FB: Conference of New England

[ExTartanPlayer]

Most schools have a head coach that's full time and maybe one assistant that's full time, but part of that full time is being head of intramurals or game day operations at the school.

This is not unusual; rven at D3 schools where the full-time staff is a bit larger, most of the guys will wear some other hats like this.  Even being a full-time employee of the school vs. part-time is huge, though...at least you'll spend the whole day on campus and engaged in athletics/school operations as opposed to showing up for practice and watching film on your own time.

Re: the earlier thing about full-time "staffs" I think that was just a bit of unclear speech.  I don't think almost anybody in D3 has a true full-time staff.  I think it's pretty normal for most D3 schools to have full time HC and coordinators, maybe with an extra wild-card position or two thrown in if they're lucky.  My alma mater has HC, OC, DC, and a fourth full-time guy who coaches a position and then juggles recruiting, video, and other stuff like that.

[lewdogg11]

My Staff is Full-Time.

[NED3Guy]

Taken from Curry website Bio of Coach Bandini: http://www.curryathletics.com/sports/fball/coaches/index

"Bandini joined the Curry Athletics staff full-time in June of 2014...."

When I use the term full time, I don't mean to say football only; but rather how many guys can make their living off of the money they get from the athletic department? How many guys are on campus on a Wednesday in March when Johnny Recruit and his parents show up on campus for a tour? How many guys can do school visits on weekdays in November and December when 90% of the teams in New England are on the road doing the same?

If your staff is made up of guys holding down 9-5 jobs, sneaking in game film on lunch break, and ducking out early a few days a week for practices; they may be the best coaches in the world, but your ability to recruit is going to suffer.

** I mean to take nothing away from those part-time coaches. It's awesome that they do what they do for the love of the sport (god knows they don't get paid much). And some of them are amazing coaches**

I don't know enough about Curry to dive too much into this, I'm just going off what the website tells me and what I know about other programs in the NEFC / CCC. Endicott, Salve, WNE, MIT and Coast Guard have had multiple guys in a full-time capacity for years....Not sure about Nichols currently. But I believe Loney had himself and two others in the office full time. From the looks of it, Curry just got to that point in 2014.

I don't know much about the staff structure at the MASCAC schools beyond Plymouth and MMA. I know those two schools have multiple guys who get year round pay from the athletic department, and can be out on the road recruiting. Plymouth has at least two full salary guys (HC and DC) as well as a few intern / GA type positions that get stipends and are expected to work full time hours. Maine Maritime has the HC, DC, OLine Coach, and a few intern guys as well. 

[Boxer7806]

Curry always had a full-time coach whose other title was usually something like "director of football operations" during Skip's part-time years.  I think that position essentially still exists, and I believe their current DC is full-time.

I think you also have to look at where these school are recruiting with these full time coaches. I think the better MA kids who play D3 have typically gone to state schools just because of the cost factor. Curry costs over 50k a year when I took time to look it up. That is 30k more a year than most of the state schools. I also think that is why you can explain the shift in power between the NEFC/MASCAC, with the MASCAC being a slightly stronger conference than the NEFC/ECFC.

Looking at Curry's roster, its mostly MA kids. So I then took a look at WNEC's roster who is in first place and was actually taken off guard by not the number of out state kids they have, but how many out of state kids they have from New York and New Jersey on their roster. WNEC has kids from FL, TX, PA, MD on their roster as well, not to say they are getting prime time recruits from those traditional football powerhouses, but it speaks volumes that they are trying to create pipelines to those states.

For years the NEFC was smacked around by NJAC and E8 schools, its nice to see one of the schools take the time to build their rosters with kids from those regions and supplement them with some of the better MA and CT they can get. I just hope this leads to some better results on a regional scale.

[jackson5]

I don't know for sure about football, but i know Nichols does not have any full time coaches, even head coaches in any of their other sports. Most of the  CCC schools were part time until  the mid 2000's which could explain why Curry fell behind once they became behind the 8 ball.

For WNE, the large number of CT players are from the I-91 corridor which runs from 5 minutes away to up to only an hour away from WNE. So it's closer and easier to get to than Boston and most of Mass. It is good that they're in NY and NJ to.

[fulbakdad]

NED3, that's incorrect about Plymouth.  HC is full time,  all others part time.  No Graduate Assts.  At least not as most would define.  They get a very small stipend with no assistance towards classes, housing or meals....

[NED3Guy]

Agree to disagree.

Fairly confident Zemann is FT, and young guy Manley has an "intern" job that keeps him in the office during normal working hours...I assume similar for the other younger coaches who relocated to the area to join the staff.

Plymouth doesn't have the economy of greater Boston, so the odds of a guy from out of the area having a "real job" and being PT are very slim. The young out of area / non alum assistant coaches on their staff, relocated there to be coaches and are putting in the hours you'd see from traditional GA type guys. Yes their compensation packages include no classes or housing, but they are working full time as coaches

[jackson5]

Springfield, a team that WNE made look like a high school team just blew out Hobart. Either Springfield got a lot better since week 1 or WNE is a force.

[jackson5]

Coming off of a bye week we're back in action this week. By the week why wasn't the league doing this all along? No one is on campus Columbus day weekend and it's the exact middle point of the season? Anyways, here's  My picks

WNE -45 @ Maine Maritime
Endicott -9.5 @ salve
Nichols @ Curry -2.5
MIT -4.5 @ Coast Guard

Two key games for me are endicott-salve and MIT-coast guard. CoastGuard and Salve are the two teams I can't get a read on. I think Salve is worse than we think and coast Guard might be better than we think. But I'm not sure yet.  How they do this weekend will give us a better idea of who the good and who the bad are in this league.

