Top 25 rankings

[Pat Coleman]

Eh-you: A loss is a loss. A win is a win.
What is the Averett win that stacks up with UMHB's win against Hardin-Simmons? Do tell.

[Ron Boerger]

<<sound of crickets chirping>>

[K-Mack]

I'm not saying that either team isn't worthy of the top ten, but you lose, you should drop--and more than one spot (unless #2 beats #1 in the Stagg Bowl). 

Josh,
Looks like some other people have tackled this from some of the other angles, so all I wanted to say is this: I don't believe it's a function of the poll to "punish" teams for losing by requiring them to fall when they lose. Not all losses are the same, and as noted, not all weeks are the same. When the rest of the top 10 has a rough week, what can you do?

The poll's sole goal is to rank the 25 best teams in order each week. So if Capital gets crushed by Mount Union, but a voter doesn't feel confident that say ... Occidental ... would beat Capital, then he doesn't have to drop them behind that team. Maybe there's just a huge gap between No. 1 and No. 4.

Same for UMHB. When you play basically a coin-flip game with the consensus No. 2 team in the country and your defense shuts them out, you might even be able to argue that Mary Hardin-Baylor helped itself in the loss.

I have not read in detail this Averett stuff, but I can say this: Their best win is against 5-3 Guilford. If they beat CNU they will get some shine, but when you lose your opener 64-7 and you start out 0-2, it takes a while to gain enough momentum for people to notice. That's just a fact of the schedule you built and the size of Division III.

Also, contrary to someone's argument, being the best team in the ODAC or USAC is not very significant this season. Maybe if you beat CNU you can extrapolate that to being as good as the Texas teams, but perhaps Averett caught a whiff of the OAC's strength in that Mount Union game.

[Eh-You]

I have not read in detail this Averett stuff, but I can say this: Their best win is against 5-3 Guilford. If they beat CNU they will get some shine, but when you lose your opener 64-7 and you start out 0-2, it takes a while to gain enough momentum for people to notice. That's just a fact of the schedule you built and the size of Division III.

Also, contrary to someone's argument, being the best team in the ODAC or USAC is not very significant this season. Maybe if you beat CNU you can extrapolate that to being as good as the Texas teams, but perhaps Averett caught a whiff of the OAC's strength in that Mount Union game.

Now that is a good post. Disagreement, facts, no smart remarks

Eh-you: A loss is a loss. A win is a win.
What is the Averett win that stacks up with UMHB's win against Hardin-Simmons? Do tell.

and nothing that screams "I'm the guru, and you are all idiots".

Kickerdad, in the event you say anything relevant to Averett 2006 let me know, ok?

Thanks K for your insight - and 4 the record I wasn't saying AU is anywhere near as good as the Texas teams.

Pat - not sure what post you were reading, but how about responding to any point I tried to make and not acting like I said something I didn't. In reference to UMHB, here is what I said (for the second time)- try to follow the logic
1. Averett @ Wesley was an 11 point game until 3:00 left.
2. Averett should get a little bit of credit for a decent game @Wesley. Saying otherwise would be saying "a loss is a loss"
3. If a loss is a loss than UMHB can't get credit for the CNU or UW-W games

At no time did I mention that AU had a win that compared to that of UMHB win against Hardin Simmons - They DON'T

Do tell.

(I am telling) and AU is not ready to be in the same conversation with them. How about reread my post and instead of shooting your mouth off like some hotshot, respond to a point I actually made - Why does AU not get the same respect that other teams in its area previously got, FROM YOU, until falling flat on their faces?

[Pat Coleman]

Because Averett has yet to do anything ever in its history as a football program to merit a spot in the Top 25, that's why. If you ever do something, it gains you a little bit of benefit of the doubt in the future.

Salisbury played a much more decent game against Wesley than Averett did, and they are also not in the Top 25. It's not who you lost to, it's who you beat.

I already made the point that beating CNU would get Averett a little run, but I guess you weren't interested in hearing it from me.

Being down 11 with 4:00 to go against Wesley (I checked the box score) is not the accomplishment you make it out to be. At that point you weren't driving with a shot to tie, you were down by two scores and you didn't even have the ball. You keep holding this stat up as if it's some magic combination, when it really just isn't. I'm sorry. And the final four minutes count, too. The NCAA has already shortened the games enough as it is -- you don't get to shorten them further by calling 56 minutes a game.

