FB: Conference of New England

[lewdogg11]

Took many months, but we agree.  Thier can be only one!  The NEFC winner gets the NCAA bid.  Although I can't see higher then a six seed.  Also, no way does Endicott or WNEC host a game, each field holds no more then 2K.

If Endicott wins out, I could see them getting a 4 seed and their stadium appears to fit NCAA criteria so i'm pretty sure that wouldn't be an issue.  If the Administration didn't build a new stadium to spec they are morons, but seating 2000 is normal.  I'm actually pulling for this to happen since I live 15 minutes away and would love to see it.  I could envision an Endicott vs. the NJAC winner.  Here's how I see the East Region bracket playing out:

1.  Mount Union
2.  Delaware Valley
3.  Hobart
4.  Endicott
5.  NJAC Champ
6.  ...
7.  ECFC Champ
8.  ...

With the NJAC going at each other in the last few weeks, they could play themselves out of the mix and only send a league champ.  Same with the MAC.  If Lyco or Widener knock off Del Valley, Endicott could be seeded as high as 3.  And if that happens, I think the MAC sends 2 teams.  IF DVC wins out, Widener and Lyco then have 2 losses which is a problem.

I'm anticipating Fisher losing to Salisbury which would put them in the 2 loss category.  If Fisher knocks off Salisbury, they would likely get the 5/6 seed with the NJAC champ. 

There's a lot of football to be played and a lot of good teams will have 2 losses.  But based on recent history, i could see Endicott getting a 3 or 4 seed if they win out.

Endicott holds 2200
WNEC holds 1500

I've never seen WNEC but Endicott has a nice place and I believe as long as it is set up so they can sell tickets, they would be fine.

[AUKaz00]

Endicott holds 2200
WNEC holds 1500

I've never seen WNEC but Endicott has a nice place and I believe as long as it is set up so they can sell tickets, they would be fine.

And they file the proper paperwork!  Alfred got the benefit of that snafu last year.  The capacity figures shouldn't be an issue.  Both of Cortland's home games last year drew fewer than 1,000 spectators, so that games aren't played because of the crowds they bring in.

[softballrz]

The biggest game in the NEFC this year to date and it appears weather will play a part.  Rain, wind, and snow by games end.  Good luck to both WNEC and Endicott. Winner gets to host Framingham St. for the NEFC championship.

[fulbakdad]

Salve takes care of Plymouth today. 

Looks like Endicott is having trouble on a snowy field....

[InTheMix]

Congrats to WNEC, big win over Endicott this past weekend. Looks like they've been doing big things in Springfield. Good luck to them the rest of the way, and hopefully in NCAA action.

With the loss Endicott obviously drops out of the NEFC lead and has a small (if any) chance at a bid to NCAAs. However, do they still have a shot at an ECAC bid, or did they schedule too many games?

[AUKaz00]

With the loss Endicott obviously drops out of the NEFC lead and has a small (if any) chance at a bid to NCAAs. However, do they still have a shot at an ECAC bid, or did they schedule too many games?

As long as they put in for a bid, the Gulls will host an ECAC bowl.  Without the NEFC cross-over game, they'll only have played 10 games and have that 11th postseason game available (had they lost the championship they would be done barring a Pool C bid).

[lewdogg11]

With the loss Endicott obviously drops out of the NEFC lead and has a small (if any) chance at a bid to NCAAs. However, do they still have a shot at an ECAC bid, or did they schedule too many games?

As long as they put in for a bid, the Gulls will host an ECAC bowl.  Without the NEFC cross-over game, they'll only have played 10 games and have that 11th postseason game available (had they lost the championship they would be done barring a Pool C bid).

Solely based on record, I don't think they are completely out of contention for a Pool C.  Do I think they should get it?  No, but I wouldn't be totally surprised.

[Charles]

With the loss Endicott obviously drops out of the NEFC lead and has a small (if any) chance at a bid to NCAAs. However, do they still have a shot at an ECAC bid, or did they schedule too many games?

