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jackson5

Quote from: ITH radio on October 22, 2014, 03:16:26 PM
I think in either case the H2H to start doesn't work b/c they each have losses to one another. Not sure I get what #2 or "competition w/i conf in descending order means". #3 overall win % of conf opponents could decide it but it would be really close. This measure seems like it would actually help Endicott b/c their .700 would sort of "ding" WNE and MIT while Endi would get their .900s. #4 would be N/A in this case. I think #5 could knock out Endicott b/c their overall in this scenario would be 7-3. If that was the case, then I suppose you'd take the H2H of MIT-WNE?

Or just say "**** it" and flip....

The H2H is useless. The in-conference record is if They all had 2 loses, whoever beat the #4 team is then the conference winner. If they all beat #4 then it goes to who beat #5.

I don't see how Endicott can win the tiebreaker so it appears that either they sweep both teams or this weekend is the NEFC title game.

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continental

Endicott would win the tiebreaker because MIT and WNE would each have Endicott's 7-3 record in addition to the other team's 9-1 record considered in their "conference opponent's winning percentage." Endicott would have MIT and WNE's 9-1 records considered in their's. The other five conference members would count the same for each of the three tied teams.

jackson5

Quote from: continental on October 22, 2014, 08:49:28 PM
Endicott would win the tiebreaker because MIT and WNE would each have Endicott's 7-3 record in addition to the other team's 9-1 record considered in their "conference opponent's winning percentage." Endicott would have MIT and WNE's 9-1 records considered in their's. The other five conference members would count the same for each of the three tied teams.

That can't be it. You're punishing MIT and WNE for winning?

ExTartanPlayer

Quote from: jackson5 on October 22, 2014, 08:56:39 PM
Quote from: continental on October 22, 2014, 08:49:28 PM
Endicott would win the tiebreaker because MIT and WNE would each have Endicott's 7-3 record in addition to the other team's 9-1 record considered in their "conference opponent's winning percentage." Endicott would have MIT and WNE's 9-1 records considered in their's. The other five conference members would count the same for each of the three tied teams.

That can't be it. You're punishing MIT and WNE for winning?

I don't think you understood.
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continental

Not punishing MIT and WNE for winning, but rewarding Endicott for performing equally within the conference against teams that have better records...strange but true if that's really how the tiebreaker works.

jackson5

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 22, 2014, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on October 22, 2014, 08:56:39 PM
Quote from: continental on October 22, 2014, 08:49:28 PM
Endicott would win the tiebreaker because MIT and WNE would each have Endicott's 7-3 record in addition to the other team's 9-1 record considered in their "conference opponent's winning percentage." Endicott would have MIT and WNE's 9-1 records considered in their's. The other five conference members would count the same for each of the three tied teams.

That can't be it. You're punishing MIT and WNE for winning?



I don't think you understood.

I'm hoping I'm not.

So if MIT and WNEC go 9-1, and Endicott goes 7-3, Endicott gets the tiebreaker because MIT and WNEC has more wins? How does that make sense?

rlk

Quote from: continental on October 22, 2014, 09:26:21 PM
Not punishing MIT and WNE for winning, but rewarding Endicott for performing equally within the conference against teams that have better records...strange but true if that's really how the tiebreaker works.

I understand it -- I went to MIT after all :) -- but make sense it doesn't.  It would be directly rewarding Endicott for losing non-conference games (in the sense that had Endicott won out, all three would have had equal records (well, actually not, since MIT's playing only 9 games, but let's let that pass for now)).  Since winning the conference is a zero-sum game, rewarding one team for losing is equivalent to punishing the other team(s) involved for winning.

While I realize it's difficult to avoid corner cases in a sport like football where you can't just add a playoff game or two, this particular corner case is egregious.

Hopefully we'll beat both WNE and Endicott, then win out, and there won't be an issue ;D
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dlippiel

Quote from: rlk on October 23, 2014, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: continental on October 22, 2014, 09:26:21 PM
Not punishing MIT and WNE for winning, but rewarding Endicott for performing equally within the conference against teams that have better records...strange but true if that's really how the tiebreaker works.

I understand it -- I went to MIT after all :) -- but make sense it doesn't.  It would be directly rewarding Endicott for losing non-conference games (in the sense that had Endicott won out, all three would have had equal records (well, actually not, since MIT's playing only 9 games, but let's let that pass for now)).  Since winning the conference is a zero-sum game, rewarding one team for losing is equivalent to punishing the other team(s) involved for winning.

While I realize it's difficult to avoid corner cases in a sport like football where you can't just add a playoff game or two, this particular corner case is egregious.

Hopefully we'll beat both WNE and Endicott, then win out, and there won't be an issue ;D

+k to the MIT grad busting out "egregious" in this post. Dlip would also like to see some equations and ****. Homeboy should head over to the NESCAC boards and show those high nosed mfers what the **** is up. Dlip likes!

jackson5

Anyone else not able to get the MIT feed to work?

Boxer7806

Quote from: jackson5 on October 25, 2014, 06:01:29 PM
Anyone else not able to get the MIT feed to work?

I couldn't either... but what a game it was.

rlk

Quote from: Boxer7806 on October 25, 2014, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on October 25, 2014, 06:01:29 PM
Anyone else not able to get the MIT feed to work?

I couldn't either... but what a game it was.

Wild win, all right.  Coming down to a blocked extra point in the final minute.  A real gridiron classic.

MIT looked like we were going to run away with it, scoring two TD's early in the first quarter and tacking on another.  WNE got their game under control, though, and the first half ended wildly with two WNE TD's and an MIT one sandwiched in between.

Third quarter was all WNE; they scored twice on some big plays, then we scored again with about 4 minutes to go.    WNE put together a final drive, though, and scored with a minute to go, but then we blocked their extra point!  Unfortunately, none of us photographing the game got that shot.

WNE is clearlly far stronger than any of the other teams we've played this year.  Next week's the other big game, at Endicott.
MIT Course VI-3 1987 -- #RollTech

jackson5

I'll post my thoughts when I'm not pissed at the ending and say something I shouldn't. That's gonna take a couple days.

Jonny Utah

Quote from: jackson5 on October 25, 2014, 08:51:20 PM
I'll post my thoughts when I'm not pissed at the ending and say something I shouldn't. That's gonna take a couple days.

Not to rub it in, but weren't you one of those who mocked MIT being ranked in an early poll?  I know others were.

Boxer7806

Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 25, 2014, 09:08:28 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on October 25, 2014, 08:51:20 PM
I'll post my thoughts when I'm not pissed at the ending and say something I shouldn't. That's gonna take a couple days.

Not to rub it in, but weren't you one of those who mocked MIT being ranked in an early poll?  I know others were.
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I didnt mock them but I thought they were ranked a little high because their strength of schedule was weak. This was a great win for them and their first vs a team with a wiining record. After the way endicott looked today they(mit) are the favorite to win the nefc. Quite the awesome story with the turn around of that program.