FB: Conference of New England

[ECoastFootball]

Salve and Westfield were able to do this in spurts to keep them in the games, eventually both of them broke though which allowed WNE to do what they wanted in 4th quarter drives to take the lead that they needed.

In spurts? They only had 340 yards against Westfield and 3 3-and-outs. That game could have gone either way as easily as the Springfield game. They could be 3-2 as easily as they are 5-0. That being said, it is the mark of a good team to win those close games. I think this is a good WNEC team that will probably win the NEFC, but not some offensive juggernaut that can't be stopped. I was more afraid of the Bryce Brown quarterbacked teams a few years ago.

[jackson5]

Salve and Westfield were able to do this in spurts to keep them in the games, eventually both of them broke though which allowed WNE to do what they wanted in 4th quarter drives to take the lead that they needed.

In spurts? They only had 340 yards against Westfield and 3 3-and-outs. That game could have gone either way as easily as the Springfield game. They could be 3-2 as easily as they are 5-0. That being said, it is the mark of a good team to win those close games. I think this is a good WNEC team that will probably win the NEFC, but not some offensive juggernaut that can't be stopped. I was more afraid of the Bryce Brown quarterbacked teams a few years ago.

If Westfield was able to control them the full 60 minutes they wouldn't have gotten over 300 yards and  WNE wouldn't have walked right down the field the final 2 drives. They did a good job most of the game but wasn't able to close it out at the end.

For the Bryce Brown offense, Brown was the greatest QB in school history other than Walz. So its fair to say that this offense isn't as good as them. That said Ward is still a very good QB and he has Walz and Cook as seniors while Brown only had them as freshmen. Not to mention Ellis as a #2 is a pretty good weapon to have.

[ECoastFootball]

If Westfield was able to control them the full 60 minutes they wouldn't have gotten over 300 yards and  WNE wouldn't have walked right down the field the final 2 drives. They did a good job most of the game but wasn't able to close it out at the end.

For the Bryce Brown offense, Brown was the greatest QB in school history other than Walz. So its fair to say that this offense isn't as good as them. That said Ward is still a very good QB and he has Walz and Cook as seniors while Brown only had them as freshmen. Not to mention Ellis as a #2 is a pretty good weapon to have.

300 yards of offense is not a good day. 340 yards of offense means you struggled or had an off and on day. I'm guessing you played at WNEC, so you have an affinity for the team, that's ok. They are a good team. I'm just saying they aren't elite, or even as good (offensively or defensively) as the 2011 WNEC team that lost to Mass Maritime and then got killed by Salisbury 62-24. Westfield State is the 3rd or 4th best team in the MASCAC, and WNEC really struggled with them

[Boxer7806]

If Westfield was able to control them the full 60 minutes they wouldn't have gotten over 300 yards and  WNE wouldn't have walked right down the field the final 2 drives. They did a good job most of the game but wasn't able to close it out at the end.

For the Bryce Brown offense, Brown was the greatest QB in school history other than Walz. So its fair to say that this offense isn't as good as them. That said Ward is still a very good QB and he has Walz and Cook as seniors while Brown only had them as freshmen. Not to mention Ellis as a #2 is a pretty good weapon to have.

300 yards of offense is not a good day. 340 yards of offense means you struggled or had an off and on day. I'm guessing you played at WNEC, so you have an affinity for the team, that's ok. They are a good team. I'm just saying they aren't elite, or even as good (offensively or defensively) as the 2011 WNEC team that lost to Mass Maritime and then got killed by Salisbury 62-24. Westfield State is the 3rd or 4th best team in the MASCAC, and WNEC really struggled with them

That 2011 WNEC team was very opportunistic, I don't want to say lucky because that is taking to much away from them, but I believe that is the year they beat Endicott in a snowstorm up at their place with the Graham kid housing 2 kick returns for them. They also pulled off one of the better comebacks of the year against Framingham that year in the championship game coming back from down 14-0 with like 4 minutes left to win that game in OT to get to the playoffs. I agree with EastCoast, I like their QB they have now, but he is no Bryce Brown, that kid carried them, he wasn't a great thrower, but he could scramble with the best of them and made something out of nothing for them alot. I'm watching their game on the live cast against Union this weekend and I'm hoping to get a better feel for both programs this year, because I've only watched snippets of WNEC this year.

[jackson5]

If Westfield was able to control them the full 60 minutes they wouldn't have gotten over 300 yards and  WNE wouldn't have walked right down the field the final 2 drives. They did a good job most of the game but wasn't able to close it out at the end.