As long as they put in for a bid, the Gulls will host an ECAC bowl.  Without the NEFC cross-over game, they'll only have played 10 games and have that 11th postseason game available (had they lost the championship they would be done barring a Pool C bid).

Solely based on record, I don't think they are completely out of contention for a Pool C.  Do I think they should get it?  No, but I wouldn't be totally surprised.

Endicott could finish the season 9-1. Nationally they have the #6 defense and the #13 offense. They lost a close game in a blinding snow storm late to another 1 loss team on the road. Missed the first down with a measurement deep in WNEC territory. It was a very tough loss. They could have the top defensive player in the country as well as the top kicker. One could argue that they are the best team in New England. It is certainly possible that they get an at large bid.

[Yanks 99]

With the loss Endicott obviously drops out of the NEFC lead and has a small (if any) chance at a bid to NCAAs. However, do they still have a shot at an ECAC bid, or did they schedule too many games?

As long as they put in for a bid, the Gulls will host an ECAC bowl.  Without the NEFC cross-over game, they'll only have played 10 games and have that 11th postseason game available (had they lost the championship they would be done barring a Pool C bid).

Solely based on record, I don't think they are completely out of contention for a Pool C.  Do I think they should get it?  No, but I wouldn't be totally surprised.

Endicott could finish the season 9-1. Nationally they have the #6 defense and the #13 offense. They lost a close game in a blinding snow storm late to another 1 loss team on the road. Missed the first down with a measurement deep in WNEC territory. It was a very tough loss. They could have the top defensive player in the country as well as the top kicker. One could argue that they are the best team in New England. It is certainly possible that they get an at large bid.

I am sure you will think I am crushing Endicott simply because I am not a fan of the NEFC...but here is the reality:

1) Endicott could finish 9-1...but the reality is that they had one "tough" game to win in the NEFC, with all of their non-league games against ECFC opponents...and they didn't get it done.

2) No one will care that you have the #13 offense in the country coming from the NEFC.  They will now care less about your #6 ranked defense considering you just gave up 40 points...again...to the one "tough" team on their schedule.

3) WNEC played in the same snow storm and beat Endicott.

4) From Endicott's end, you just missed a measurement deep in WNEC's territory.  From WNEC's standpoint, they found a way to stop you.

5) No one will care that you have the top kicker in the country.

6) You might have one of the better defensive players in the country (assuming you are talking about the DE, Eagen).  That is arguable at best...he might be...but it wasn't like he was dominate enough to even garner 1st Team All-Region last year.

7) Not sure how you can argue that they are the best team in New England...as they just lost to a team who now has the same record as Endicott last week...who also happens to be from New England.


Is it "possible" that Endicott will get a Pool C bid?  I guess...but I wouldn't go as far as to say "certainly possible".  Stanger things have happened...and the committee did have that major brain cramp in 2008 and let two NEFC teams in.  I mean...who is Endicott's signature win against?  Honestly...what tough team did they beat this year?

[Charles]

With the loss Endicott obviously drops out of the NEFC lead and has a small (if any) chance at a bid to NCAAs. However, do they still have a shot at an ECAC bid, or did they schedule too many games?

As long as they put in for a bid, the Gulls will host an ECAC bowl.  Without the NEFC cross-over game, they'll only have played 10 games and have that 11th postseason game available (had they lost the championship they would be done barring a Pool C bid).

Solely based on record, I don't think they are completely out of contention for a Pool C.  Do I think they should get it?  No, but I wouldn't be totally surprised.

Endicott could finish the season 9-1. Nationally they have the #6 defense and the #13 offense. They lost a close game in a blinding snow storm late to another 1 loss team on the road. Missed the first down with a measurement deep in WNEC territory. It was a very tough loss. They could have the top defensive player in the country as well as the top kicker. One could argue that they are the best team in New England. It is certainly possible that they get an at large bid.

I am sure you will think I am crushing Endicott simply because I am not a fan of the NEFC...but here is the reality:

1) Endicott could finish 9-1...but the reality is that they had one "tough" game to win in the NEFC, with all of their non-league games against ECFC opponents...and they didn't get it done.

