Top 25 rankings

[Pat Coleman]

Seriously, I'm only arguing in favor of HSU by default.  I didn't expect UMHB to really drop precipitously after such a close game against the #2 team.  It is worth pointing out, though, that UMHB now has two DIII losses and is still in the top 10.  Averett, for example, who has lost to only Mt. Union and Wesley--isn't even receiving votes in the poll!

Come on now, Josh, who did Averett beat? Isn't that apples and oranges to a UMHB team that has a win against someone currently in the Top 10?

Capital could very well have dropped below both UMHB and HSU. But then UMHB moves up a spot for losing. You'd certainly be upset by that as well.

[DutchFan2004]

The poll is a poll,

It does not take into the consideration of bias of the voters.  The logic that you state makes sense but I don't think it is used completely through with all the teams.  Whitworth comes to mind.  Who have they played?  They have not played a winning team yet and they are a top ten team?  It is an opinion of 25 informed yet bias people.  It will never be perfect because we as human's aren't.  It is what we have and right or wrong we will have to live with it. 

[Pat Coleman]

Thankfully with 25 people we can represent a bunch of conferences and eliminate the bias by spreading the ballots out across the country.

[Josh Bowerman]

I'm just sayin' that I'm sayin'.......aw, fhuggedaboudit.   

[Bill McCabe]

WELL SAID JOSH!    I couldn't have said it better myself.  I gave you a karma point for that.

[kickerdad]

Not sure I can say this right but I will try.

You get a team that has beat everyone in the conference. Yet you peg them because they haven't beaten anyone with a winning record. They don't have a choice in the matter as to who they play in the conference. They are not god and are unable to make everyone they play have a winning record. Why toss them to one side if they are winning. Just because the conference foes are weak, doesn't mean the winning team
is weak. I know they will have to prove themselves at some point in time.

Take Averett for example, the two out of conference teams they played are ranked # 1 and #3 (I think) this week. Everyone thought they were stupid to schedule those guys, but at least they had the B.... to get on the same field with those guys and give it a shot. I don't see where it has hurt them yet. Averett has won all their conference games thus far. Plus they beat Guildford who has knocked off some good teams in the ODAC conference as well (Bridgewater). They beat NCW who turned around and beat CNU whom everyone believed was the best in the conference and rated in the top 20.

At what point do you say OK, this team deserves some recongination, yet
because of their opponets records you shove them to one side and say
oh well.

Does Averett belong in the top 10, NO but they should be looked at somewhere in the top 30, until someone knocks them out again, and given credit for winning thus far within the conference.

Ask yourself this if Mount Union or UMHB was undefeated and their conference foes were as weak and didn't have winning records, would you still rank them #1 or would you knock them down to the bottom of the pile.   

[Mr. Ypsi]

kickerdad, nicely said.  Averett gets their chance for some respect this Saturday when they play @ CNU.  Win that game and the votes should start coming!

[DutchFan2004]

Pat,

I hope you didn't infer a negative post with my last post here.  I was just saying that the poll is an opinion.  With that being said when ever you get that there is going to be room of arguments. 

With 25 ballots you do spread the bias out.  Hopefully it does even out.  But with opinions there will always be bias was all I was saying.  I don't have glaring differences with the poll.  D3 does a great job of covering football.  And really reading Kmacks reasons and column explain a lot.  I really like it when he explains who he voted for and why gives me more insight to what the rest of the country is all about. 

[Pat Coleman]

No, that's OK, I didn't really tak it that way. Just wanted to put on the record that that is something which is on my mind when making up the voter pool.

[gordonmann]

Hm.

A hybrid UMHB-HSU team?  Mary-Hardin Simmons Cowsaders?  They would be pretty good.

For that matter, so would a Delaware Valley-Rowan team this year.  Del Val wide receivers, meet Mike Orihel.  They could be the Rowan Valley Agricultural Professors. 

Or we could combine Mount Union with..um..uh..well, themselves. 

[PA_wesleyfan]

And Orihel played his H.S. Football less than a quarter of a mile from Del Val at CB West. I still wonder how he has a N.J address....Maybe the same way most of CB Wests  championship players did...

[BDTartan]

I'm not complaining at all, especially with their weak schedule, but how many weeks now has Carnegie Mellon been floating around the 25 spot in numerous polls.

Like I said, I'm not complaining, I was just interested to see how long they've been hanging around that 26-30 spot but haven't cracked the top 25 yet.

[Pat Coleman]

History of CMU receiving votes in the D3football.com Top 25:

The numbers are year, week, "rank" and total points received.

2004    1    53    Carnegie Mellon    1
2006    2    50    Carnegie Mellon    2
2006    3    50    Carnegie Mellon    3
2006    4    39    Carnegie Mellon    5
2006    5    37    Carnegie Mellon    6
2006    6    36    Carnegie Mellon    9
2006    7    34    Carnegie Mellon    15
2006    8    30    Carnegie Mellon    18
2006    9    27    Carnegie Mellon    32

[BDTartan]

Thanks Pat, I see they've garnered the most respect in recent years with a win at WUStL.  I know they've been hanging around the high 20's, low 30's in the AFCA poll for a couple weeks now.

[Eh-You]

Pat,
I hope you didn't infer a negative post with my last post here.  I was just saying that the poll is an opinion. 

Pat,
     I hope you do take this as a negative post (my karma isn't really an issue at this point) b/c I think its OK to disagree with the guru sometimes. I can't believe you called Averett out like that and didn't respond to what kickerdad said. And whoever said AU needs to beat CNU to start getting noticed is full of it b/c they WON THE LAST MATCHUP!
     Averett's won 9 USAC games in a row and 11 of its last 13 with losses to 2 of the top 5 teams in the country. For the HANDS DOWN best team in the conference to have to beat CNU again to even get a vote in the top 30 is crazy.
     Here's the deal - no playoff experience, no fans who have cool websites, and not enough posters on these boards with thousands of posts and a zillion karma rating who do columns and polls so Averett gets overlooked as the best team in VA.
     No biggie - Averett will do to the national poll just what they started doing to the regional fan poll - keep winning! Pat, come up with every excuse in the book, just make sure you make other VA teams beat "SOMEBODY" before earning your vote.