[Pat Coleman]

The Massey Ratings, a computer ranking untouched by human hands and not subject to bias, puts Averett at 51. Only 37 teams received votes this week.

[kickerdad]

Pat C. - thanks for your explanation to En You on the last two post. I personally like to see you guys at D3Football.Com respond in that tone
and fashion (at least showing that you have a little compassion) rather than your sharpe responses (previous to me and En You) that made it appear you could care less about Averett and you wanted to be a Smart
A__.

We totaly respect your knowledge and your insight but when you respond
in the fashion as you did earlier yesterday and day before, then you just
create hate and discontent among your followers. We look to you guys
for the truth and insite. We sometimes don't want to agree with what you
tell us, but it certainly is easier to swaller when you don't come across
like jerks.

Again, thanks for all you guys do and keep up the good work. I left you a
question on the ODAC Board when you have time.

[Bob.Gregg]

Why is it:

D-IA can have updated polls up before the Sunday paper goes to press?

D-II can have updated polls (Regional Rankings) in time for the area D-II schools to email me Sunday afternoon about where their teams are now listed?

D-III can't get them (Regional Rankings) before NOON on WEDNESDAY???

Can somebody tell me, please?

[Pat Coleman]

Pat C. - thanks for your explanation to En You on the last two post. I personally like to see you guys at D3Football.Com respond in that tone
and fashion (at least showing that you have a little compassion) rather than your sharpe responses (previous to me and En You) that made it appear you could care less about Averett and you wanted to be a Smart
A__.

I appreciate your response. It's much preferred to the attitude EY has shown all over the message board this fall.

What goes around, comes around.

[Ralph Turner]

Why is it:

D-IA can have updated polls up before the Sunday paper goes to press?

D-II can have updated polls (Regional Rankings) in time for the area D-II schools to email me Sunday afternoon about where their teams are now listed?

D-III can't get them (Regional Rankings) before NOON on WEDNESDAY???

Can somebody tell me, please?

The most knowledgeable poll on D3 is usually on the web page by 8:00 pm EST every Sunday!

And "kid" has the South Region Fan's Poll on the Message board ASAP!

[Bob.Gregg]

Ralphy boy, pal of mine---

You KNOW I wasn't referring to D-3 Football.com, the MECCA of the D-3 World.

I'm all over the D-3 Top 25 when it breaks.

I'm all over the Fan Poll for the South.

But, my inquiry was about the workings of the NCAA Regional Rankings, that little Official Poll thing.

[Josh Bowerman]

Why is it:

D-IA can have updated polls up before the Sunday paper goes to press?

D-II can have updated polls (Regional Rankings) in time for the area D-II schools to email me Sunday afternoon about where their teams are now listed?

D-III can't get them (Regional Rankings) before NOON on WEDNESDAY???

Can somebody tell me, please?

Sure, Bob.  It's probably like this:

Sunday:  Pollsters vote.  Carrier pigeons dispatched (that's all the budget the AA allocates to DIII postage matters).

Monday:  Carrier pigeons arrive by early evening in Indianapolis after overnight stay in Poughkeepsie and a couple of lunch/restroom layovers in Chicago.  Isn't the hub-and-spokes system grand?

Tuesday:  NCAA interns scrape carrier pigeon poo accumulated overnight off documents for first half day, then hang votes outside on clothesline to dry and de-odor overnight.

Wednesday:  Votes tallied to ensure accuracy by 27 AA bureaucrats before Miles Brand signs off on releasing the data.  Brand is overheard asking "now what poll is this again?"  Votes are released online by erstwhile intern hoping to rid the office of poo smelling paper votes.

[Pat Coleman]

It puzzles me a little, too. The regional committee conference call is Monday, national committee is Tuesday. Why can't they release them on Tuesday?

[Bob.Gregg]

And if they're REGIONAL rankings, why can't they release them MONDAY!@!@!@!@!@!

[Pat Coleman]

Because the national committee goes over them in their Tuesday morning call. But why not Tuesday, great question.