2) No one will care that you have the #13 offense in the country coming from the NEFC.  They will now care less about your #6 ranked defense considering you just gave up 40 points...again...to the one "tough" team on their schedule.

3) WNEC played in the same snow storm and beat Endicott.

4) From Endicott's end, you just missed a measurement deep in WNEC's territory.  From WNEC's standpoint, they found a way to stop you.

5) No one will care that you have the top kicker in the country.

6) You might have one of the better defensive players in the country (assuming you are talking about the DE, Eagen).  That is arguable at best...he might be...but it wasn't like he was dominate enough to even garner 1st Team All-Region last year.

7) Not sure how you can argue that they are the best team in New England...as they just lost to a team who now has the same record as Endicott last week...who also happens to be from New England.


Is it "possible" that Endicott will get a Pool C bid?  I guess...but I wouldn't go as far as to say "certainly possible".  Stanger things have happened...and the committee did have that major brain cramp in 2008 and let two NEFC teams in.  I mean...who is Endicott's signature win against?  Honestly...what tough team did they beat this year?

Not sure what ECFC teams you are refering to, but I think Hartwick was the team that was beaten by Mt. Ida and Norwich, I was writing about Endicott. The NEFC continues to get tougher. Curry, WNEC, Framingham and UMASS Dartmouth are good teams that don't quit. I understand that the E8 on paper could be tougher but Endicott would surely show up to play and not go 0-5 in conference. Givining up 202 points in 5 games? Looks like a team that quit a few weeks ago.
It is unfortunate that their game on Saturday was in that storm because from what I saw they would have scored 50 easy on a dry field, but that can happen.

[Yanks 99]

With the loss Endicott obviously drops out of the NEFC lead and has a small (if any) chance at a bid to NCAAs. However, do they still have a shot at an ECAC bid, or did they schedule too many games?

As long as they put in for a bid, the Gulls will host an ECAC bowl.  Without the NEFC cross-over game, they'll only have played 10 games and have that 11th postseason game available (had they lost the championship they would be done barring a Pool C bid).

Solely based on record, I don't think they are completely out of contention for a Pool C.  Do I think they should get it?  No, but I wouldn't be totally surprised.

Endicott could finish the season 9-1. Nationally they have the #6 defense and the #13 offense. They lost a close game in a blinding snow storm late to another 1 loss team on the road. Missed the first down with a measurement deep in WNEC territory. It was a very tough loss. They could have the top defensive player in the country as well as the top kicker. One could argue that they are the best team in New England. It is certainly possible that they get an at large bid.

I am sure you will think I am crushing Endicott simply because I am not a fan of the NEFC...but here is the reality:

1) Endicott could finish 9-1...but the reality is that they had one "tough" game to win in the NEFC, with all of their non-league games against ECFC opponents...and they didn't get it done.

2) No one will care that you have the #13 offense in the country coming from the NEFC.  They will now care less about your #6 ranked defense considering you just gave up 40 points...again...to the one "tough" team on their schedule.

3) WNEC played in the same snow storm and beat Endicott.

4) From Endicott's end, you just missed a measurement deep in WNEC's territory.  From WNEC's standpoint, they found a way to stop you.

5) No one will care that you have the top kicker in the country.

6) You might have one of the better defensive players in the country (assuming you are talking about the DE, Eagen).  That is arguable at best...he might be...but it wasn't like he was dominate enough to even garner 1st Team All-Region last year.

7) Not sure how you can argue that they are the best team in New England...as they just lost to a team who now has the same record as Endicott last week...who also happens to be from New England.


Is it "possible" that Endicott will get a Pool C bid?  I guess...but I wouldn't go as far as to say "certainly possible".  Stanger things have happened...and the committee did have that major brain cramp in 2008 and let two NEFC teams in.  I mean...who is Endicott's signature win against?  Honestly...what tough team did they beat this year?

