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cstate19

Quote from: mel on November 16, 2008, 04:03:36 PM
Upstate, I totally disagree.

Even if both CState and IC blow up both PSU and Curry those games will take their toll.

PSU just runs the ball and the effect will be like playing Springfield... it will be very physical.  PSU will put 70 runs on Cstate.  CState would rather play a team that throws the ball 40 times.
Curry is more balanced and its style will play into IC's hands.
A second round game between IC and CState at IC will be in IC favor because of the physical style of PSU.

Ummmm are you serious?  Did you actually bother to look at the box score of the IC game or any other game this year.  Our run defense is amazing and our pass D is suspect at most. 

mel

I get it CState... believe me I get it.

My point is Cortland will have to tackle PSU 70 + times and that takes its toll on a bunch of guys in the front 7.  I do not see PSU winning in any manner but they will get their pound of flesh.   PSU's oline is very quick like a Springfield line.  The Corlanders will have to deal with alot of low blocks.

You missed my entire point. 

cstate19

No I got it, the pjhysical demand on the body will hurt us against IC the next week but MY POINT was that if they threw the ball 50 times we might never get to IC. 

PantherPr1de

Congrats on another title, it's time to step it up another notch!!!  Joe Dudek style!!!!

Reno Hightower

Here come the ghosts of Plymouth pasts!

mel

Well CState.. great news for you.  PSU has barely the intention of throwing. 
Rest easy and best of luck.

InTheMix

Congrats to Plymouth State...and to Curry.

And Congrats to the NEFC in general for getting TWO teams into the NCAA tournament. Who would have thought that we'd get an at large bid, and a possible rematch in round two (although unlikely)

another season winding down....but heating up

Bombers798891

Quote from: mel on November 16, 2008, 04:03:36 PM
Upstate, I totally disagree.

Even if both CState and IC blow up both PSU and Curry those games will take their toll.

PSU just runs the ball and the effect will be like playing Springfield... it will be very physical.  PSU will put 70 runs on Cstate.  CState would rather play a team that throws the ball 40 times.
Curry is more balanced and its style will play into IC's hands.
A second round game between IC and CState at IC will be in IC favor because of the physical style of PSU.

So what's the 411 on Curry? Looks like the QB has a low completion % and a 1-1 TD/INT ratio, but a ton of yards. Also, they seem to have a RB by committee thing going. Do they run a veer or option of some kind?

Defensively, how big are they? IC's line is pretty massive so if Curry is undersized, it could get bad (Read: the Wick game). This offense has weapons all over the place.

Also regarding who would be favored in a IC-CState rematch: The answer is Ithaca. The two teams played two weeks ago (at that point anyway) in Cortland and Ithaca came away with a solid, if unspectacular victory with backups at two main positions. Cortland's recent success at IC would mean they wouldn't come in intimidated, but IC would have the confidence to know they'd beaten them once. While Cortland's offensive playcalling was strange and probably hurt them in the game, the defense had no answer for an Ithaca offense that is firing on all cylinders right now and gained 414 yards and averaged 6.3 yards a play. Maybe Cortland just had one of those games (Like IC had at SJF), but I would think, barring some other injuries in a 1st round game, Ithaca would come in as the favorite

XREDDRAGON77

Bomber,
I agree IC would be favored in round 2, but......IC had no answer to the Cortland run game as Cortland had no response to the pass game.  No idea why they stopped running, something they have done great all season.  A few tweaks here and there and maybe it's a game and not a monkey stomp.  I also don't see Plymouth runnning the ball real well, unless they are a triple option team.  Anything from the I will get squashed.
Taste It!

Bombers798891

Quote from: XREDDRAGON77 on November 17, 2008, 11:44:13 AM
Bomber,
I agree IC would be favored in round 2, but......IC had no answer to the Cortland run game as Cortland had no response to the pass game.  No idea why they stopped running, something they have done great all season.  A few tweaks here and there and maybe it's a game and not a monkey stomp.  I also don't see Plymouth runnning the ball real well, unless they are a triple option team.  Anything from the I will get squashed.