For the Bryce Brown offense, Brown was the greatest QB in school history other than Walz. So its fair to say that this offense isn't as good as them. That said Ward is still a very good QB and he has Walz and Cook as seniors while Brown only had them as freshmen. Not to mention Ellis as a #2 is a pretty good weapon to have.

300 yards of offense is not a good day. 340 yards of offense means you struggled or had an off and on day. I'm guessing you played at WNEC, so you have an affinity for the team, that's ok. They are a good team. I'm just saying they aren't elite, or even as good (offensively or defensively) as the 2011 WNEC team that lost to Mass Maritime and then got killed by Salisbury 62-24. Westfield State is the 3rd or 4th best team in the MASCAC, and WNEC really struggled with them

Westfield is only giving up 260 yards a game. WNE got 340. So Westfield shut them down despite giving up 80 more yards than they do on average?

For the 2011 team, that was the best team in school history. So yeah this team might not quite be as good as them. I missed the point where I said that this team was better and was a top 25 team. Sorry that I offended you so deeply by saying WNE beat Westfield. I won't bring that up again.

[jackson5]

If Westfield was able to control them the full 60 minutes they wouldn't have gotten over 300 yards and  WNE wouldn't have walked right down the field the final 2 drives. They did a good job most of the game but wasn't able to close it out at the end.

For the Bryce Brown offense, Brown was the greatest QB in school history other than Walz. So its fair to say that this offense isn't as good as them. That said Ward is still a very good QB and he has Walz and Cook as seniors while Brown only had them as freshmen. Not to mention Ellis as a #2 is a pretty good weapon to have.

300 yards of offense is not a good day. 340 yards of offense means you struggled or had an off and on day. I'm guessing you played at WNEC, so you have an affinity for the team, that's ok. They are a good team. I'm just saying they aren't elite, or even as good (offensively or defensively) as the 2011 WNEC team that lost to Mass Maritime and then got killed by Salisbury 62-24. Westfield State is the 3rd or 4th best team in the MASCAC, and WNEC really struggled with them

That 2011 WNEC team was very opportunistic, I don't want to say lucky because that is taking to much away from them, but I believe that is the year they beat Endicott in a snowstorm up at their place with the Graham kid housing 2 kick returns for them. They also pulled off one of the better comebacks of the year against Framingham that year in the championship game coming back from down 14-0 with like 4 minutes left to win that game in OT to get to the playoffs. I agree with EastCoast, I like their QB they have now, but he is no Bryce Brown, that kid carried them, he wasn't a great thrower, but he could scramble with the best of them and made something out of nothing for them alot. I'm watching their game on the live cast against Union this weekend and I'm hoping to get a better feel for both programs this year, because I've only watched snippets of WNEC this year.

They got lucky that the Endicott game was played in a blizzard. I don't think that they  win that in normal conditions. The Maine Maritime loss came without Bryce Brown who was injured and the whole offense. If they had him in that game I think they run the table in the regular season. And Salisbury was #7 in the nation I believe going into the tournament. WNE was kind of supposed to get blown out there. And for the Brown vs Ward argument. Ward has better vision but he's not even close to the same athlete that Brown was. There's some plays where Ward is able to scramble and stay alive where Brown would've just tried to take off and gets tackled at the line. But I'd still take Brown over Ward for his overall play anyday.

[Boxer7806]

If Westfield was able to control them the full 60 minutes they wouldn't have gotten over 300 yards and  WNE wouldn't have walked right down the field the final 2 drives. They did a good job most of the game but wasn't able to close it out at the end.

For the Bryce Brown offense, Brown was the greatest QB in school history other than Walz. So its fair to say that this offense isn't as good as them. That said Ward is still a very good QB and he has Walz and Cook as seniors while Brown only had them as freshmen. Not to mention Ellis as a #2 is a pretty good weapon to have.

300 yards of offense is not a good day. 340 yards of offense means you struggled or had an off and on day. I'm guessing you played at WNEC, so you have an affinity for the team, that's ok. They are a good team. I'm just saying they aren't elite, or even as good (offensively or defensively) as the 2011 WNEC team that lost to Mass Maritime and then got killed by Salisbury 62-24. Westfield State is the 3rd or 4th best team in the MASCAC, and WNEC really struggled with them

That 2011 WNEC team was very opportunistic, I don't want to say lucky because that is taking to much away from them, but I believe that is the year they beat Endicott in a snowstorm up at their place with the Graham kid housing 2 kick returns for them. They also pulled off one of the better comebacks of the year against Framingham that year in the championship game coming back from down 14-0 with like 4 minutes left to win that game in OT to get to the playoffs. I agree with EastCoast, I like their QB they have now, but he is no Bryce Brown, that kid carried them, he wasn't a great thrower, but he could scramble with the best of them and made something out of nothing for them alot. I'm watching their game on the live cast against Union this weekend and I'm hoping to get a better feel for both programs this year, because I've only watched snippets of WNEC this year.