Not sure what ECFC teams you are refering to, but I think Hartwick was the team that was beaten by Mt. Ida and Norwich, I was writing about Endicott. The NEFC continues to get tougher. Curry, WNEC, Framingham and UMASS Dartmouth are good teams that don't quit. I understand that the E8 on paper could be tougher but Endicott would surely show up to play and not go 0-5 in conference. Givining up 202 points in 5 games? Looks like a team that quit a few weeks ago.
It is unfortunate that their game on Saturday was in that storm because from what I saw they would have scored 50 easy on a dry field, but that can happen.

Not sure why Hartwick even popped up into the conversation, as they are nowhere near the playoffs.  So your argument here is that because the Empire 8's last place team lost to Mt. Ida from the ECFC...that the NEFC really is a "good league"?  Weak...

Also...Hartwick rolled Norwich 37-14 in a game that wasn't close.  The same Norwich team that WNEC needed to score a late TD against with under 2 minutes to go in the game to secure a four point win.  Pretty good chance that WNEC is going to be your league champion.  Again...weak...

The NEFC continues to get tougher?  How?  By playing against each other only and sometimes the ECFC...or because you say so?

Thinking that the E8 is tougher then the NEFC on paper only is delusional, and apparently you haven't read any of the facts that others keep giving you.   Wake me up when Endicott beats a team...any team...that doesn't belong to the NEFC or the ECFC.

In all honesty...who would Endicott beat from the E8 this year?  Hartwick...maybe.  After that...a slight chance to make a game against Frostburg, Ithaca, and Utica.  No chance against Salisbury, Fisher, Alfred, or Springfield...

[Charles]

With the loss Endicott obviously drops out of the NEFC lead and has a small (if any) chance at a bid to NCAAs. However, do they still have a shot at an ECAC bid, or did they schedule too many games?

As long as they put in for a bid, the Gulls will host an ECAC bowl.  Without the NEFC cross-over game, they'll only have played 10 games and have that 11th postseason game available (had they lost the championship they would be done barring a Pool C bid).

Solely based on record, I don't think they are completely out of contention for a Pool C.  Do I think they should get it?  No, but I wouldn't be totally surprised.

Endicott could finish the season 9-1. Nationally they have the #6 defense and the #13 offense. They lost a close game in a blinding snow storm late to another 1 loss team on the road. Missed the first down with a measurement deep in WNEC territory. It was a very tough loss. They could have the top defensive player in the country as well as the top kicker. One could argue that they are the best team in New England. It is certainly possible that they get an at large bid.

I am sure you will think I am crushing Endicott simply because I am not a fan of the NEFC...but here is the reality:

1) Endicott could finish 9-1...but the reality is that they had one "tough" game to win in the NEFC, with all of their non-league games against ECFC opponents...and they didn't get it done.

2) No one will care that you have the #13 offense in the country coming from the NEFC.  They will now care less about your #6 ranked defense considering you just gave up 40 points...again...to the one "tough" team on their schedule.

3) WNEC played in the same snow storm and beat Endicott.

4) From Endicott's end, you just missed a measurement deep in WNEC's territory.  From WNEC's standpoint, they found a way to stop you.

5) No one will care that you have the top kicker in the country.

6) You might have one of the better defensive players in the country (assuming you are talking about the DE, Eagen).  That is arguable at best...he might be...but it wasn't like he was dominate enough to even garner 1st Team All-Region last year.

7) Not sure how you can argue that they are the best team in New England...as they just lost to a team who now has the same record as Endicott last week...who also happens to be from New England.


Is it "possible" that Endicott will get a Pool C bid?  I guess...but I wouldn't go as far as to say "certainly possible".  Stanger things have happened...and the committee did have that major brain cramp in 2008 and let two NEFC teams in.  I mean...who is Endicott's signature win against?  Honestly...what tough team did they beat this year?

