FB: Conference of New England

[NED3Guy]

The Husson ECFC AQ log jam is a high likelihood again as they appear to be well above the other ECFC teams (this weekend vs Castleton will tell a lot though).

I saw a poster on another thread lay out the distances from potential AQ teams, to Bangor Maine and the only non-new england playoff type team (if you can even call them that) is St. Lawrence with Canton NY being only 402 miles from Bangor.

So New England football fans either root like hell for St. Lawrence (to avoid the MIT v Husson type first round game); or we root like hell for Hobart so the NCAA will have little choice but to give us an all new england first round game....or I guess, we can all root for Castleton or Norwich to win the ECFC and make travel to Husson irrelevant.

[MASCACAlum]

Aren't you forgetting about the MASCAC AQ this year??

[NED3Guy]

I was forgetting about that! 100% slipped my mind.

[D3pc]

The Husson ECFC AQ log jam is a high likelihood again as they appear to be well above the other ECFC teams (this weekend vs Castleton will tell a lot though).

I saw a poster on another thread lay out the distances from potential AQ teams, to Bangor Maine and the only non-new england playoff type team (if you can even call them that) is St. Lawrence with Canton NY being only 402 miles from Bangor.

So New England football fans either root like hell for St. Lawrence (to avoid the MIT v Husson type first round game); or we root like hell for Hobart so the NCAA will have little choice but to give us an all new england first round game....or I guess, we can all root for Castleton or Norwich to win the ECFC and make travel to Husson irrelevant.

That was me! and yes i forgot about that too until a few posts later. Let's not forget WNE seems like the front runner for the NEFC. Hypothetically, lets have Husson, Framingham, WNE, St Lawrence, Ithaca, Wesley, Rowan, and Cortland. Again, Hypothetical, no one get there undies in a bunch. This would leave many more options than the dreaded MIT-Husson matchup. The NCAA does however factor in costs. Hence the 500 mile limit in round 1 (except if impossible). It won't be a simple 1-8 1 plays 8 2 plays 7 etc.

All i was saying is, I think it would be great for the east and very telling if we could have something like a Husson-SLU, Framingham-Ithaca, WNE-Rowan kind of thing.

[jackson5]

WNEC is solid, but still from an overall perspective of New England football, I don't think we have a team that will win a playoff game from either league. The only hope is that Husson wins the ECFC again and causes a massive logjam because of travel restrictions, where either Framingham or WNEC gets a favorable matchup. Personally I hate seeing it work out that way, it doesn't make the New England schools any better and it makes a second round game potentially a second round bye. No offense to MIT, but that was what they were to Wesley last year. But there is A LOT of football left to be played.

Theyre good enough to beat Multiple NCAA teams, unfortunately they'll probably get a top 10 team that would give them little chance of keeping it close. If they could get a Hobart or Cortland then they'd have a shot at an upset,  but I don't think there's many conferences below the NEFC which means the champ will be going to Rowan or John  Hopkins.

[Boxer7806]

WNEC is solid, but still from an overall perspective of New England football, I don't think we have a team that will win a playoff game from either league. The only hope is that Husson wins the ECFC again and causes a massive logjam because of travel restrictions, where either Framingham or WNEC gets a favorable matchup. Personally I hate seeing it work out that way, it doesn't make the New England schools any better and it makes a second round game potentially a second round bye. No offense to MIT, but that was what they were to Wesley last year. But there is A LOT of football left to be played.

Theyre good enough to beat Multiple NCAA teams, unfortunately they'll probably get a top 10 team that would give them little chance of keeping it close. If they could get a Hobart or Cortland then they'd have a shot at an upset,  but I don't think there's many conferences below the NEFC which means the champ will be going to Rowan or John  Hopkins.

I'm curious, out of the top ten in the east, which teams are you confident WNEC could beat in the playoffs?

[Boxer7806]

I could see maybe upsetting Hobart, but not Cortland right now. Also WNEC is going to get a good seed in the East where they could play the Liberty League champ as the home team. WNEC should roll through the rest of the NEFC if they are as good as you think they are. Of all the teams in New England, they have the best shot at getting a playoff win because they have the best chance at running the table and getting a favorable matchup.

