come and i had a feeling it was going to take a couple years when i was a freshmen considering we had players that didnt appriaciate the game. 
Now WSC made mistakes but doesn't there have to be a player that finds himself in the right place reading the eyes of the quarterback or jumping on a pattern.  What about the backs who turn the corner and gain those extra yards to keep the drive going. Oh and the wideouts that when the ball came to them won the battle over the DBs.  So what im getting at is, you say they were mistakes while i say that we needed some time to realize that were no push over this year.
PS- our offense is alittle out dated but we'll deal with it.

[GoPats123]

Can we please get serious here. Framingham was always awful and to say that  in the past they were in 5-7 games a year is nothing to brag about. The program has always been lousy and no matter who you get to coach there it will always be a joke. So can we all forget are past heisman dreams and get on with your lives

[SullyMustGo]

To say Framingham or any poor team in the NEFC will always be bad is rediculous.  Look at Maine for example, for the past 4 seasons they have only won 1 or 2 games a year, and this year they are looking very good.  Fitchburgh was always a below .500 team until last year also. So GoPats are you saying that a program that got even worse over the past 3 seasons should just keep their pathetic coach becasue the future does't look good no matter what? I don't mind Famingham losing if they are out played by superior talent and if the head coach did all he can do.  With Sully that's not the case.  Like the old quoe states, "A good coach makes average players good and good players great." Well Sully is making good players average and average player pathletic.

[Jonny on the Spot]

Hola Guys, first post of the year, I've been busy. But I wanted to throw in my two cents. First off, I went to and played for Nichols College (who stink right now) and their academic programs for Business were top notch. They posted 95% of my graduating class w/ jobs paying an average of 42K after graduation. The school is easy to get in to because they want to try to grow beyond the 800 or so students they see. They have spent some coin down there in Bison land and built a new field and a new gym, rivaling anything in the NEFC (I have not seen the new field, but that's what they say).

Additionally the NEFC all comes down to recruiting, even more than the coaches ability. If the coach can sell the school he can get more talented players and then succeed. Gametimeplayer mentioned Salve, and to go back in time to when they were good they had a coach by the name of Tim Cohen who really got the job done with recruiting and was an excellent coach. He moved to High School in RI and won two or three D1 State titles and has made the playoffs every year. Salve had a great coach for a while and made some headway.

Were in the NEFC folks, good athletes are not just going to show up on your doorstep and play. A lot of good New England athletes go to D2, D1AA and D1 schools either join the team and never touch the field or give up football entirely because a lot of students think that D3 football is crap, and it isn't. To attract better players coaches need to do a better job of selling the schools as a great alternative to going to URI or UCONN having some fun and playing four years of competitive football. Once they do that they will bolster support for the league and change the perception of the NEFC until that happens we will always be a weak conference.

Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to cath up

[GoPats123]

Sully  if you have seen any FSC games over the past year you would see a bunch of kids running around who have no business playing football never mind college football. A lot of their players would not start for a good high school team. By no means am I defending Sully but when you have 200 pound O tackle you have to realize it's the players not the coach. And what kid with any sort of talented is going to go there and Line up next to a kid who isn't good engough to start for a pop warner team. It is really sad when a school had a 4-6 year and it is refered to as the glory days.

[jeff]

lets put in frankly Pats fan....

do you see a difference between losing 20-19 and 75-0?  Or is that all the same?

My first year, we lost one game vs. Mass Maritime, who finished 8-2, by a 47-yard field goal...We lost vs. Worcester State because of a missed extra point in overtime...You dont see the difference of losing 5 games under 7-points in a team? 

Losing is losing, dont get me wrong, but we were always a hump team that simply needed to catch a few breaks to be a .500+ team...

And there was enough talent while I was there to be a decent squad...Matter of fact, there were NUMEROUS players getting New England honors, d2/D3 All-Star, all-conference players...

and yes, I will take 3-7 losing a few tight games over 0-9, without a shot in hell of winning a game...

and again, having a BRAND new facility/weight room and the BEST field in the NEFC is enough to sell potential athletes to come to a school...

so if a team/coach go 3-7 without anything like gym/weightroom/field, why did Framingham and the state of Mass spend MILLIONS of dollars on these buildings and field if ONLY athletes use them?  Isn't the point of renewing a facility to entice new/better athletes to a school?

[GoPats123]

I agree that losing by  a few points due to some tough breaks is better than getting smoked week in and week out. But losing is losing and just becuase you stayed close with a good team doesn't mean you had a good team. And all this about a new field and weight room means nothing.  The field is throw in the middle of nowhere the only thing that is going to change that program is if they start to win, they should think about droping to Jv status and trying to recruit something that resembles a football player instead of throwing these poor kids to the wolves every week.

[SullyMustGo]

GoPats, losing by a few points to good teams is inches away from being a good team youself. IN 2000 Framingham was 4-6. If a few of those games sway the other way they go atleast 5-5 if not 6-4. Have you played under Sully? It's a nightmare.  The blind leading the blind.  Can you actually tell me Sully hasn't destroyed that program?

[GoPats123]

I have never played for Sully I know he is an awful coach but I really don't think anything would be that different if there was a new coach

[SullyMustGo]

I don't understand how you can say a different coach wouldn't matter. Havn't you see the NEFC the past 5 years? It's been full of teams that were horrible at one point and their program has been turned around by a new coach. 

[jeff]

again, to keep it simple...How can a program get WORSE when they get a new facility, a new weight room and a new field?  Why spend the millions if its not attracting athletes?

Coach A goes 4-6, coach B goes 0-9, clearly one coach was able to do "something" with nothing, while the other coach has done "nothing" with something...

It can't be to crazy of a thought to think that a program could go up....