Not sure what ECFC teams you are refering to, but I think Hartwick was the team that was beaten by Mt. Ida and Norwich, I was writing about Endicott. The NEFC continues to get tougher. Curry, WNEC, Framingham and UMASS Dartmouth are good teams that don't quit. I understand that the E8 on paper could be tougher but Endicott would surely show up to play and not go 0-5 in conference. Givining up 202 points in 5 games? Looks like a team that quit a few weeks ago.
It is unfortunate that their game on Saturday was in that storm because from what I saw they would have scored 50 easy on a dry field, but that can happen.

Not sure why Hartwick even popped up into the conversation, as they are nowhere near the playoffs.  So your argument here is that because the Empire 8's last place team lost to Mt. Ida from the ECFC...that the NEFC really is a "good league"?  Weak...

Also...Hartwick rolled Norwich 37-14 in a game that wasn't close.  The same Norwich team that WNEC needed to score a late TD against with under 2 minutes to go in the game to secure a four point win.  Pretty good chance that WNEC is going to be your league champion.  Again...weak...

The NEFC continues to get tougher?  How?  By playing against each other only and sometimes the ECFC...or because you say so?

Thinking that the E8 is tougher then the NEFC on paper only is delusional, and apparently you haven't read any of the facts that others keep giving you.   Wake me up when Endicott beats a team...any team...that doesn't belong to the NEFC or the ECFC.

In all honesty...who would Endicott beat from the E8 this year?  Hartwick...maybe.  After that...a slight chance to make a game against Frostburg, Ithaca, and Utica.  No chance against Salisbury, Fisher, Alfred, or Springfield...

Massey ratings have both Endicott and WNEC ranked higher than 6 of the 8 E8 teams currently. For that matter I did not say the NEFC was tougher than the E8, I just said that the NEFC teams play tough and don't quit. I have seen Springfield and Alfred and I think Endicott, Curry, WNEC and even Umass Dartmouth could beat them.

[Pat Coleman]

Since the NEFC almost entirely plays solely against itself, a computer ranking such as Massey is basically useless.

It's DEFINITELY useless when considering NESCAC against the nation, but it's not much better against a virtually closed (some would say inbred) conference such as the NEFC.

[Yanks 99]

With the loss Endicott obviously drops out of the NEFC lead and has a small (if any) chance at a bid to NCAAs. However, do they still have a shot at an ECAC bid, or did they schedule too many games?

As long as they put in for a bid, the Gulls will host an ECAC bowl.  Without the NEFC cross-over game, they'll only have played 10 games and have that 11th postseason game available (had they lost the championship they would be done barring a Pool C bid).

Solely based on record, I don't think they are completely out of contention for a Pool C.  Do I think they should get it?  No, but I wouldn't be totally surprised.

Endicott could finish the season 9-1. Nationally they have the #6 defense and the #13 offense. They lost a close game in a blinding snow storm late to another 1 loss team on the road. Missed the first down with a measurement deep in WNEC territory. It was a very tough loss. They could have the top defensive player in the country as well as the top kicker. One could argue that they are the best team in New England. It is certainly possible that they get an at large bid.

I am sure you will think I am crushing Endicott simply because I am not a fan of the NEFC...but here is the reality:

1) Endicott could finish 9-1...but the reality is that they had one "tough" game to win in the NEFC, with all of their non-league games against ECFC opponents...and they didn't get it done.

2) No one will care that you have the #13 offense in the country coming from the NEFC.  They will now care less about your #6 ranked defense considering you just gave up 40 points...again...to the one "tough" team on their schedule.

3) WNEC played in the same snow storm and beat Endicott.

4) From Endicott's end, you just missed a measurement deep in WNEC's territory.  From WNEC's standpoint, they found a way to stop you.

5) No one will care that you have the top kicker in the country.

6) You might have one of the better defensive players in the country (assuming you are talking about the DE, Eagen).  That is arguable at best...he might be...but it wasn't like he was dominate enough to even garner 1st Team All-Region last year.

7) Not sure how you can argue that they are the best team in New England...as they just lost to a team who now has the same record as Endicott last week...who also happens to be from New England.