[dlippiel]

dlip watched (albeit painstakingly) his beloved Dutchmen get manhandled by the Golden Bears two weeks ago. dlip was quite impressed with WNEU and feels they have some real talent on offense. He would like to see them run the table in the NEFC (which he thinks they will do) and believes that if they can do that, they have a good shot at taking down the eventual LL champ (if that matchup happens) no matter who it is. dlip doesn't think WNEU is a world beater by any means but they ARE CERTAINLY a good football team and he wishes them the best.

Random ****ing thought below

Right now he thinks WNEU and RPI would be a very interesting match-up. dlip is high on the Engineers as well and would like to see this game played

[bman]

I could see maybe upsetting Hobart, but not Cortland right now. Also WNEC is going to get a good seed in the East where they could play the Liberty League champ as the home team. WNEC should roll through the rest of the NEFC if they are as good as you think they are. Of all the teams in New England, they have the best shot at getting a playoff win because they have the best chance at running the table and getting a favorable matchup.

I just don't see anything other than a seeding that would have them playing anyone other than a 1 or 2 seed, unless the 500 mile rule comes into play.  There just is no strength of schedule power or a signature win available in their schedule...

[Bombers798891]

I could see maybe upsetting Hobart, but not Cortland right now. Also WNEC is going to get a good seed in the East where they could play the Liberty League champ as the home team. WNEC should roll through the rest of the NEFC if they are as good as you think they are. Of all the teams in New England, they have the best shot at getting a playoff win because they have the best chance at running the table and getting a favorable matchup.

I just don't see anything other than a seeding that would have them playing anyone other than a 1 or 2 seed, unless the 500 mile rule comes into play.  There just is no strength of schedule power or a signature win available in their schedule...

Yeah, and the trouble is, we're likely to get one of two scenarios:

1. A 500-mile game pitting them against another NE school or
2. A matchup with a team that is probably way out of their weightclass (like Wesley)

Neither really tells us much. Something like Ithaca/Cortland/Rowan/Hobart/St. Lawrence would give us a chance to really evaluate where they stand.

[Boxer7806]

I could see maybe upsetting Hobart, but not Cortland right now. Also WNEC is going to get a good seed in the East where they could play the Liberty League champ as the home team. WNEC should roll through the rest of the NEFC if they are as good as you think they are. Of all the teams in New England, they have the best shot at getting a playoff win because they have the best chance at running the table and getting a favorable matchup.

I just don't see anything other than a seeding that would have them playing anyone other than a 1 or 2 seed, unless the 500 mile rule comes into play.  There just is no strength of schedule power or a signature win available in their schedule...

Disagree with this respectfully. SUNY Martime ran the table in the ECFC and was a 3 seed with no signature win. Framingham has been as high as a 4 seed with an in season loss before to a fellow New England school. Framingham a fellow New England school has also gotten a POOL B spot. All of this without a signature win, which has been brought up many times on these boards. I'm just saying that if WNEU runs the table, there is a good chance they get a 3-4 seed and possibly a home playoff game.

Framingham the favorite in the MASCAC already lost to Cortland. Husson has a lost to Alfred. The MAC looks like the champ could have 1-2 losses. The Empire 8's top two teams are Cortland vs Ithaca (which as we know in that conference could change by next week) and one of them is guaranteed a loss since they play each other the last week of the year. Hobart, the top dog in the Liberty League already has a loss, even if its to a good Ithaca team as well.

Point being, WNEC is going to finish undefeated and will do it in pretty easy fashion most likely, I think they will be rewarded with a seed that doesn't have them going to Wesley. Husson on Framingham for that matter, well good luck to you guys.

[bman]

Fair enough...

So let's look at this a different way.  If the season were to end now (and yes I know this will be different even 2 weeks from now)...but let's just say that we ended now...the regional fan poll would look like this...

1   Wesley ( 7 )         Pool A   NJAC Champ
2   Ithaca                  Pool A   E8 Champ
3   Rowan                 Pool A   NJAC champ
4   Cortland State      Pool C   
6t  Albright              Pool A MAC Champ
6t  Hobart                 Pool A  LL Champ
6t  Stevenson            no bid
8   Salisbury             no bid
9   Alfred                   no bid
10t Brockport State        no bid
10t Western New England      Pool A NEFC Champ
NR Framingham St                Pool A   MASCAC
NR Husson            Pool A  ECFC