They got lucky that the Endicott game was played in a blizzard. I don't think that they  win that in normal conditions. The Maine Maritime loss came without Bryce Brown who was injured and the whole offense. If they had him in that game I think they run the table in the regular season. And Salisbury was #7 in the nation I believe going into the tournament. WNE was kind of supposed to get blown out there. And for the Brown vs Ward argument. Ward has better vision but he's not even close to the same athlete that Brown was. There's some plays where Ward is able to scramble and stay alive where Brown would've just tried to take off and gets tackled at the line. But I'd still take Brown over Ward for his overall play anyday.

Didn't Brown and that team put up like 70 something points on Maine Maritime in an ECAC bowl the year before??? I remember reading about them putting up video game numbers on them before, and I thought Brown won a golden helmet for it. So naturally I agree they would of beat them with him in there.

[jackson5]

If Westfield was able to control them the full 60 minutes they wouldn't have gotten over 300 yards and  WNE wouldn't have walked right down the field the final 2 drives. They did a good job most of the game but wasn't able to close it out at the end.

For the Bryce Brown offense, Brown was the greatest QB in school history other than Walz. So its fair to say that this offense isn't as good as them. That said Ward is still a very good QB and he has Walz and Cook as seniors while Brown only had them as freshmen. Not to mention Ellis as a #2 is a pretty good weapon to have.

300 yards of offense is not a good day. 340 yards of offense means you struggled or had an off and on day. I'm guessing you played at WNEC, so you have an affinity for the team, that's ok. They are a good team. I'm just saying they aren't elite, or even as good (offensively or defensively) as the 2011 WNEC team that lost to Mass Maritime and then got killed by Salisbury 62-24. Westfield State is the 3rd or 4th best team in the MASCAC, and WNEC really struggled with them

That 2011 WNEC team was very opportunistic, I don't want to say lucky because that is taking to much away from them, but I believe that is the year they beat Endicott in a snowstorm up at their place with the Graham kid housing 2 kick returns for them. They also pulled off one of the better comebacks of the year against Framingham that year in the championship game coming back from down 14-0 with like 4 minutes left to win that game in OT to get to the playoffs. I agree with EastCoast, I like their QB they have now, but he is no Bryce Brown, that kid carried them, he wasn't a great thrower, but he could scramble with the best of them and made something out of nothing for them alot. I'm watching their game on the live cast against Union this weekend and I'm hoping to get a better feel for both programs this year, because I've only watched snippets of WNEC this year.

They got lucky that the Endicott game was played in a blizzard. I don't think that they  win that in normal conditions. The Maine Maritime loss came without Bryce Brown who was injured and the whole offense. If they had him in that game I think they run the table in the regular season. And Salisbury was #7 in the nation I believe going into the tournament. WNE was kind of supposed to get blown out there. And for the Brown vs Ward argument. Ward has better vision but he's not even close to the same athlete that Brown was. There's some plays where Ward is able to scramble and stay alive where Brown would've just tried to take off and gets tackled at the line. But I'd still take Brown over Ward for his overall play anyday.

Didn't Brown and that team put up like 70 something points on Maine Maritime in an ECAC bowl the year before??? I remember reading about them putting up video game numbers on them before, and I thought Brown won a golden helmet for it. So naturally I agree they would of beat them with him in there.

I don't remember the exact score. They put 66 points which was a school record at the time. I think it was 66-48 maybe, I don't know for sure though.

[dlippiel]

Task at hand for WNEC is Union and then there can really be discussion about how good they are. Dlip really likes them and applauds their scheduling both Springfield and Union.

For us die hard Union faithful this weekend will be quite telling. No offense but the opponent to Dlip is completely irrelevant. To Dlip he is looking to see which Dutchmen team shows up. Is there heart left on this team after last weekends program abysmal loss?

Dlip for one is really looking forward to welcoming WNEC to Shocktown on Saturday and regardless of outcome Dlip will be pulling for WNEC to win the NEFC this season.

[Boxer7806]

Task at hand for WNEC is Union and then there can really be discussion about how good they are. Dlip really likes them and applauds their scheduling both Springfield and Union.