Is it "possible" that Endicott will get a Pool C bid?  I guess...but I wouldn't go as far as to say "certainly possible".  Stanger things have happened...and the committee did have that major brain cramp in 2008 and let two NEFC teams in.  I mean...who is Endicott's signature win against?  Honestly...what tough team did they beat this year?

Not sure what ECFC teams you are refering to, but I think Hartwick was the team that was beaten by Mt. Ida and Norwich, I was writing about Endicott. The NEFC continues to get tougher. Curry, WNEC, Framingham and UMASS Dartmouth are good teams that don't quit. I understand that the E8 on paper could be tougher but Endicott would surely show up to play and not go 0-5 in conference. Givining up 202 points in 5 games? Looks like a team that quit a few weeks ago.
It is unfortunate that their game on Saturday was in that storm because from what I saw they would have scored 50 easy on a dry field, but that can happen.

Not sure why Hartwick even popped up into the conversation, as they are nowhere near the playoffs.  So your argument here is that because the Empire 8's last place team lost to Mt. Ida from the ECFC...that the NEFC really is a "good league"?  Weak...

Also...Hartwick rolled Norwich 37-14 in a game that wasn't close.  The same Norwich team that WNEC needed to score a late TD against with under 2 minutes to go in the game to secure a four point win.  Pretty good chance that WNEC is going to be your league champion.  Again...weak...

The NEFC continues to get tougher?  How?  By playing against each other only and sometimes the ECFC...or because you say so?

Thinking that the E8 is tougher then the NEFC on paper only is delusional, and apparently you haven't read any of the facts that others keep giving you.   Wake me up when Endicott beats a team...any team...that doesn't belong to the NEFC or the ECFC.

In all honesty...who would Endicott beat from the E8 this year?  Hartwick...maybe.  After that...a slight chance to make a game against Frostburg, Ithaca, and Utica.  No chance against Salisbury, Fisher, Alfred, or Springfield...

Massey ratings have both Endicott and WNEC ranked higher than 6 of the 8 E8 teams currently. For that matter I did not say the NEFC was tougher than the E8, I just said that the NEFC teams play tough and don't quit. I have seen Springfield and Alfred and I think Endicott, Curry, WNEC and even Umass Dartmouth could beat them.

The Massey ratings are totally useless...great...you score better according to the Massey ratings then 6 of the 8 Empire 8 teams, by only playing against NEFC teams and ECFC teams.  Terrible arguement.

What team are you talking about that quit?  Hartwick?  Doubtful...overmatched...maybe.  I didn't see a team quit in four straight games when the outcome came down to the last possession/play (as it did against Mount Ida, Ithaca, Alfred, and Utica).  Against Salisbury they were overmatched (as almost everyone else is) and against Springfield they were down 21-20 at half and down 42-27 at the beginning of the 4th quarter.  Not sure how that is quitting?  What other team in the Empire 8 has quit?  Or maybe everyone quits except for NEFC teams...you know...because they are so awesome...

[Charles]

With the loss Endicott obviously drops out of the NEFC lead and has a small (if any) chance at a bid to NCAAs. However, do they still have a shot at an ECAC bid, or did they schedule too many games?

As long as they put in for a bid, the Gulls will host an ECAC bowl.  Without the NEFC cross-over game, they'll only have played 10 games and have that 11th postseason game available (had they lost the championship they would be done barring a Pool C bid).

Solely based on record, I don't think they are completely out of contention for a Pool C.  Do I think they should get it?  No, but I wouldn't be totally surprised.

Endicott could finish the season 9-1. Nationally they have the #6 defense and the #13 offense. They lost a close game in a blinding snow storm late to another 1 loss team on the road. Missed the first down with a measurement deep in WNEC territory. It was a very tough loss. They could have the top defensive player in the country as well as the top kicker. One could argue that they are the best team in New England. It is certainly possible that they get an at large bid.