Now knowing that regional SOS rankings matter, the ranking would look like this (now keep in mind that I am too lazy to run real SOS simulation, so I used 2014...)   If they are remotely similar, regionally they would be ranked like this:
                                                                                    2014 SOS ranking
1   Wesley ( 7 )              Pool A   NJAC Champ                   2
2   Rowan                        Pool A   NJAC champ                     17
3    Ithaca                       Pool A   E8 Champ                       37
NR Framingham St         Pool A   MASCAC                           46
4   Cortland State           Pool C                                           105
6t  Hobart                       Pool A  LL Champ                      130
10t Western New England   Pool A NEFC Champ                    180
NR Husson                     Pool A  ECFC                              221

Now adding mileage:  (I used Husson as the furthest point)

Team                                                                Distance    2014 SOS ranking
1   Wesley ( 7 )         Pool A   NJAC Champ                     610           2
2   Ithaca                 Pool A   E8 Champ                     561      37
3   Rowan                 Pool A   NJAC champ                546      17
4   Cortland State      Pool C                                      554      105
6t  Albright         Pool A MAC Champ                             572      168
6t  Hobart                 Pool A  LL Champ                            589      130
10t Western New England   Pool A NEFC Champ                315      180
NR Framingham St             Pool A   MASCAC                   259      46
NR Husson          Pool A  ECFC                                                      221

So in this scenario

Round 1

It's logical to move Albright to South Region

Then

Husson @ WNE
Hobart @ Wesley
Cortland St @ Rowan
Framingham St @ Ithaca

Unless Husson is moved to another region there will never be the matchups you guys want.   

Regional seeds are a math exercise  WNEC's OOC games are against teams that will likely end with losing records (although I haven't looked at OOP records...), it wont help much
WNEC was ranked 180 and Husson 221 in regional ranking SOS.  No way either gets a higher seed.   Framingham St playing Cortland helps them immensely...

Don't get me wrong, I have no agenda or bias against any team coming out of the ECFC or the NEFC, but the math doesn't support them being any higher than the bottom 2 of the regional ranking...

[Boxer7806]

Fair enough...

So let's look at this a different way.  If the season were to end now (and yes I know this will be different even 2 weeks from now)...but let's just say that we ended now...the regional fan poll would look like this...

1   Wesley ( 7 )         Pool A   NJAC Champ
2   Ithaca                      Pool A   E8 Champ
3   Rowan                 Pool A   NJAC champ
4   Cortland State      Pool C   
6t  Albright         Pool A MAC Champ
6t  Hobart                 Pool A  LL Champ
6t  Stevenson         no bid
8   Salisbury         no bid
9   Alfred                 no bid
10t Brockport State      no bid
10t Western New England   Pool A NEFC Champ
NR Framingham St             Pool A   MASCAC
NR Husson          Pool A  ECFC

Now knowing that regional SOS rankings matter, the ranking would look like this (now keep in mind that I am too lazy to run real SOS simulation, so I used 2014...)   If they are remotely similar, regionally they would be ranked like this:

1   Wesley ( 7 )              Pool A   NJAC Champ                          2
2   Rowan                 Pool A   NJAC champ             17
3    Ithaca                 Pool A   E8 Champ            37
NR Framingham St             Pool A   MASCAC            46
4   Cortland State           Pool C                          105
6t  Hobart                 Pool A  LL Champ             130
10t Western New England   Pool A NEFC Champ            180
NR Husson          Pool A  ECFC               221

Now adding mileage:  (I used Husson as the furthest point)

Team                                       Distance    2014 SOS ranking
1   Wesley ( 7 )         Pool A   NJAC Champ          610           2
2   Ithaca                 Pool A   E8 Champ      561      37
3   Rowan                 Pool A   NJAC champ      546      17
4   Cortland State      Pool C                    554      105
6t  Albright         Pool A MAC Champ       572      168
6t  Hobart                 Pool A  LL Champ       589      130
10t Western New England   Pool A NEFC Champ      315      180
NR Framingham St             Pool A   MASCAC      259      46
NR Husson          Pool A  ECFC               221

So in this scenario

Round 1

It's logical to move Albright to South Region

Then

Husson @ WNE
Hobart @ Wesley
Cortland St @ Rowan
Framingham St @ Ithaca

Unless Husson is moved to another region there will never be the matchups you guys want.   

Regional seeds are a math exercise  WNEC's OOC games are against teams that will likely end with losing records (although I haven't looked at OOP records...), it wont help much
WNEC was ranked 180 and Husson 221 in regional ranking SOS.  No way either gets a higher seed.   Framingham St playing Cortland helps them immensely...

