FB: Conference of New England

[footballfan2005]

BostonBomber
"The NEFC schools themselves dont have a great deal to offer in terms of facilities, academics or programs as a whole.  D3 NY State schools seem to put a lot more money into their academics, schools and athletic facilities than MA schools.......On the other hand, the nefc schools also dont have to compete with nescac, LL or empire 8 schools either."

Bomber you should update your information... The NEFC definately competes w/the nescac and the LL... look at the roster for Hobart (who you mention alot).  They get tons of kids from the Boston area... and the nescac... take all the student athletes that missed the IVY's... not to mention

Players from Boston area
Hobart: 9 players
Union: 19 players
Trinity: 21 players
Bates: 33 players
Amherst: 25 Players....

Did I make my point or should I go on...


I agree w/you on the coaching... in upstate it's a business... they take the sping seriously.  But if the NEFC gets a coach that comes from a good upstate program and implements the same system he could run the NEFC.

The other point you make about MA talent... I don't agree w.you on that either.. NY and NJ are a hell of alot large states... can't compare

[Jonny Utah]

footballfan, my point was that NEFC schools with the exception of MIT arent at the same par academically as the schools you mention, (union, hobart or any nescac school)  The kid in highschool that is looking seriously at schools like   hobart, union or the nescac schools is not going to look at nefc schools in the same light.

Union, Hobart, LL schools and nescac schools are the best college in the country in all areas, academics and athletics. They are on the top of the first tier schools. The nefc schools are fourth tier schools, therefore the two groups dont have to compete with the same student athletes for the most part.

And although I would love to say that massachusetts highschool football is on par with nj or even ct, it just isnt true.  NJ has the best highschool football in the country regardless of size. 

[SullyMustGo]

The sad thing about Framingham's football program is that they beat a very poor MIT team and think it's the greatest thing in the world.  It was great to see them break their losing streak because they put in alot of hard work but all their accomplishments are in spite of their coach.  He has done nothing but hurt that program while he insists he's done nothing but good for the team.  Can someone please tell me how bad of a record does the coach have to have before he gets fired.  This is getting rediculous.  If anything please hire an offensive coordinator that actually knows the basics to play calling. It's just sad to see that program hit rock bottom.  When a 1-8 or 2-7 season is a great accomplishment, changes need to be made. 

[SullyMustGo]

Way to go Sully 46-0 loss, maybe you think its a moral victory cause it wasn't 75-0.

[inthebleachers]

Let's face it, the NEFC is a melting pot.  Academically, you have MIT as definitely one of the nation's top academic institutions, Salve and Endicott are tier one schools, WNEC is at the top of the second tier.  Then you have the state schools educating the masses in the fourth tier, with Nichols and Curry, two schools that make success stories out of kids that might struggle academically elsewhere.  You have a school like Bridgewater with over 9,000 students and Nichols with just over 800.  Some schools allow some leeway when admitting athletes, and some like MIT, WNEC and Salve won't budge.  Then, there is the issue of which schools have full time and part time coaching.  All the disparities seem to make it ridiculous to band these teams together, but it's what we're stuck with and I guess it keeps things interesting...   

[63Center]

Excellent comment and analysis, inthebleachers.  With USCGA and Plymouth State joining the NEFC next year, I look for some teams to possibly jump ship in a few years or for the conference to split into two conferences rather than two divisions.  The NEFC is getting too big and maybe too diverse to continue as is. 

[Dan Iman]

When speaking of schools with very high academic standards why do most of you leave out Mass Maritime.

[Jonny Utah]

Dan, I dont know much about mass or maine maritime but they arent ranked in the usnews reports on top US colleges.  Here are how some eastern teams rank in the usnews top northern masters colleges.

4- College of New Jersey
7- Ithaca
14- alfred
33- Rowan
44- Salve Regina
56- Springfield
56- Umass Dartmouth
62- Saint John Fisher
62- WNEC
68- Montclair
68- Wilkes
70- Norwich.

[inthebleachers]

As NEFC goes, don't forget Endicott is ranked #20 in the comprehensive colleges.  Now there's a school that's come a long way in a short time - their acceptance rate is only about 45% and they have a waiting list every year.  It was only four or five years ago when they'd take just about anybody.  And they've had just four years of football - they've come a long way there for sure! 
Princeton Review also recognizes 2 NEFC schools in their publications-  MIT is (of course) listed in their "361 Best Colleges" (nationwide) and Salve Regina is listed in their "224 Best Northeastern Colleges" (District of Columbia to Maine).   
I missed UMD at#56, and since the rankings were my source I don't know about MA or ME Maritime.

Speaking of the Maritime schools,  what happened with Maine Maritime vs Curry?!!  I had to read that one twice.  Where's the press release??

And, for that matter, what about Worcester State vs. Salve???  That was a close one, won by WSC with just 32 seconds left??

[inthebleachers]

Mass Maritime reports their incoming freshman GPA below 3.0.  A 3.0 is a B.  With MIT at 3.8, Salve at 3.3, and WNEC, Endicott and UMD all above 3.0, they have incoming classes that average out at B or above.   I stand by my earlier post, with the addition of UMD.

But, let's talk about the past weekend's games??

[footballfan2005]

And, for that matter, what about Worcester State vs. Salve???  That was a close one, won by WSC with just 32 seconds left??

Worcester State appeared to be in the drivers seat at half time... they dominated on offense through the air...and their defense looked solid... the second half they gave Salve everychance to win the game... 3int's and a couple fumbles lost allowing Salve to have a short field.

However, Beatrice led WSC down the field w/2 min left in the ball game and guided WSC to their first victory of the year with a swing pass to Kasprack for a 12 yard TD.
WSC should get on a roll w/MIT next... before they start their division play..

[Jonny Utah]

inthebleachers, incomming high school gpa doesnt mean anything.  Ive used the example many times of the west roxbury high school player that had a 3.7 gpa and got denied at boston college....and he was their top basketball recruit!!!!!!!

[SullyMustGo]

While we're on the topic of these college's academically, Framingham sells to their recruits that FSC is the #1 State school in Mass, and the #3 State school in all of new england.  Yes their school is hard to get into but does anyone know if these numbers are true.  In the post's above I didn't see Fram in there.  I understand that Coach Sully's credentials are horrible along with the program so he has to muster some kind of BS to get players to go their. 

[Jonny Utah]

well sullymustgo, framingham is behind Vermont, UNH, Uconn, Uri and Umass right off the bat.  I dont think framingham is too hard to get into. 800 SATs and a C average taking high school standards would have gotten you into framingham 3 years ago.

[SullyMustGo]

My point exactly bomber, Thanx.