I am sure you will think I am crushing Endicott simply because I am not a fan of the NEFC...but here is the reality:

1) Endicott could finish 9-1...but the reality is that they had one "tough" game to win in the NEFC, with all of their non-league games against ECFC opponents...and they didn't get it done.

2) No one will care that you have the #13 offense in the country coming from the NEFC.  They will now care less about your #6 ranked defense considering you just gave up 40 points...again...to the one "tough" team on their schedule.

3) WNEC played in the same snow storm and beat Endicott.

4) From Endicott's end, you just missed a measurement deep in WNEC's territory.  From WNEC's standpoint, they found a way to stop you.

5) No one will care that you have the top kicker in the country.

6) You might have one of the better defensive players in the country (assuming you are talking about the DE, Eagen).  That is arguable at best...he might be...but it wasn't like he was dominate enough to even garner 1st Team All-Region last year.

7) Not sure how you can argue that they are the best team in New England...as they just lost to a team who now has the same record as Endicott last week...who also happens to be from New England.


Is it "possible" that Endicott will get a Pool C bid?  I guess...but I wouldn't go as far as to say "certainly possible".  Stanger things have happened...and the committee did have that major brain cramp in 2008 and let two NEFC teams in.  I mean...who is Endicott's signature win against?  Honestly...what tough team did they beat this year?

Not sure what ECFC teams you are refering to, but I think Hartwick was the team that was beaten by Mt. Ida and Norwich, I was writing about Endicott. The NEFC continues to get tougher. Curry, WNEC, Framingham and UMASS Dartmouth are good teams that don't quit. I understand that the E8 on paper could be tougher but Endicott would surely show up to play and not go 0-5 in conference. Givining up 202 points in 5 games? Looks like a team that quit a few weeks ago.
It is unfortunate that their game on Saturday was in that storm because from what I saw they would have scored 50 easy on a dry field, but that can happen.

Not sure why Hartwick even popped up into the conversation, as they are nowhere near the playoffs.  So your argument here is that because the Empire 8's last place team lost to Mt. Ida from the ECFC...that the NEFC really is a "good league"?  Weak...

Also...Hartwick rolled Norwich 37-14 in a game that wasn't close.  The same Norwich team that WNEC needed to score a late TD against with under 2 minutes to go in the game to secure a four point win.  Pretty good chance that WNEC is going to be your league champion.  Again...weak...

The NEFC continues to get tougher?  How?  By playing against each other only and sometimes the ECFC...or because you say so?

Thinking that the E8 is tougher then the NEFC on paper only is delusional, and apparently you haven't read any of the facts that others keep giving you.   Wake me up when Endicott beats a team...any team...that doesn't belong to the NEFC or the ECFC.

In all honesty...who would Endicott beat from the E8 this year?  Hartwick...maybe.  After that...a slight chance to make a game against Frostburg, Ithaca, and Utica.  No chance against Salisbury, Fisher, Alfred, or Springfield...

Massey ratings have both Endicott and WNEC ranked higher than 6 of the 8 E8 teams currently. For that matter I did not say the NEFC was tougher than the E8, I just said that the NEFC teams play tough and don't quit. I have seen Springfield and Alfred and I think Endicott, Curry, WNEC and even Umass Dartmouth could beat them.

The Massey rartings are totally useless...great...you score better according to the Massey ratings then 6 of the 8 Empire 8 teams, by only playing against NEFC teams and ECFC teams.  Terrible arguement.

What team are you talking about that quit?  Hartwick?  Doubtful...overmatched...maybe.  I didn't see a team quit in four straight games when the the outcome came down to the last possession/play (as it did against Mount Ida, Ithaca, Alfred, and Utica).  What other team in the Empire 8 has quit?  Or maybe everyone quits except for NEFC teams...you know...because they are so awesome...

Funny I see several E8 teams have played ECFC teams, but I guess that doesn't count, right? I also see in D3 football.com that only 3 E8 teams had stronger SOS than Endicott and none stronger than Salve Regina also from the NEFC which Endicott beat. and no E8 team has a stronger oo winning percentage than Endicott. So you are wrong, again.