I agree...Cortland could run the ball on IC...the question I would have for a rematch though is this: Miles looked so bad--14-28, 3 INT, I FL--the Bombers may be able to key on the run more than they had originally. Cortland didn't even try a deep ball and didn't seem to have playmakers at WR. Almost no YAC for the WR's

Boxer7806

Bombers-

Curry has some good size on both lines, not excellent size like ithaca, but they are about 6-2 250 and up on the Oline... thier D line is a little bit smaller but they have some good size and one kid, a DT is a pretty good ball player with good size... i think #99... the philosphy at Curry is to get as many people as much playing time becuase that is how you improve so they do have multiple running backs they will use... thier main weapon on offense is thier qb van geisen... he throws for a ton of yards but has the tendency to throw picks... he doest spread it around too much and likes to throw to the two outside guys alot.. he is also a capable runner if need be...

Thier corners are not the biggest players but show some speed... Ithaca should be able to throw relatively easy with their athletes tho... their Linebackers are good but not excellent so we will see what happen... Ithaca should be able to put up some points on them...

Curry has a better offense but to keep them in the game they will need to control the clock... some teams have been able to run on Ithaca but with thier size and the power I tendency of Curry to run that could be difficult for them... it will take a miracle to win but curry could stay somewhat close if they have some success throwing mixing in the run and control the ball keeping Ithaca off the field

cstate19

Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2008, 11:55:36 AM
Quote from: XREDDRAGON77 on November 17, 2008, 11:44:13 AM
Bomber,
I agree IC would be favored in round 2, but......IC had no answer to the Cortland run game as Cortland had no response to the pass game.  No idea why they stopped running, something they have done great all season.  A few tweaks here and there and maybe it's a game and not a monkey stomp.  I also don't see Plymouth runnning the ball real well, unless they are a triple option team.  Anything from the I will get squashed.

I agree...Cortland could run the ball on IC...the question I would have for a rematch though is this: Miles looked so bad--14-28, 3 INT, I FL--the Bombers may be able to key on the run more than they had originally. Cortland didn't even try a deep ball and didn't seem to have playmakers at WR. Almost no YAC for the WR's


Excellent point on being able to key on the run.  The fact is that I highly doubt Miles lays the same egg.  If IC keys on the run (and there is no guarentee that will even work) it may make it easier for Miles to make plays and now you have both facets of the offense working. 

Of course IC is the favorite.  Anyone who says anything other wise is out of their mind.  The question would be by how much. 

clandfan

Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2008, 11:55:36 AM
Quote from: XREDDRAGON77 on November 17, 2008, 11:44:13 AM
Bomber,
I agree IC would be favored in round 2, but......IC had no answer to the Cortland run game as Cortland had no response to the pass game.  No idea why they stopped running, something they have done great all season.  A few tweaks here and there and maybe it's a game and not a monkey stomp.  I also don't see Plymouth runnning the ball real well, unless they are a triple option team.  Anything from the I will get squashed.

I agree...Cortland could run the ball on IC...the question I would have for a rematch though is this: Miles looked so bad--14-28, 3 INT, I FL--the Bombers may be able to key on the run more than they had originally. Cortland didn't even try a deep ball and didn't seem to have playmakers at WR. Almost no YAC for the WR's

Bombers...all I can say is that we have not seen that from Miles all year long.  Guaragno and Hajnos are both playmakers and we usually will not hesitate to throwing deep.  IC defense was good and props to Chier but his 3 picks were gift wrapped by Miles.  Jason should send him a thank you note.  If you key the run...you may actually be doing us a favor because I don't see that kind of game from Miles again.  If we do, I don't think that Cortland will hesitate now to change to Pitcher who is arguable a better QB but you don't replace a 2 yr. starter on an undefeated team when by all accounts, he's had a great year.

clandfan

Quote from: mel on November 16, 2008, 07:05:37 PM
I get it CState... believe me I get it.

My point is Cortland will have to tackle PSU 70 + times and that takes its toll on a bunch of guys in the front 7.  I do not see PSU winning in any manner but they will get their pound of flesh.   PSU's oline is very quick like a Springfield line.  The Corlanders will have to deal with alot of low blocks.

You missed my entire point. 

Mel, whatever your point...if you run the ball on CState 70 times....you lose.  If you are going to beat them it will be through the air.

mel

I do not know where I mentioned PSU beating Cortland.
I only mentioned their style of play.
The whole point was made in response to who would have an advantage in an IC v Cortland rematch in playoff round two.
That was all.