For us die hard Union faithful this weekend will be quite telling. No offense but the opponent to Dlip is completely irrelevant. To Dlip he is looking to see which Dutchmen team shows up. Is there heart left on this team after last weekends program abysmal loss?

Dlip for one is really looking forward to welcoming WNEC to Shocktown on Saturday and regardless of outcome Dlip will be pulling for WNEC to win the NEFC this season.

I think there can be discussion as to how good WNEC actually is because they are an actual threat to make the playoffs compared to their opponent and unlike their opponent they have made the playoffs within the last 5 years, albeit from the NEFC. They have also beat Union and Springfield even in mediocre years, so for us the question naturally becomes is this team as good as their championship squad or are they a paper tiger who beat the worst Union team of all time (assuming they win), an overrated Springfield team who just got throttled by Hobart, a mediocre MASCAC team in Westfield St (Who were trailing 28-0 to Framingham late in the 4th before a garbage time TD), and a 2-4 Salve Regina team. 
Now if WNEC loses, I will be praying they lose every game from here on in because the NEFC would be taking a huge step back if their representative for the playoffs is a 9-1 team with their lone loss to a 2-8 LL team. Hell, a loss to Union and WNEC being an ECAC team would still be a blow to the league. The best result for the league if WNEC loses is for them to fall apart and be a middle of the pack team. Hell even with a win, they STILL might be just that. That is why I'm so curious to watch this game and stack them up against Framingham, Fitchburg, Bridgewater, and West Conn, because I've at least watched them play and just won't be making my assumptions based on comparative scores and stats.

[dlippiel]

Absolutely! Dlip did not mean to disregard the discussion on WNEC even though his post looks that way. He was just kind of thinking out loud with a shred of sarcasm being thrown toward don't put the cart before the horse type thought . **** that's why we have these boards to talk about our teams no matter how strong or poor. So Dlip apologizes for that, it is not what he meant .

If WNEC loses to Union Dlip agrees it wouldn't be great for the NEFC however Union is a bit of an exception regarding their record. Meaning that they have played very close games against good competition (minus last week's complete breakdown and towel throw in) and do have a fair amount of talent on both sides of the football. Again, Dlip puts WNEC as a two TD favorite.

[ECoastFootball]

Task at hand for WNEC is Union and then there can really be discussion about how good they are. Dlip really likes them and applauds their scheduling both Springfield and Union.

For us die hard Union faithful this weekend will be quite telling. No offense but the opponent to Dlip is completely irrelevant. To Dlip he is looking to see which Dutchmen team shows up. Is there heart left on this team after last weekends program abysmal loss?

Dlip for one is really looking forward to welcoming WNEC to Shocktown on Saturday and regardless of outcome Dlip will be pulling for WNEC to win the NEFC this season.

I think there can be discussion as to how good WNEC actually is because they are an actual threat to make the playoffs compared to their opponent and unlike their opponent they have made the playoffs within the last 5 years, albeit from the NEFC. They have also beat Union and Springfield even in mediocre years, so for us the question naturally becomes is this team as good as their championship squad or are they a paper tiger who beat the worst Union team of all time (assuming they win), an overrated Springfield team who just got throttled by Hobart, a mediocre MASCAC team in Westfield St (Who were trailing 28-0 to Framingham late in the 4th before a garbage time TD), and a 2-4 Salve Regina team. 
Now if WNEC loses, I will be praying they lose every game from here on in because the NEFC would be taking a huge step back if their representative for the playoffs is a 9-1 team with their lone loss to a 2-8 LL team. Hell, a loss to Union and WNEC being an ECAC team would still be a blow to the league. The best result for the league if WNEC loses is for them to fall apart and be a middle of the pack team. Hell even with a win, they STILL might be just that. That is why I'm so curious to watch this game and stack them up against Framingham, Fitchburg, Bridgewater, and West Conn, because I've at least watched them play and just won't be making my assumptions based on comparative scores and stats.

I'll have my New England Rankings later today, but I would think they would stack up with the MASCAC teams something like:
Framingham
WNEC
West Conn
Fitchburg
Westfield
UMass Dartmouth
Bridgewater.

Better (but close to) West Conn and Fitch, but I think they would get smoked by Framingham.

[dlippiel]

dlip would love to see Framingham play!

[ECoastFootball]

dlip would love to see Framingham play!

http://mascac.tv/

Almost all the conference games are archived here. So you can watch most of their games from the season here.

[dlippiel]

Dlip's write up for today's Union/WNEC game:

www.dlipthedutchman.blogspot.com