Don't get me wrong, I have no agenda or bias against any team coming out of the ECFC or the NEFC, but the math doesn't support them being any higher than the bottom 2 of the regional ranking...

Fair Enough...

I see your point. Good work. +k

[jackson5]

WNEC is solid, but still from an overall perspective of New England football, I don't think we have a team that will win a playoff game from either league. The only hope is that Husson wins the ECFC again and causes a massive logjam because of travel restrictions, where either Framingham or WNEC gets a favorable matchup. Personally I hate seeing it work out that way, it doesn't make the New England schools any better and it makes a second round game potentially a second round bye. No offense to MIT, but that was what they were to Wesley last year. But there is A LOT of football left to be played.

Theyre good enough to beat Multiple NCAA teams, unfortunately they'll probably get a top 10 team that would give them little chance of keeping it close. If they could get a Hobart or Cortland then they'd have a shot at an upset,  but I don't think there's many conferences below the NEFC which means the champ will be going to Rowan or John  Hopkins.

I'm curious, out of the top ten in the east, which teams are you confident WNEC could beat in the playoffs?

As in be the favorite?  None. But I could see them giving Alfred,  Salisbury, Brockport all fits and keeping it within a one score game.

[jackson5]

Fair enough...

So let's look at this a different way.  If the season were to end now (and yes I know this will be different even 2 weeks from now)...but let's just say that we ended now...the regional fan poll would look like this...

1   Wesley ( 7 )         Pool A   NJAC Champ
2   Ithaca                  Pool A   E8 Champ
3   Rowan                 Pool A   NJAC champ
4   Cortland State      Pool C   
6t  Albright              Pool A MAC Champ
6t  Hobart                 Pool A  LL Champ
6t  Stevenson            no bid
8   Salisbury             no bid
9   Alfred                   no bid
10t Brockport State        no bid
10t Western New England      Pool A NEFC Champ
NR Framingham St                Pool A   MASCAC
NR Husson            Pool A  ECFC

Now knowing that regional SOS rankings matter, the ranking would look like this (now keep in mind that I am too lazy to run real SOS simulation, so I used 2014...)   If they are remotely similar, regionally they would be ranked like this:
                                                                                    2014 SOS ranking
1   Wesley ( 7 )              Pool A   NJAC Champ                   2
2   Rowan                        Pool A   NJAC champ                     17
3    Ithaca                       Pool A   E8 Champ                       37
NR Framingham St         Pool A   MASCAC                           46
4   Cortland State           Pool C                                           105
6t  Hobart                       Pool A  LL Champ                      130
10t Western New England   Pool A NEFC Champ                    180
NR Husson                     Pool A  ECFC                              221

Now adding mileage:  (I used Husson as the furthest point)

Team                                                                Distance    2014 SOS ranking
1   Wesley ( 7 )         Pool A   NJAC Champ                     610           2
2   Ithaca                 Pool A   E8 Champ                     561      37
3   Rowan                 Pool A   NJAC champ                546      17
4   Cortland State      Pool C                                      554      105
6t  Albright         Pool A MAC Champ                             572      168
6t  Hobart                 Pool A  LL Champ                            589      130
10t Western New England   Pool A NEFC Champ                315      180
NR Framingham St             Pool A   MASCAC                   259      46
NR Husson          Pool A  ECFC                                                      221

So in this scenario

Round 1

It's logical to move Albright to South Region

Then

Husson @ WNE
Hobart @ Wesley
Cortland St @ Rowan
Framingham St @ Ithaca

Unless Husson is moved to another region there will never be the matchups you guys want.   

Regional seeds are a math exercise  WNEC's OOC games are against teams that will likely end with losing records (although I haven't looked at OOP records...), it wont help much
WNEC was ranked 180 and Husson 221 in regional ranking SOS.  No way either gets a higher seed.   Framingham St playing Cortland helps them immensely...

Don't get me wrong, I have no agenda or bias against any team coming out of the ECFC or the NEFC, but the math doesn't support them being any higher than the bottom 2 of the regional ranking...

That's how I view it to. Had Endicott beaten FSU then it might  be different. An undefeated WNE is getting one of the worst seeds with the only shot at a home game being if Husson gets in.

For dlip, I wish that WNE made a contract with RPI instead of union a few years back instead of doing the scrimmages with them. While the first game was great the last two hasn't done anything for WNE. The rise of RPI and WNE are synchronized so a match up of them would be a good to watch these last few years.