[AUPepBand]

Springfield, a team that WNE made look like a high school team just blew out Hobart. Either Springfield got a lot better since week 1 or WNE is a force.

Springfield, with a one-dimensional offensive attack, either can roll over opponents or fizzle. Depends on the ability of the opponent's defense to play solid assignment defense and shut down that vaunted running attack. Early in their entry in the E8, Alfred struggled against it; as time went on, the Saxons could shut them down. The Pride had it rolling in a 2012 ECAC bowl game in Springfield against an injury-riddled Saxon squad that might have been better off staying home.

Pep is wondering whether injuries had anything to do with Hobart's implosion Saturday. Statesmen led 13-0 at halftime but lost, 35-13. Sometimes a squad losing one or two key players to injury can turn the tide in a game.

[Boxer7806]

Springfield, a team that WNE made look like a high school team just blew out Hobart. Either Springfield got a lot better since week 1 or WNE is a force.

Could be both. Last year WNEC beat Springfield to open up the year, but as the year went on, many people brought up the point that if they played head to head again later on the year, Springfield would probably win the game. Alot of that was in reference to EastCoast's New England poll he was putting up each week.

Frankly, it stinks WNEC isn't getting more respect in the East Region poll but I get the rationale behind it. Its not as if WNEC went out and scheduled bad teams, they actually attempted to schedule up. Unfortunately we won't know much until playoff time.

[jackson5]

Springfield, a team that WNE made look like a high school team just blew out Hobart. Either Springfield got a lot better since week 1 or WNE is a force.

Could be both. Last year WNEC beat Springfield to open up the year, but as the year went on, many people brought up the point that if they played head to head again later on the year, Springfield would probably win the game. Alot of that was in reference to EastCoast's New England poll he was putting up each week.

Frankly, it stinks WNEC isn't getting more respect in the East Region poll but I get the rationale behind it. Its not as if WNEC went out and scheduled bad teams, they actually attempted to schedule up. Unfortunately we won't know much until playoff time.

I get the WNE isn't playing anyone rationale. That'll change with Endicott and hopefully Salve or MIT if one of them can get it together. But it's not like they're scrapping by Westfield and Nichols. I think the number is 40-9 for the average score of their games with the horses being called off in the beginning of the 4th if not sooner in all these games.

And like I mentioned, when they faced Sprinfield,  Springfield looked like a high school team who was gonna get rail roaded in Liberty League play. To blow out Hobart shows that they are actually an average team.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think they're a top 10 team or anything like that. But you can't really watch them play and then say that they wouldn't be top 2 or 3 in the Liberty and play great games with RPI and St Lawrence.

[D3MAFAN]

Springfield, a team that WNE made look like a high school team just blew out Hobart. Either Springfield got a lot better since week 1 or WNE is a force.

Could be both. Last year WNEC beat Springfield to open up the year, but as the year went on, many people brought up the point that if they played head to head again later on the year, Springfield would probably win the game. Alot of that was in reference to EastCoast's New England poll he was putting up each week.

Frankly, it stinks WNEC isn't getting more respect in the East Region poll but I get the rationale behind it. Its not as if WNEC went out and scheduled bad teams, they actually attempted to schedule up. Unfortunately we won't know much until playoff time.

I get the WNE isn't playing anyone rationale. That'll change with Endicott and hopefully Salve or MIT if one of them can get it together. But it's not like they're scrapping by Westfield and Nichols. I think the number is 40-9 for the average score of their games with the horses being called off in the beginning of the 4th if not sooner in all these games.

And like I mentioned, when they faced Sprinfield,  Springfield looked like a high school team who was gonna get rail roaded in Liberty League play. To blow out Hobart shows that they are actually an average team.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think they're a top 10 team or anything like that. But you can't really watch them play and then say that they wouldn't be top 2 or 3 in the Liberty and play great games with RPI and St Lawrence.

I agree 1oo% Jackson.

[dlippiel]

Dlip also agrees. Well said.

[AUPepBand]

Springfield, a team that WNE made look like a high school team just blew out Hobart. Either Springfield got a lot better since week 1 or WNE is a force.

Could be both. Last year WNEC beat Springfield to open up the year, but as the year went on, many people brought up the point that if they played head to head again later on the year, Springfield would probably win the game. Alot of that was in reference to EastCoast's New England poll he was putting up each week.

Frankly, it stinks WNEC isn't getting more respect in the East Region poll but I get the rationale behind it. Its not as if WNEC went out and scheduled bad teams, they actually attempted to schedule up. Unfortunately we won't know much until playoff time.

I get the WNE isn't playing anyone rationale. That'll change with Endicott and hopefully Salve or MIT if one of them can get it together. But it's not like they're scrapping by Westfield and Nichols. I think the number is 40-9 for the average score of their games with the horses being called off in the beginning of the 4th if not sooner in all these games.

And like I mentioned, when they faced Sprinfield,  Springfield looked like a high school team who was gonna get rail roaded in Liberty League play. To blow out Hobart shows that they are actually an average team.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think they're a top 10 team or anything like that. But you can't really watch them play and then say that they wouldn't be top 2 or 3 in the Liberty and play great games with RPI and St Lawrence.

A solid defense i.e. Ithaca can make a potent offense look average. Pep gets it that WNEU is pummeling the competition in the NEFC. There aren't any Ithaca Bomber defenses in the NEFC. Frankly, don't see Endicott, Salve Regina or MIT giving the Golden Bears much of a battle. Not this year, anyway. Sort of reminds Pep of the Curry Colonels, who for several years zipped through their regular season schedule then get clobbered by an RPI or St. John Fisher. Eventually, Curry got its first NCAA playoff win, folks started to give them some respect and they abruptly fell back into mediocrity. Respect will come. Pep learned long ago not to worry about rankings. The key is that the Golden Bears continue to play well.